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#1. RE: [E36M3] Re: fire extinguisher mount - from Wentz, Don
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:24:44 -0700 From: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: fire extinguisher mount Chip, just saw a fire extinguisher WITH a metal bracket for 29.95 in the Racers Wholesale catalog. 2 choices of material too. I found a used metal bracket at a fire extinguisher shop for 7 bucks a couple of weeks ago, none of the units in the stores that I went to had metal brackets. dw 95 M3
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#2.Dunlop 8080E 225/45R17s... - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: <FS> Dunlop 8080E 225/45R17s... Hey guys. Still no buyers so I decided to split them up and put them up for auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=359864934&r=0&t=0 Thanks, Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
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#3. Re: : [E36M3] Re: 0-60 times - from david tow
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:33:12 PDT From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: : [E36M3] Re: 0-60 times Based on my limited memory, the M Roadster and the coupe are roughly 200 to 400 pounds lighter than a M3... David >From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> > >Yea, but all of these factors vary....What doesnt vary is the fact that >Always, the M roadster is the fastest, followed by the M coupe, followed by >the M3...Turn to the back of all the car mags, and see for yourself... >Let's face it....The engine variations, temps, humidity, and track >conditions cant Always favor the cars in that order! Must be somethin' >else. Perhaps Jim put his finger on it. ie, maybe the different exhaust >config allows greater HP than BMW publishes. That could certainly account >for it, and it makes sense...Ataway Jim! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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#4. RE: 0-60 - from david tow
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:49:22 PDT From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: 0-60 Thanks for the additional numbers! Yeah, I was a little surprised to see the LTW version's numbers being so close to the regular coupe, which is at least 250 TO 300 pounds heavier. David Tow ----------------------------- David, You forgot about the LTW that C&D tested at 5.3/13.9! If anyone cares, here is a repost of some other magazine test data that I dug up and posted to the list in Jan of '99. > > Autoweek - '95 M3 Coupe > 0-60: 6.2 sec > 1/4 mile: 14.6 sec @ 97.0 mph > > Road & Track - '95 M3 Coupe > 0-60: 6.0 sec > 1/4 mile: 14.6 sec @ 96.0 mph > > MotorTrend - '95 M3 Coupe > 0-60: 6.2 sec > 1/4 mile: 14.6 sec @ 97.0 mph > > Car & Driver - '95 M3 Coupe (first test) > 0-60: 5.6 sec > 1/4 mile: 14.3 sec @ 98.0 mph > > Car & Driver - '95 M3 Coupe (second test for long term car) > 0-60: 5.5 sec > 1/4 mile: 14.2 sec @ 98.0 mph > > MotorTrend - '95 M3 Lightweight Coupe > 0-60: 5.3 sec > 1/4 mile: 13.9 sec @ 99.6 mph > > MotorTrend - '97 M3 Sedan > 0-60: 5.5 sec > 1/4 mile: 14.0 sec @ 99.2 mph > > Car & Driver - '97 M3 Coupe > 0-60: 5.5 sec > 1/4 mile: 14.0 sec @ 99.0 mph ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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#5. Re: BMW at Le Mans - from Roy Kao
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:50:52 EDT From: "Roy Kao" <bimmerphile@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: BMW at Le Mans I'll have to throw my $.02 behind Hunter's comment. I am as big a fan as any of BMW's engineering prowess but I have to tip my hat to Honda as possessing excellent technical design abilities. Though I would probably never get the S2000, it blows me away that they've wrung 240 bhp out of that 2.0 litre engine; even if it makes relatively far less torque. As well, you wouldn't have to look farther than an NSX, waaay too overpriced at the current rate, for a nonetheless excellent design study. The NSX may not have had the soul of a Ferrari, but it sure possessed the right engineering and technical design pedigrees. It'll be very interesting to see how F1 technologies will trickle down into their automobiles between the two companies now that BMW and Honda have returned. >Honda makes darn good engines. Darn good. Their >tolerances are generally accepted as the best in the >industry. They used their F1 program as a training >ground for their young engineers, so as to instill >the right frame of mind. (What's the redline on the >GS-R again?) And Honda are coming baaaaaack... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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#6. Re: : [E36M3] Re: 0-60 times - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:13:58 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: Re: : [E36M3] Re: 0-60 times Well David , not according to BMW. Brochure unlaiden weights: M3: 3175 M Cpe: 3131 M roadster: 3086 I dont think that less than 100 lbs between the 3 could account for the 5 - 7/10 second usually found among them. Moreover, the M3 has a drag coefficient of .32, while the Cpe has .37 and the roadster has a whopping .42! Makes it even harder to explain the advantage attained by the latter two! I think Jim has pointed at about the only explanation that makes any sense. _____________________________ Paul Elliott '99 Alpine White M3; <15000 mi; Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage II Supercharger -----Original Message----- From: david tow <david_tow@hotmail.com> To: pelliott@rcn.com <pelliott@rcn.com> Cc: e36m3@bmwmpower.com <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> Date: Monday, June 19, 2000 6:33 PM Subject: Re: : [E36M3] Re: 0-60 times >Based on my limited memory, the M Roadster and the coupe are roughly 200 to >400 pounds lighter than a M3... > >David > >>From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> >> >>Yea, but all of these factors vary....What doesnt vary is the fact that >>Always, the M roadster is the fastest, followed by the M coupe, followed by >>the M3...Turn to the back of all the car mags, and see for yourself... >>Let's face it....The engine variations, temps, humidity, and track >>conditions cant Always favor the cars in that order! Must be somethin' >>else. Perhaps Jim put his finger on it. ie, maybe the different exhaust >>config allows greater HP than BMW publishes. That could certainly account >>for it, and it makes sense...Ataway Jim! >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Fire extinguisher mount - from Huntley Parker
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:32:58 -0700 From: "Huntley Parker" <hparker@gotsavings.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fire extinguisher mount Scott, Chip, and everyone, I've been lurking here for a month or so and now have something to contribute. In preparation for driving with the Shelby Club at Laguna Seca on Sunday with fellow listers Jim Bassett and Donna Seeley, I needed to install a fire extinguisher in my '97 with manual sport seats. I found Chip's excellent fabrication instructions and ventured boldly forth to the hardware store to procure the necessary items. Three or four hours later (with several breaks to help Jim and Donna install her E30 rollcage) I had a very functional fire extinguisher mount. While I appreciate Chip's instructions and they worked out fine, if I had to do it over again I'd just buy the bracket. It was time consuming finding the correct parts, there was some trial and error in fitment, and I ended up cutting my finger on the sheet metal (as I knew I would, which is why I bought the work gloves which I wasn't wearing when it happened). I spent about $17 on parts. The factory bracket is available for $27 (http://www.bekkers.com/details.php3?BMWFireExtinguisher). On the plus side, I have a much better understanding of the underside of the driver's seat and some recovered spare change. By the way, Chip; if you or anyone else is interested I've found a source in San Francisco for a 2.5 lb. halon extinguisher that comes with a metal bracket that can be easily affixed to the seat mount and costs $45 + $10 shipping. No messy dry chemical residue. :) You can see it at http://www.h3r.com/prodav.htm, model RT A1200. Great to be on the list, it's a terrific group. -Huntley Parker 1997 M3/2 with goodies ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Mitchell" <chipm@arches.uga.edu> > > I tend to consider myself "frugal" when it comes to paying $30 for a bent up > piece of metal, too. A couple of months ago, I spent some time in the > basement creating my own fire extinguisher mount, which seems to be a > reasonable replacement for the factory one. I ended up not using it after > doing a little research into the effects of dry-chemical extinguishers when > used in cars, so the writeup never got to the picture stage. > > You can, however, find basic instructions at > http://www.arches.uga.edu/~chipm/e36fire.htm > > Hope it helps. Feel free to send additions or advice! > > Chip Mitchell
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Re: Fire extinguisher mount - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:10:51 -0700 From: "Jim Bassett" <jbassett@mayannetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Fire extinguisher mount > I've been lurking here for a month or so and now have something to > contribute. Welcome, Huntley. :-) > While I appreciate Chip's instructions and they worked out fine, > if I had to > do it over again I'd just buy the bracket. It was time consuming finding > the correct parts, there was some trial and error in fitment, and And in this corner, Jim, who installed the factory bracket & extinguisher. Sunday before the event. In my garage. At 4:45AM. Before my first cup of coffee, on my way to meet Huntley & Donna for breakfast. Elasped time, 7 min. (Yes, I'm bragging :-) But it truly was that easy. And this is NOT meant to "dis" the DIY approach; in this case, spending the money just seemed easier. IMO, YMMV, yadda^3.) But, Chip, I will take a bit of exception to your description of the BMW mount as a "bent up piece of sheet metal". I don't know what you usually refer to as "sheet metal", but the BMW bracket most certainly is NOT sheet metal. It is slightly smaller gauge steel than is used for the seat rails - about 1/8" thick. Hardly what I'd call "sheet metal". (This is NOT a personal attack, flame, etc. Merely my view on the subject. I'm actually impressed that you took the time & effort to come up with an alternative solution. I'm just nit-picking a bit, but also what to make sure that others don't expect that the BMW version also uses 22 or 18 ga. sheet metal, as your instructions allude). Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4
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#9. Re: : [E36M3] Re: 0-60 times - from david tow
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:25:38 PDT From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: : [E36M3] Re: 0-60 times Hmmm, point well taken, Paul. We really should give the MZ3's exhaust a closer look... Will a MZ3 exhaust system fit the M3? David Tow >From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> >To: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> >CC: <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> >Subject: Re: : [E36M3] Re: 0-60 times >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:13:58 -0400 > >Well David , not according to BMW. Brochure unlaiden weights: > >M3: 3175 >M Cpe: 3131 >M roadster: 3086 > >I dont think that less than 100 lbs between the 3 could account for the 5 - >7/10 second usually found among them. > >Moreover, the M3 has a drag coefficient of .32, while the Cpe has .37 and >the roadster has a whopping .42! Makes it even harder to explain the >advantage attained by the latter two! > >I think Jim has pointed at about the only explanation that makes any sense. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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#10. Formula One technology in production; was M3 at LeMans - from bobstoll
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:36:42 -0500 From: bobstoll <bobstoll@mediaone.net> Subject: Formula One technology in production; was M3 at LeMans In racing, cost ($) is not an objective. In production, $ (profit) is Job 1. I believe Saab used COP (Coil-On-Plug) in the mid 80's. Just my $0.02 Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Kind Regards, Bob -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:47:09 -0400 From: Skip Bogard <skip.bogard@alumni.duke.edu> Subject: M3 at LeMans > Sure, we'll never really see Formula One technology in > the M3. Isn't coil over spark plug technology straight outta F1? Someone told me it was. Ya gotta love popping the hood with friends to play "Find the spark plug wires." It's surprising how many people have never seen such technology. - Skip