E36M3 #254

Tuesday, June 20, 2000 03:10:56

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 lower control arm ball joint. - from Jim Powell
#2. RE: [E36M3] E36 M3 lower control arm ball joint. - from MDadgar@handspring.com
#3. RE: [E36M3] M Roadster wheels - from Sean Ganess
#4. Extinguisher mount COMPLETE - from Sf944@aol.com
#5. Re: : [E36M3] Re: 0-60 times - from Rex Tener
#6. RE: [E36M3] M Roadster wheels - from Chester Wong
#7. Re: [E36M3] Wheel question - from Donna Seeley
#8. Re:Fire extinguisher mount - from Chip Mitchell
#9. Re: [E36M3] Re:Fire extinguisher mount - from Jim Bassett
#10. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 #252 - from Hunter Johnson

-------------------- 1 --------------------

#1. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 lower control arm ball joint. - from Jim Powell
Top
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:29:20 -0700 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 lower control arm ball joint. The E30 pieces are non-stock and cost more. Therefore they are required. Go ahead David. You have our permission to spend the money :) Jim "Holeman, David" wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:55:52 -0500 > From: "Holeman, David" <david.holeman@viaticus.com> > Subject: E36 M3 lower control arm ball joint. > > Hi, > > The ball joint near the bottom of front lower control arm in my 95M3 is > loose. You can pull the rotor at 3 and 9 and see it slipping around. My > questions is this: Can you pull the ball joint and replace it or do you > need a new assembly. If I need a new assembly I know that you can use the > aluminum control arms from an E30 M3 (#31-12-1-130-823 and #31-12-1-130-824) > does anyone have any direct experience with this? Please let me know as the > car is up on the lift today! > David Holeman > www.racepad.com > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************

Reply to: Jim Powell

Top

-------------------- 2 --------------------

#2. RE: [E36M3] E36 M3 lower control arm ball joint. - from MDadgar@handspring.com
Top
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:32:30 -0700 From: MDadgar@handspring.com Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3 lower control arm ball joint. Not to mention that Steve D. carries the aluminum control arms. And they are truly beautiful to look at. That about locks up the rest of the UUC Requirements. Hey, Steve, INCOMING! - Mark '95 M3 '97 528i 5-spd '88 M3, Hennarot ---- Mark Dadgar - Product Manager, Accessories (650) 230-5037 voice - (650) 230-2100 fax mdadgar@handspring.com - Handspring, Inc. "wide awake on the edge of the world" - Marillion Check out Visor at www.handspring.com! > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Powell [mailto:jsp98m3@home.com] > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 6:30 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 lower control arm ball joint. > > > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:29:20 -0700 > From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 lower control arm ball joint. > > The E30 pieces are non-stock and cost more. Therefore they > are required. Go > ahead David. You have our permission to spend the money :) > > Jim > > "Holeman, David" wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:55:52 -0500 > > From: "Holeman, David" <david.holeman@viaticus.com> > > Subject: E36 M3 lower control arm ball joint. > > > > Hi, > > > > The ball joint near the bottom of front lower control arm > in my 95M3 is > > loose. You can pull the rotor at 3 and 9 and see it > slipping around. My > > questions is this: Can you pull the ball joint and replace > it or do you > > need a new assembly. If I need a new assembly I know that > you can use the > > aluminum control arms from an E30 M3 (#31-12-1-130-823 and > #31-12-1-130-824) > > does anyone have any direct experience with this? Please > let me know as the > > car is up on the lift today! > > David Holeman > > www.racepad.com > > > > ************************************************************* > > List Commands > > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the > mailing list. > > ************************************************************* > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the > mailing list. > ************************************************************* > >

Reply to:

Top

-------------------- 3 --------------------

#3. RE: [E36M3] M Roadster wheels - from Sean Ganess
Top
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:57:26 -0400 From: Sean Ganess <Sean.Ganess@lostcluster.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] M Roadster wheels A shame... This looks like a steal: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=359347061& r=0&t=0 -----Original Message----- From: Ben Liaw [mailto:ben@shortshifter.com] the fronts will fit all around. the rear will not. btdt. ben liaw ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sean Ganess <Sean.Ganess@lostcluster.net> > > Will the stock M Roadster wheels fit on a M3? These are the five spoke > wheels 17x7.5 front and 17x9 rear (not 8.5). >

Reply to: Sean Ganess

Top

-------------------- 4 --------------------

#4. Extinguisher mount COMPLETE - from Sf944@aol.com
Top
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:32:47 EDT From: Sf944@aol.com Subject: Extinguisher mount COMPLETE Thanks to Peter, Chip, and others for the input. Time being of the essence, combined with me THINKING I'm more crafty than I acutally am, I endeavored to produce my own Fire Extinguisher mount yesterday. I'm happy to report that the job is complete and my fingers are still intact. For those that are interested, the end result is very stable, looks OK, and most important, was CHEAP. Home Depot was the source for the following: Kiddie BC extinguisher $9.98 Kiddie metal mount 4.98 2 pieces of strapping (found in plumbing section, it's those bendable aluminum or thin steel straps with the holes in 'em) $0.99 each 1 "door plate" (the roughly 12" by 4" thing you push on when opening a swinging door) $4.99 fasteners $1.69 Total cost, including extinguisher: Under $25.00 I bent the strapping (folded it over on itself to form an L shape) and attached one end of each to the front seat bolts (manual Vader seats), and met the other ends of each in the middle and attached to the underside of the door plate. The metal extinguisher bracket is attached on to the door plate. I rounded all the rough edges with a Dremel and a bench grinder. Someday when I have more time, I may smooth the edges a little more, and paint the strapping black for a more finished look In the meantime, it's solid and functional, and comes out as easily as the 2 seat bolts. CAUTION: seat travel will be limited by the length of the strapping (longer strapping will yield more seat travel, but make the whole get-up more flippity-floppity). There's my $0.02. I'm an admitted backyard hack, so please direct flames to me personally. --Scott '97 M3, awaiting Shark Injector, looking for a USED exhaust (remember, I'm CHEAP)

Reply to:

Top

-------------------- 5 --------------------

#5. Re: : [E36M3] Re: 0-60 times - from Rex Tener
Top
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:08:19 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: : [E36M3] Re: 0-60 times At 06:20 PM 6/19/2000 -0500, Paul Elliott wrote: >Well David , not according to BMW. Brochure unlaiden weights: > >M3: 3175 >M Cpe: 3131 >M roadster: 3086 Unfortunately, the weights that BMW list are accurate for some models and very inaccurate for others. My M3 in street configuration, SR, cruise, heated seats and a quarter tank of gas weighs 3175 pounds on SCCA scales. One of my previous autox co-drivers has a M Coupe and here is what his car weighed on SCCA scales. # ... we now know how much an M Coupe really weighs. # At 1/4 tank (I figure about 2 gallons actually before the light comes # on), 2998. I didn't remove anything from the car, like floor mats, # manuals, tools, etc. There is no jack and no spare tire, of course My M3 in race trim, no spare, no jack, Hoosier A3S03 245/40-17's on stock wheels, and quarter tank of gas, weighed 3105 at the SCCA Leemore Pro Solo this year. Bob Tunnell, how much does your '95 M3 weigh in A-Stock trim and street trim? -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com 1995 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo II A-Stock #139 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Reply to: Rex Tener

Top

-------------------- 6 --------------------

#6. RE: [E36M3] M Roadster wheels - from Chester Wong
Top
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:42:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] M Roadster wheels Maybe many people aren't as anal as I am, but what idiot would intentionally set aluminum wheels against concrete and brick? Chester --- Sean Ganess <Sean.Ganess@lostcluster.net> wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:57:26 -0400 > From: Sean Ganess <Sean.Ganess@lostcluster.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] M Roadster wheels > > A shame... This looks like a steal: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=359347061& > r=0&t=0 ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Reply to: Chester Wong

Top

-------------------- 7 --------------------

#7. Re: [E36M3] Wheel question - from Donna Seeley
Top
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:24:59 -0700 From: Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Wheel question Sure I still have the IFGs in the garage - they're in between the A032's and the 95's hubs. :) But I do have a set of Rials with almost-new Pole Positions in the basement... I have a feeling I'll never go back to street tires. Donna ------- 88 M3, track car 95 330isA, super-commuter http://www.stopyoucold.com > From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> > > > On a more serious note, a friend of mine (the drive of the F1 M3, he he) is > looking for some decent used forged or other lightweight type of wheels for > the track. Preferably 17x8 and under 20 pounds. Does anyone have any > sitting around in their garage that they'd like to get rid of? Donna, do > you still have your forged wheels sitting around? (Don't worry my umbrella > carrying duties won't change if you don't) > > Thanks, > Jonathan L

Reply to: Donna Seeley

Top

-------------------- 8 --------------------

#8. Re:Fire extinguisher mount - from Chip Mitchell
Top
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:34:34 -0700 From: "Chip Mitchell" <chipm@arches.uga.edu> Subject: Re:Fire extinguisher mount Jim, Hunt, etc, Thanks for the replies. To be honest, I would have to agree that it is probably a better solution to go ahead and buy the factory piece. As for the "time and effort" that went into coming up with an alternative solution, I have to confess that it was fueled as much by boredom on a free afternoon as by frugality (thanks anyway for the compliment, Jim). I was able to find all of the parts sitting around the basement, and so I whipped it out in about half an hour. If it came down to going to the hardware store and actually spending the money, I guess I'd say "screw it" and buy the BMW mount. Guess that would be a good thing to mention in the writeup, huh? Later! Chip Mitchell >-------------------- 7 -------------------- >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:32:58 -0700 >From: "Huntley Parker" <hparker@gotsavings.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fire extinguisher mount > >Scott, Chip, and everyone, > >I've been lurking here for a month or so and now have something to >contribute. In preparation for driving with the Shelby Club at Laguna Seca >on Sunday with fellow listers Jim Bassett and Donna Seeley, I needed to >install a fire extinguisher in my '97 with manual sport seats. I found >Chip's excellent fabrication instructions and ventured boldly forth to the >hardware store to procure the necessary items. Three or four hours later >(with several breaks to help Jim and Donna install her E30 rollcage) I had a >very functional fire extinguisher mount. > >While I appreciate Chip's instructions and they worked out fine, if I had to >do it over again I'd just buy the bracket. It was time consuming finding >the correct parts, there was some trial and error in fitment, and I ended up >cutting my finger on the sheet metal (as I knew I would, which is why I >bought the work gloves which I wasn't wearing when it happened). I spent >about $17 on parts. The factory bracket is available for $27 >(http://www.bekkers.com/details.php3?BMWFireExtinguisher). On the plus >side, I have a much better understanding of the underside of the driver's >seat and some recovered spare change. > >By the way, Chip; if you or anyone else is interested I've found a source in >San Francisco for a 2.5 lb. halon extinguisher that comes with a metal >bracket that can be easily affixed to the seat mount and costs $45 + $10 >shipping. No messy dry chemical residue. :) You can see it at >http://www.h3r.com/prodav.htm, model RT A1200. > >Great to be on the list, it's a terrific group. > >-Huntley Parker >1997 M3/2 with goodies > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chip Mitchell" <chipm@arches.uga.edu> >> >> I tend to consider myself "frugal" when it comes to paying $30 for a bent >up >> piece of metal, too. A couple of months ago, I spent some time in the >> basement creating my own fire extinguisher mount, which seems to be a >> reasonable replacement for the factory one. I ended up not using it >after >> doing a little research into the effects of dry-chemical extinguishers >when >> used in cars, so the writeup never got to the picture stage. >> >> You can, however, find basic instructions at >> http://www.arches.uga.edu/~chipm/e36fire.htm >> >> Hope it helps. Feel free to send additions or advice! >> >> Chip Mitchell > > > > >-------------------- 8 -------------------- >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:10:51 -0700 >From: "Jim Bassett" <jbassett@mayannetworks.com> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Fire extinguisher mount > >> I've been lurking here for a month or so and now have something to >> contribute. > >Welcome, Huntley. :-) > >> While I appreciate Chip's instructions and they worked out fine, >> if I had to >> do it over again I'd just buy the bracket. It was time consuming finding >> the correct parts, there was some trial and error in fitment, and > >And in this corner, Jim, who installed the factory bracket & extinguisher. >Sunday before the event. In my garage. At 4:45AM. Before my first cup of >coffee, on my way to meet Huntley & Donna for breakfast. Elasped time, 7 >min. > >(Yes, I'm bragging :-) But it truly was that easy. And this is NOT meant to >"dis" the DIY approach; in this case, spending the money just seemed easier. >IMO, YMMV, yadda^3.) > >But, Chip, I will take a bit of exception to your description of the BMW >mount as a "bent up piece of sheet metal". I don't know what you usually >refer to as "sheet metal", but the BMW bracket most certainly is NOT sheet >metal. It is slightly smaller gauge steel than is used for the seat ails - >about 1/8" thick. Hardly what I'd call "sheet metal". > >(This is NOT a personal attack, flame, etc. Merely my view on the subject. >I'm actually impressed that you took the time & effort to come up with an >alternative solution. I'm just nit-picking a bit, but also what to make sure >that others don't expect that the BMW version also uses 22 or 18 ga. sheet >metal, as your instructions allude). > >Cheers, >Jim Bassett >1998 M3/4

Reply to: Chip Mitchell

Top

-------------------- 9 --------------------

#9. Re: [E36M3] Re:Fire extinguisher mount - from Jim Bassett
Top
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:06:57 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re:Fire extinguisher mount At 11:30 PM 6/19/00 -0500, Chip Mitchell wrote: >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:34:34 -0700 >From: "Chip Mitchell" <chipm@arches.uga.edu> >Subject: Re:Fire extinguisher mount > >Jim, Hunt, etc, > >Thanks for the replies. To be honest, I would have to agree that it is >probably a better solution to go ahead and buy the factory piece. As for >the "time and effort" that went into coming up with an alternative solution, >I have to confess that it was fueled as much by boredom on a free afternoon >as by frugality (thanks anyway for the compliment, Jim). Ah ha, boredom! Amazing what one can accomplish when boredom sets in :-) (and you're welcome, Chip). >I was able to find >all of the parts sitting around the basement, and so I whipped it out in >about half an hour. Oh, I'm sure Huntley's feeling even better about his attempt now :-) Jim

Reply to: Jim Bassett

Top

-------------------- 10 --------------------

#10. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 #252 - from Hunter Johnson
Top
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:49:42 +0100 From: "Hunter Johnson" <HJOHNSON@dbmail.debis.de> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 #252 Jonathan says, >After watching all the F1, Le Mans and CART races over the weekend, a couple >of friends and I got in the mood to make a little "edited" version of a >recent trip one of us had made to Willow Springs Raceway. Thought some of >you might enjoy this as much as we did... Listen the that sweet in-line six >rev down the straight. ;-) > >(keep an eye on the A4 following him) > >http://www.geocities.com/pmazl/Quattro_spin.mpg That quattro is doing what the boys at Skip Barber call the "Death Wiggle". If you dial in too much correction to the oversteer, it snaps the other way and then you start to wiggle down the track. That video clip should be distributed with their book "Going Faster". Classic. Hunter

Reply to: Hunter Johnson

Top