E36M3 #228

Tuesday, June 13, 2000 22:23:29

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#1. RE: [E36M3] heresy? - from Jim Bassett
#2. Re: [E36M3] Calculating the negative impact of warm air temps - from Dave Lehmann
#3. [E36M3] heresy? - from Stan Shaw III
#4. Re: [E36M3] heresy? - from Sean Hester
#5. RE: [E36M3] heresy? - from Sean Hester
#6. Re: [E36M3] heresy? - from Sean Hester
#7. WTB: CD changer for 96 M3 - from Peter Chang
#8. Re: [E36M3] heresy? - from Joe Dyer
#9. Re: [E36M3] Calculating the negative impact of warm air temps - from Paul Elliott
#10. JTD Rear shock mount - from Junaidi Irwan

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#1. RE: [E36M3] heresy? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:29:50 -0700 From: "Jim Bassett" <jbassett@mayannetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] heresy? > so i ask... if you were rich enough and had enough garage space > for as many > cars as you wanted. would you use your M3 to drive to work and to get > groceries and to move boxes? Hmm, I'd answer yes, but then I have a 4-door M3 :-) I drive to work daily in it (100 miles RT - via Sunol Grade for you SF Bay Area-types). Doing the grocery shopping while Kim is home with Nikolas has been fine - the trunk is more than adequate for the 4-5 bags o' groceries. And when we most recently moved, I did load some boxes, but mostly the computer & stereo equipment in it. (For big moving chores, I rent a truck). About the only thing on your rental car list, Sean, that my car doesn't have is an automatic tranny. The stuff I do on a *daily* basis (moving is NOT one of 'em :-)), I can't image doing in another car. And come the weekend (or this Thursday :-)), I can load the four track tires in the back seat, head to the track, and fun chasing down & passing less "mundane" cars <BFG>. And to top it off, Nikolas falls asleep in it very easily :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - a true "sport" utility vehicle? (Hey, you define "sport" your way, and I'll define it mine :-))

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Calculating the negative impact of warm air temps - from Dave Lehmann
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:27:28 -0400 From: "Dave Lehmann" <bmwracefan@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Calculating the negative impact of warm air temps Most Dinan installers of the cold air intake cut a U shape hole in the brake duct and push the flap down to pick up air from that source. This flap is usually held down by a piece of Z shaped fabricated metal about 3/8 inch across. The flap is pushed down about 2 inches. The piece of Z shaped metal is held in place by 2 pop rivets. I don't think it affects the brake cooling by any measurable per cent. Works well on my car. Dave

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#3. [E36M3] heresy? - from Stan Shaw III
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:44:11 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw III" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: [E36M3] heresy? I would/do own a SUV for grocery shopping. I would/do own a M3 for normal daily driving. I would/do own other vehicles for other specialized purposes. Of course if I migrate my M3 to a track car, it will likely no longer be daily car, and I will find something else to fill that slot. After all, insurance companies do give multiple car discounts (though not nearly enough). My current assortment: '80 Porsche 928S - fun car, migrating to track/race car. '87 Jeep Wrangler - winter plowing, off road fun, sunny day convertible. '96 BMW M3 - daily car, migrating to track/race car slowly. '97 Explorer - wifes car, tow vehicle, grocery hauler '99 Yamaha R1 - adrenalen rush (just sold to pay for track/race intentions '88-89 Porsche 944 Turbo S - wife's alternate vehicle (to be acquired for her when I take the Explorer to tow with!) Regards, Stan Shaw Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0407 Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net http://www.excell.net/

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#4. Re: [E36M3] heresy? - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:31:19 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] heresy? the one option my M3 does have is AC. thank god. interior comfort isn't something i find i like more in "bigger, cushier" cars. that interior comfort (great seats, $5000 stereo, good climate control) is one of the reasons i've kept this car so long. it's the driving that's getting to me. the steering feel is stiffer, the car pulls on seattle's lame roads (wide tires and lots of camber), the gear ratios are short. it's just more work. on the way to work today (in the taurus) i didn't even thing about driving. i got in, and suddenly i was at work. i liked that. i got the M3 because it seemed a good compromise between "race car" and "regular car". and as far as i know, it's just about the best version of that. but 5 years later, i think that's a goal that i just don't want anymore. i want a "race car" for racing (which may or not be my M3) and a "regular car" (which WON'T be my M3) for regular life. i know it's off topic, (so reply privately i suppose) but does anyone have any opinions on good "regular cars"? i've never shopped for one. after my parent's hand me downs stopped i've bought all sports cars. thanks. >From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> >Reply-To: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> >To: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com>, "E36M3" <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] heresy? >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:19:18 -0400 > >The answer to this is no. It would suck driving around in 90 degree >weather >without A/C here in Ga. Especially in rush hour traffic and not a breeze >blowing. My girlfriend still laughs at me when she thinks about the first >time I brought the car home. It was in July and hot as hell. I pull in >her >driveway to show of my new beauty, get out, and she starts dying laughing. >I didn't get until I looked down and could see that I sweated through my >shirt where the seatbelts had been. For some reason should did not want to >ride in the car that day. Plus she did not want to be seen in a car with >some ugly stickers on it. Oh well she loves to ride in it on the track >though. > >Seth Thomas >www.m3power.com >www.m3ltw.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sean Hester <seanh_race@hotmail.com> >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:52 PM >Subject: [E36M3] heresy? > > > > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:44:26 PDT > > From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> > > Subject: [E36M3] heresy? > > > > since my car (95 M3) is in the shop so much (this time it's the 4th >VANOS > > and 3rd thermostat housing in a year. THANK GOD they both broke at the >same > > time and saved me a trip) i get to drive alot of rental cars. and the >more > > i drive rental cars, the more i like them. > > > > - they have cruise control. > > - they have sunroofs. > > - they have automatic transmissions. > > - they have 4 doors. > > - they can hold alot of stuff (i'm moving this week and i'm actually >stoked > > that i have a ford taurus for a few days with it's relatively HUGE cargo > > capacity to move boxes) > > - they can hold 4-5 people. > > - they don't pull to follow every road imperfection. > > - they don't give me a headache when i hit a pothole. > > - they don't require me going over speedbumps one wheel at a time. > > - they don't scrape on curbs. > > - they don't require monthly service. ;-P > > > > > > now... alot of those things could be had in a different M3. but some >of > > them can't. so i'm left wondering... > > > > am i getting old or something? driving my rental car around town is SO >MUCH > > easier. > > > > now... next time i go to the track, or on a fun mountain jaunt on a >sunny > > day i'll appreciate my M3. but as a daily driver? i'm starting to >wonder. > > > > when (not if) i get a dedicated track car (rollcage, harness, racing >seat, > > the works...) i'm wondering if i want an M3 for a daily driver. maybe >i'll > > keep the M3 for weekend (non track) driving, and get a commuter car? > > dunno... > > > > so i ask... if you were rich enough and had enough garage space for as >many > > cars as you wanted. would you use your M3 to drive to work and to get > > groceries and to move boxes? > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#5. RE: [E36M3] heresy? - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:37:19 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] heresy? >About the only thing on your rental car list, Sean, that my car doesn't >have >is an automatic tranny. i want one of those! an M3 that doesn't give me headaches when i hit potholes, one that has enough ground clearance to not hit every parking lot curb, one who's wide tires don't follow the road so much the wheel flies from my hands unless i'm gripping it hard enough. my M3 has a mostly stock suspension. (not lowered or stiffened) i have 3 braces, (strut, xbrace, rear strut) and lots of negative camber though. maybe if i remove those things i'll get closer to my goal. but i'll still have problems getting into my driveway without scraping the bottom, and will still scrape the airdam every time i pull into a parking spot nose first... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#6. Re: [E36M3] heresy? - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:47:42 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] heresy? there's enough difference between a porsche 928 and an M3 for them to be "different"? i'd always put them in the same class. (fun cars) maybe i'm just having a wierd week and am bitter about my M3 falling apart. but driving to work today, with cruise control on, transmission in drive, drink in a cup holder, not looking for potholes i had to avoid for fear of bending wheels and knocking teeth out, parking head first into a stall with no fear of scraping the airdam made me happy. tomorrow (assuming they gat my car together in only two days) i'll have to be cluthing, not cruise controlling, avoiding potholes, backing into parking spots, and holding (spilling actually) my drink between my legs. what i'm trying to figure is "what makes an M3 a good commuter car?" sure i can win a stoplight drag or two. sure i can take the offramp fast. but... since i get my fill of that at the racetrack, i'm wondering if i need that ability for commuting. and if it's worth all the hassles to have it. when i DIDN'T go to the racetrack once a week, i NEEDED the ability to drive around town fast. ;-) now, i'm not so sure. >From: "Stan Shaw III" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> >Reply-To: "Stan Shaw III" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> >Subject: [E36M3] heresy? >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:42:50 -0500 > >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:44:11 -0400 >From: "Stan Shaw III" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> >Subject: [E36M3] heresy? > >I would/do own a SUV for grocery shopping. >I would/do own a M3 for normal daily driving. >I would/do own other vehicles for other specialized purposes. > >Of course if I migrate my M3 to a track car, it will likely no longer be >daily car, and I will find something else to fill that slot. After all, >insurance companies do give multiple car discounts (though not nearly >enough). > >My current assortment: >'80 Porsche 928S - fun car, migrating to track/race car. >'87 Jeep Wrangler - winter plowing, off road fun, sunny day convertible. >'96 BMW M3 - daily car, migrating to track/race car slowly. >'97 Explorer - wifes car, tow vehicle, grocery hauler >'99 Yamaha R1 - adrenalen rush (just sold to pay for track/race intentions >'88-89 Porsche 944 Turbo S - wife's alternate vehicle (to be acquired for >her when I take the Explorer to tow with!) > >Regards, >Stan Shaw Excell.Net >Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0407 >Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net http://www.excell.net/ > > > > >************************************************************* >List Commands >UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >************************************************************* > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#7. WTB: CD changer for 96 M3 - from Peter Chang
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:08:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Chang <shangpchang@yahoo.com> Subject: WTB: CD changer for 96 M3 email me if you have one for sale. thanx! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

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#8. Re: [E36M3] heresy? - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:00:56 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] heresy? Jim, Yes you DO have fun commuting in traffic! I couldn't keep up with you on the way back from the Autocross day before yesterday. Of course you found better lanes to switch into than I! And I certainly agree - the M3 is a perfect all-purpose vehicle, for weekend fun and weekday ass-hauling! Joe Dyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Bassett <jbassett@mayannetworks.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [E36M3] heresy? > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:29:50 -0700 > From: "Jim Bassett" <jbassett@mayannetworks.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] heresy? > > > so i ask... if you were rich enough and had enough garage space > > for as many > > cars as you wanted. would you use your M3 to drive to work and to get > > groceries and to move boxes? > > Hmm, I'd answer yes, but then I have a 4-door M3 :-) > > I drive to work daily in it (100 miles RT - via Sunol Grade for you SF Bay > Area-types). Doing the grocery shopping while Kim is home with Nikolas has > been fine - the trunk is more than adequate for the 4-5 bags o' groceries. > And when we most recently moved, I did load some boxes, but mostly the > computer & stereo equipment in it. (For big moving chores, I rent a truck). > > About the only thing on your rental car list, Sean, that my car doesn't have > is an automatic tranny. > > The stuff I do on a *daily* basis (moving is NOT one of 'em :-)), I can't > image doing in another car. And come the weekend (or this Thursday :-)), I > can load the four track tires in the back seat, head to the track, and fun > chasing down & passing less "mundane" cars <BFG>. > > And to top it off, Nikolas falls asleep in it very easily :-) > > Cheers, > Jim Bassett > 1998 M3/4 - a true "sport" utility vehicle? (Hey, you define "sport" your > way, and I'll define it mine :-)) > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > >

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Calculating the negative impact of warm air temps - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:30:22 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Calculating the negative impact of warm air temps Hi Dave, That's very interesting...I have a copy of the installation instructions from Dinan, and nowhere is there any mention of providing this kind of access to the filter...Moreover, I called Eric in tech support at Dinan, and he was unaware of any such provision...So, I suspect that its a trick that some dealers have learned, but it is far from universally applied, and not officially supported by Dinan. This is particularly strange considering that from what I've heard, part of the Dinan installation when they were doing the Powerdynes, was to cut a 3X5 inch rectangle into the bumper in front of the filter. So, its not like they're unaware of the restriction which exists without it. I think my current ducting provides as much air as it can use, but its interesting to see how others have approached the situation. What my particular dealer did with the initial installation was to make the cut into the brake duct right where the imprinted template hole exists, but with no flap. This puts it under the filter, and only slightly forward. For me, this was not an ideal location, which is why I did another one, but completely in front, so the duct hose could go through, and up toward the filter. Where there's a will there's a way! thanks. _____________________________ Paul Elliott '99 Alpine White M3; <15000 mi; Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage II Supercharger -----Original Message----- From: Dave Lehmann <bmwracefan@hotmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com>; pelliott@rcn.com <pelliott@rcn.com> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Calculating the negative impact of warm air temps >Most Dinan installers of the cold air intake cut a U shape hole in the brake >duct and push the flap down to pick up air from that source. This flap is >usually held down by a piece of Z shaped fabricated metal about 3/8 inch >across. The flap is pushed down about 2 inches. The piece of Z shaped >metal is held in place by 2 pop rivets. I don't think it affects the brake >cooling by any measurable per cent. Works well on my car. > >Dave

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#10. JTD Rear shock mount - from Junaidi Irwan
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Date: 13 Jun 00 22:19:07 CDT From: Junaidi Irwan <junaidi.irwan@usa.net> Subject: JTD Rear shock mount M3ers, I am sorry if this topic has been beaten to death, however I am at the point that I need to change the rear shock mount of my car. My car is using the H&R/Bilstein combo. It is making the infamous thumping/clunking noise when I make a turn. I ordered the JTD rear shock mounts from Turner Motorsport. It is supposed to come with 2 different kind of bushings: one for the street and one for the track. My question is, has anyone installed these mounts? What is the thing that I need to be aware of before installing the mounts? Will it affect the ride significantly? Will the shock mounts be making any noises? Thanks a lot beforehand for any responses - Junaidi - 95 M3 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1

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