E36M3 #279

Monday, June 26, 2000 02:50:04

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#1. RE: [E36M3] RE: RE: Help! Suspension Squeaks like mad - from Robert Chay
#2. BMW OEM battery supplier in Winston-Salem ? - from bobstoll
#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: RE: Help! Suspension Squeaks like mad - from Kenneth D. Robb
#4. RE: [E36M3] RE: RE: Help! Suspension Squeaks like mad - from Robert Chay
#5. Re: [E36M3] BMW OEM battery supplier in Winston-Salem ? - from Skip Bogard
#6. Re: [E36M3] BMW OEM battery supplier in Winston-Salem ? - from Skip Bogard
#7. Re: 5-speed vs 6-speed - from mill
#8. Re: [E36M3] New Toyo R-compounds - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
#9. Re: [E36M3] 8.5 Wheels - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: LTW Wheels - from LoweSeaton@aol.com

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#1. RE: [E36M3] RE: RE: Help! Suspension Squeaks like mad - from Robert Chay
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:27:51 -0700 From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: RE: Help! Suspension Squeaks like mad That noise is the links. It doesn't have any bushings and it's normal. I replaced my front links too and it's got the same joints. It's noisy as hell so I'm thinking of putting the stock links back (just the front). -Bobby > -----Original Message----- > > No squeaks (with one driving school in that time frame) yet but I think I > need to tighten the links in the back as I hear a little bit of > noise at low > speeds on uneven pavement while turning usually. >

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#2. BMW OEM battery supplier in Winston-Salem ? - from bobstoll
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:34:59 -0500 From: bobstoll <bobstoll@mediaone.net> Subject: BMW OEM battery supplier in Winston-Salem ? This is what was on the battery label from my 'dealer-replaced' BMW battery. (It was replaced under the 12 month OEM Warranty.) Original BMW BCI Group No. 92 57539 P/N 61 21 8 353 651 Manufactured for DETA-DOUGLAS Batteries, Inc. by Douglas Battery Winston-Salem, NC with "Made in USA" proudly displayed Anyone here on the list from W-S know if this company has 2nd's lying around in the warehouse ;-) ? -- Thank you. Kind Regards, Bob Stoll alternate bobstollathome@yahoo.com

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#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: RE: Help! Suspension Squeaks like mad - from Kenneth D. Robb
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:39:26 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Robb" <kenrobb@willisallen.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: RE: Help! Suspension Squeaks like mad Bobby, are you sure you're not driving off the pavement again? You'll hear the end of this in about 2002 maybe. Ken Robb Robert Chay wrote: > Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:27:51 -0700 > From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: RE: Help! Suspension Squeaks like mad > > That noise is the links. It doesn't have any bushings and it's normal. I > replaced my front links too and it's got the same joints. It's noisy as hell > so I'm thinking of putting the stock links back (just the front). > > -Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > No squeaks (with one driving school in that time frame) yet but I think I > > need to tighten the links in the back as I hear a little bit of > > noise at low > > speeds on uneven pavement while turning usually. > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

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#4. RE: [E36M3] RE: RE: Help! Suspension Squeaks like mad - from Robert Chay
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:56:38 -0700 From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: RE: Help! Suspension Squeaks like mad LOL! Nah. I talked to a couple of guys at Brembo and they said that's normal with those joints. -Bobby '98 M3 (sometimes thinks it's an SUV (SAV?)) :) > -----Original Message----- > > > Bobby, are you sure you're not driving off the pavement again? > You'll hear the > end of this in about 2002 maybe. Ken Robb >

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#5. Re: [E36M3] BMW OEM battery supplier in Winston-Salem ? - from Skip Bogard
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:19:56 -0400 From: Skip Bogard <skip.bogard@alumni.duke.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW OEM battery supplier in Winston-Salem ? I live in Raleigh and stopped at Douglas' Factory Store in Winston-Salem to get a battery. They have cosmetic blems stacked on pallets...most with no markings at all. Only the pallets are marked. And they also have a lot of service bays. I installed mine in the parking lot with no hassle for working on my car on-site. Of course it's kind of stealth when you change the battery from the trunk and not under hood. A blem will cost you $60-$80...not much savings off a new BMW battery considering what you have to go through when you visit there. Forget about customer service. You grab anyone who is breathing, tell Billy-Bob what you want (just try to explain to him that you want a Group 92 battery) he explains to Joe-Bob what you want (as if you are stupid or making something up), and then they both figure out what you really are looking for is a "Group 48 1/2" battery. At least that's what Billy-Bob and Joe-Bob call them. It's really a group 92 battery, which is half-way between a 48/91 and a 49/93 (The 4x is BCI number and I think (from memory) the 9x numbering while also a BCI number might be derived from a similar European scheme, but don't hold me to that.) For Sale: E36 Battery to home in NC. I have reconditioned my original factory battery and it's looking for a NC home. If you live around RTP, I'll sell anyone my old battery for $30 and warrant it unconditionally for a full year. For details on how I reconditioned it, email privately. There was nothing wrong with it when I replaced it...I just thought I'd get a new one as insurance, then I learned how to recondition them. It isn't very hard, and with reconditioning you alledgedly can make a battery last 8-10 years or longer instead of the typical 4-5. Note that I'm still testing this with a sample size of "2". - Skip bobstoll wrote: > > Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:34:59 -0500 > From: bobstoll <bobstoll@mediaone.net> > Subject: BMW OEM battery supplier in Winston-Salem ? > > This is what was on the battery label from my 'dealer-replaced' BMW > battery. > (It was replaced under the 12 month OEM Warranty.) > > Original BMW > BCI Group No. 92 57539 > > P/N 61 21 8 353 651 > > Manufactured for DETA-DOUGLAS Batteries, Inc. > by Douglas Battery > Winston-Salem, NC > > with "Made in USA" proudly displayed > > Anyone here on the list from W-S know if this company has 2nd's lying > around in the warehouse ;-) ? > > -- > Thank you. > Kind Regards, > Bob Stoll > > alternate bobstollathome@yahoo.com > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************

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#6. Re: [E36M3] BMW OEM battery supplier in Winston-Salem ? - from Skip Bogard
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:32:44 -0400 From: Skip Bogard <skip.bogard@alumni.duke.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW OEM battery supplier in Winston-Salem ? P.S. not that you asked, but you should know that an automotive lead-acid battery is not UPSable. There are other lead-acid batteries that are often sold off the net & shipped via UPS, but they are most often SLA's (sealed lead-acid). These are small brick sized batteries (almost look like motorcycle batteries) that you might find in a home security system (as the backup battery). These batteries are different in that they do not experience nor tolerate the deep discharges that an auto battery sees. - Skip

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#7. Re: 5-speed vs 6-speed - from mill
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:39:19 +0200 From: mill <mill99@gmx.net> Subject: Re: 5-speed vs 6-speed >I've heard that the 6 speed is not as strong as the 5 speed Sounds a bit weird, because the 6-speed tranny is the same unit as used in the 3.8 l M5, which has a lot more torque than a M3. What I heard is, that the 5-gear tranny feels better than the 6-speed during shifts. mill (5-speed)

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#8. Re: [E36M3] New Toyo R-compounds - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:22:43 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] New Toyo R-compounds Eric writes: > What do you think of the new Toyos? A guy had them at an autocross last > month, > I'd never heard of them before. They didn't look particularly sticky, > although > this guys driving style could account for most of that. ;) They seemed to > have a > lot more tread depth and smaller tread blocks than other R-compounds I'm > familiar with. Eric, You are very perceptive. And I think you are dead on. I too had never heard of the Toyo F1S tire. I purchased them from Turner Motorsport about a month ago. Turner advertised "rain tires" for $100. Seemed like a good price. I thought I was going to get the RA-1 tire. I was surprised when they arrived and they were labeled Proxes F1S. I had never heard of them. They are not listed on the Toyo web site. Your description of them is very accurate. The tread pattern looks very similar to the Michelin Pilot SX MXX3. Tread blocks are small. The tread pattern does not really look directional, sort of like the Goodyear Gatorbacks. However, the tire is marked Left and Right with arrows showing the correct rotation. Maybe the carcass is asymmetrical like the old BFGoodrich R1? Who knows? The tread is very deep. Deeper than new Michelin MXX3 tires. The tread seems soft and sticky as determined by the "finger nail" test. They are softer than street tires but not as soft as an old set of BFGoodrich R1 tires I have. I'd place them about half way between street and BFG R1 tires. The sidewall says "Recommended for competition events only." I assume this means they are R compound tires? I'll have to let you in on a little secret. I have not got any miles on the tires. I have no idea how they will perform. If you have been following the digest closely, you might have seen where I bought two new BMW polished forged rims? I wrecked my M3 a little over 2 months ago :( My fault due to stupidity. Dallas has had about 15 inches of rain in the last 3 months. I was trying to hurry home one night as it started to drizzle. Yeah. I know the road is slickest when it first starts to rain due to the oil and rubber being washed off. And I knew my tires were down to the wear bars. And I was quickly trying to accelerate through a stop light and make a 90 degree left turn. Stupid, stupid, stupid, and stupid. :( I spun out and slammed the driver's side of the car into the curb. Jumped the curb and ended up half on the street and half on the median. Broke both rims, bent the rear wheel under the car 12 inches and tilted out at a 30 degree angle, broke the CV joint and half axle, severed the brake line and parking brake cable, crumpled the entire left rear suspension pieces. But hey! Not a scratch on the car :) Total damage came to $4,500 of which $1,000 was wheels alone. Not as bad as I expected. The biggest expense was replacing the brake line. The labor to replace the brake line was 6.5 hours! The mechanic had to remove the back seat, remove the exhaust system (he took it off at the manifold), and remove the gas tank to get to the brake line. So......my new Toyo tires have not done anything more than roll my M3 around inside my mechanic's garage. I'm hoping my M3 will be finished late this week. I'll have to report my performance evaluation in a month or so. Lowell Seaton '95 M3/2 - modified rear suspension w/30 degrees of positive camber Dallas, TX BMW CCA #131505

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#9. Re: [E36M3] 8.5 Wheels - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:32:46 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] 8.5 Wheels Rob writes: > Hey listers I have a real easy question for those of you running 8.5 all > around. > If I use the LTW wheels 8.5 in the front does it need any kind of spacers? > Or > is it just the after market wheels of varying offset that require a front > spacer? > > I am currently looking into purchasing a set of the LTW wheels. Any good > sources, besides the one previously mentioned? I think Alexandria (sp?) Rob, All BMW M3 8.5 inch rims have 41 mm offset and fit on the front just fine, no spacers needed. Including the LTW wheels. They are very close to rubbing the strut but they do clear. Hendrick BMW (800-476-8322) and VOB BMW (800-462-7292) both sell the 8.5 inch LTW rim for less than Nick Alexander BMW. Hendrick and VOB wanted $516. Alexander wanted $23 more. Lowell Seaton '95 M3/2 - newly purchased 8.5 inch polished forged rims Dallas, TX BMW CCA #131505

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: LTW Wheels - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:45:00 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: LTW Wheels JimE writes: > I would like to point out that the > choice of a wheel offset is not some arbitrary number BMW just comes up with > to > make everything fit. Wheel offsets also have to do with suspension > dynamics/geometry, alignments, and what was explained to me as a lever arm > effect. It's hard to explain since it involves some technical alignment > talk and > I have not totally brushed up on alignment issues just yet. I'll do a write > up > on it some day. :-) Jim, Oh, I agree! I just meant that if BMW was starting with a clean sheet of paper when they designed the M3, then why did they not design it so the wheels were completely centered in the fender wells? Either flare the fenders differently or change the track of the wheels to put them exactly in the middle? This would have no effect on the suspension geometry. Lowell Seaton '95 M3/2 Dallas, Texas BMW CCA #131505

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