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#1. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 #280 - from d bruce
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:41:41 -0700 (PDT) From: d bruce <dbrucepoip@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 #280 Since I own a 95 I can tell you it does just take off like a turbo around 4200 or so RPM's. I believe the chip will smooth out the power accross the whole RPM range from what I have read off this list. I am sure Jim can confirm or deny this. ________________________ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:06:45 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] it's been so long, i don't remember... this question is probably for jim c, but if any others know i'd love to hear about it. ;-) long long ago i upgraded my 95 M3 with a euro HFM and the special jim c chip to go with it. and i've gotten very used to it's power curve. last week i sold that car (all upgrades included) and now have a completly stock 95 M3. on this car, when i do full acceleration from 2000-6500 i get a tiny hesitation at about 3900 rpms, and then a big surge at about 4200. there might not even be a hesitation. but there's definetly a LARGE increase of power above 4200 rpms. it's almost like having a turbo kick in at that rpm. my old car (with large hfm and jim c chip) did NOT do this. the power was basically flat through the whole range. here's some questions: 1. is this "extra push" above 4200 rpms normal for a stock M3? it's been so long since i had a stock M3 i don't remember... 2. did the large hfm and matching jim c chip (only engine mods i had) smooth that out in my old car? (or was my old car "special") 3. was it the hfm? or the chip? that did that smoothing. the reason i ask #3 is, i don't want to modify this car much at all, so if i can smooth that surge out with just a chip i'd rather do that then change the whole intake. i'm NOT looking for extra power. i'm just looking to have a smooth power curve over the whole range... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
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#2. RE: [E36M3] RE: Power rear vents on M3/2 - from Robert Chay
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:08:13 -0700 From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Power rear vents on M3/2 Monty, All the parts you need are euro parts. I don't know why they didn't leave it on the us version. -Bobby > -----Original Message----- > > Paul, I had the same thought about the power rear vents after driving a > rented Chrysler minivan. As soon as I get comfortable with the thought of > putting Chrysler parts on my car, I plan to check it out. > > MB > >
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#3. RE: [E36M3] E36M3 #280 - from Scott Richardson
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:24:13 -0400 From: "Scott Richardson" <srichardson@topworx.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36M3 #280 Friends, I just made an appointment for the 40,000 mile inspection on my 96 M3/2. One local BMW dealer quoted me $720.00, and the other quoted $640.00. The list of stuff they go over sounds fairly extensive, but is it worth the above prices? Does a dealer have to do it? If I don't have it done by a dealer will it affect my warranty? I still have a year and/or 10,000 miles left on the warranty. Also, I have a UUC exhaust on the car and I LOVE the way it looks, but it's pretty hard on the ears on longer trips. In fifth gear you pretty much have to drive under 65 mph or above 85 mph to avoid resonance in the passenger area. I tend to do the latter but as we all know it's not possible to be that far over the limit all of the time. I read a few months back here on the list that the drone would go away after 1000 miles or so. I'm still waiting and it has around 1200 miles on it. It's just a little too loud. About 20% less noise would be perfect. Is there a solution short of swapping back and forth between stock and UUC? I don't say much, but I read every list I get. Thanks Suzy, and all of you for the great information. Best regards, Scott Richardson 96 M3/2 with just a few inconspicuous mods. -----Original Message----- From: E36M3 [mailto:e36m3@bmwmpower.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 1:50 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] E36M3 #280 This digest contains the following messages: 1. Clutch by: Dimitris Y. Cobopoulos <jimcob@iis.gr> 2. RE: [E36M3] 8.5" Wheel Fitment Part II by: Zorine, Dmitri Y, CFSMD <dmitri@att.com> 3. RE: [E36M3] 8.5" Wheel Fitment Part II by: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> 4. RE: Power rear vents on M3/2 by: Monty Baugh <mbaugh@telecom-management.com> 5. Re[2]: [E36M3] 8.5" Wheel Fitment Part II by: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> 6. Help installing UUC oil filter housing by: Leff, Larry <lleff@Ajilon.com> 7. M3 Water Pump by: Darling Christopher AMC/CEOP <chris.darling@scott.af.mil> 8. [E36M3] it's been so long, i don't remember... by: Sean Hester <seanh_race@hotmail.com> 9. Re: [E36M3] tires by: Sean Hester <seanh_race@hotmail.com> 10. [E36M3] FS: Kinesis Wheels by: twisty M3 <twistym3@hotmail.com> -------------------- 1 -------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:05:20 +0300 From: jimcob@iis.gr (Dimitris Y. Cobopoulos) Subject: Clutch Dear friends, I am considering to install an uprated clutch kit (clutch cover with increased clamping force and rigid plate with organic facing) to my BMW ME E36 3.0L Eur,o and therefore I kindly request you to inform me your point of view. Best regards, Dimitris -------------------- 2 -------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:19:33 -0400 From: "Zorine, Dmitri Y, CFSMD" <dmitri@att.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 8.5" Wheel Fitment Part II > 245/40/17 SO2 PolePositions on my car without the 10mm spacers. They clear > the strut tower overhang part (which the DID NOT with the Bilstein struts) > but the "rim protector" just barely rubs up against the edge of the shock. > The wheel has about 1/8" clearance. Since I am sending 2 of > > Does anyone have any opinions (not likely on this list) about the rim > protector rubbing? Wayne, just make sure that they don't rub hard enough to overheat the sidewall of the tire, which might weaken the rubber... Maybe you could "shave" 1/16-1/8" off the rim protector on the inside of the tire, after all there shouldn't be any curbs there... ; ) Dmitri -------------------- 3 -------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 8.5" Wheel Fitment Part II --- "Zorine, Dmitri Y, CFSMD" <dmitri@att.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:19:33 -0400 > From: "Zorine, Dmitri Y, CFSMD" <dmitri@att.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] 8.5" Wheel Fitment Part II > > Wayne, just make sure that they don't rub hard enough to overheat the > sidewall of the tire, which might weaken the rubber... Maybe you could > "shave" 1/16-1/8" off the rim protector on the inside of the tire, after all > there shouldn't be any curbs there... ; ) Unless you ever want to take the tires to a shop to mount them on the other side to wear out the inside shoulder on the outside of a wheel and still maintain directionality. However, in Wayne's case, I think he'll long be done with the tires before he can even do that! Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -------------------- 4 -------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:46:07 -0500 From: Monty Baugh <mbaugh@telecom-management.com> Subject: RE: Power rear vents on M3/2 Paul, I had the same thought about the power rear vents after driving a rented Chrysler minivan. As soon as I get comfortable with the thought of putting Chrysler parts on my car, I plan to check it out. MB -------------------- 5 -------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:55:46 -0500 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re[2]: [E36M3] 8.5" Wheel Fitment Part II >>but the "rim protector" just barely rubs up against the edge of the shock. > My only comment on "rim protectors" is that my Fikses sure wish they > actually lived up to their name. Curb rash--oh, the shame! My experience has been that the rim protector on the Michelin's (MXX3's) was rather ineffective, but the rim protector on the Toyo Proxes street tires was quite good and did in fact prevent curb rash. Andrej '97 M3 -------------------- 6 -------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:49:03 -0400 From: "Leff, Larry" <lleff@Ajilon.com> Subject: Help installing UUC oil filter housing Gang - I'm gathering all the parts I need to get my oil pressure / temp gauges working again and I need some help with the proper oil temp sender I need. I have a VDO sender from BMP, but it's clearly the wrong one -- it doesn't even fit in the UUC housing! Can anyone email me the proper VDP part number for the oil temp sender? Gracias - Larry '95 M3, supercharged & damn fun! Larry Leff Sr. Account Manager Ajilon Phone: 617.451.7750 x17 Email: lleff@ajilon.com -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:39:25 -0500 From: Darling Christopher AMC/CEOP <chris.darling@scott.af.mil> Subject: M3 Water Pump Well, I got it done. The new water pump is now installed, and without undue aggravation and frustration. I used Jeff Ogi's procedure (see site: members.xoom.com/uberjeph) with only minor modification, using a new pump from Steve D', and it worked like a charm. (Nice procedure, Jeff!) Somebody gimme a check for $400, which is about how much money I saved! FWIW, add my info to the database: My car is a '95 M3, build date 10/94. The water pump DID have the plastic impeller. However, it showed zero apparent defects to my cursory inspection--76K miles on the part. ______________end Cod Capt Chris Darling HQ AMC/CEOP DSN 576-5930, Comm (618)256-5930 -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:06:45 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] it's been so long, i don't remember... this question is probably for jim c, but if any others know i'd love to hear about it. ;-) long long ago i upgraded my 95 M3 with a euro HFM and the special jim c chip to go with it. and i've gotten very used to it's power curve. last week i sold that car (all upgrades included) and now have a completly stock 95 M3. on this car, when i do full acceleration from 2000-6500 i get a tiny hesitation at about 3900 rpms, and then a big surge at about 4200. there might not even be a hesitation. but there's definetly a LARGE increase of power above 4200 rpms. it's almost like having a turbo kick in at that rpm. my old car (with large hfm and jim c chip) did NOT do this. the power was basically flat through the whole range. here's some questions: 1. is this "extra push" above 4200 rpms normal for a stock M3? it's been so long since i had a stock M3 i don't remember... 2. did the large hfm and matching jim c chip (only engine mods i had) smooth that out in my old car? (or was my old car "special") 3. was it the hfm? or the chip? that did that smoothing. the reason i ask #3 is, i don't want to modify this car much at all, so if i can smooth that surge out with just a chip i'd rather do that then change the whole intake. i'm NOT looking for extra power. i'm just looking to have a smooth power curve over the whole range... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:56 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] tires >You mis-read. It's ~30,000 miles on the street only; certainly less since >some of the car mileage was on the track tires. oh! then it's not "WAY WAY WAY too much", it's only "way too much" (only one way and no caps) ;-) > > and i get about 300-400 miles out of a set of track tires. > >This depends almost entirely on *which* tire you're running - well, OK, the >gnomes help a bit :-) I'm running what appear to be the "wear like iron" >Toyos; other tires last significantly less than those. i just tried toyos for the first time. except for the rubbing (they are too tall) they DO seem to last longer. i've used them for 3 track events (300 miles) and they are maybe half used up. so they seem to have about double the life of other track tires i've used. sadly, the chance of me getting to finish my toyo tire experiemnt is close to zero. i'm not taking my new M3 to the track, and if i DO for some reason, i'm gonna be going about 6/10ths, so the tire wear will be next to nothing... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:36:01 PDT From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] FS: Kinesis Wheels Posting for a friend. These are on a '98 Estoril Blue M3 sedan (there are some pics at his site but no close-ups. If you have inquiries you can email me or him (Pablo) directly at: PM332@hotmail.com ------------ << 3pc Forged Aluminum, 17 lbs ea, brand new are $800ea for fronts (17x8) and $850ea for rears (17x9)= about $3300 total..Wheels in great shape, but not perfect...one has very small/minor dent on the outer corner (does NOT affect ride, tire pressure, etc..very minor, is not absolutely necessary to fix). If fix is desired, I already checked into it and Kinesis will replace outer rim for $150 labor included...It's very hard to see, unless pointed out. Reason for sale: I don't need such expensive wheels, could use the money right now... Haven't thought of price yet, but will take offers...Thanks! Pablo Pablo Mazlumian http://geocities.com/pmazlumian/pm3.htm >> ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ************************************************************** Digest Commands UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the digest. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. **************************************************************
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#4. RE: [E36M3] RE: Power rear vents on M3/2 - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Power rear vents on M3/2 To save that $20, of course! Chester --- Robert Chay <rchay@mindspring.com> wrote: > All the parts you need are euro parts. I don't know why they didn't leave it > on the us version. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
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#5. RE: Inspection II stuff - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:48:25 -0700 From: "Jim Bassett" <jbassett@mayannetworks.com> Subject: RE: Inspection II stuff > I just made an appointment for the 40,000 mile inspection > on my 96 M3/2. > One local BMW dealer quoted me $720.00, and the other quoted $640.00. The > list of stuff they go over sounds fairly extensive, but is it worth the > above prices? Depends on where you are. FWIW, one of my local dealers (East Bay BMW, Pleasanton, CA) sent out a coupon flyer. IIRC, the Inspection II price was $5xx. > Does a dealer have to do it? Not necessarily. > If I don't have it done by a > dealer will it affect my warranty? No. Look in your Service Manual (you do have one, don't you? :-)). Most of the cost for these Inspections is actually the labor involved in "checking" stuff. Although the Inspection II service is the most extensive, most of the replacement stuff (fluids, spark plugs, air filter, etc) you CAN do yourself. Checking hoses, belts, etc, you can also do yourself. However, if you don't feel totally comfortable doing all this yourself, a less-expensive alternative than the dealer is to find a good, competent independent BMW repair shop in your area. They can do all the same "checks" & "replacements", usually for a fraction of the cost of the dealer. Your local BMW CCA chapter (you are a member, aren't you?) is a good resource, as are list like this one. (Oh, and one list hint: don't include the entire Digest in your post, and try to use a descriptive "subject". *I* read each & every post <grin>, but some people may skim "subjects", and a knowledgable person may pass over your post. Just an FYI, not a flame.) Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - just completing an Inspection I; still need to do that damn microfilter :-)
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Nurburgring - from cris brady
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:06:33 -0400 From: cris brady <cbrady@alpinenet.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Nurburgring Hi Tom, Your banquet partners here (Team PCA). Wasn't the German version of Jay Leno a hoot? Have to second your impressions of the week. It was Chris's and mine first time at the Ring, but it most definitely wont be the last. I think I already saw an email from Chris scheming for later this year. >>Did we have fun? Would I love to go back? Suffice it to say that I have rearranged my schedule and am off to Vienna and Amsterdam tomorrow - ending up in Frankfurt on Friday morning. Too bad the Ring is open for public lapping from Friday afternoon through Sunday evening. Gotta love it!<< As I write these words in the land of 55 mph (65 in non-urban areas), I am not jealous, but happy for your miserable, I mean wonderful, good fortune. Really. Happy. Really, not jealous, really .... time for my meds .... - Cris ===================================================== mailto:crisb@alpinenet.com software with altitude! http://www.alpinenet.com alpine enterprise, ltd.
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#7. Re: [E36M3] it's been so long, i don't remember... - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Mon Jun 26 17:19:00 2000 From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] it's been so long, i don't remember... Sean, If you had said the hesitation and power surge occurred at 4,900 and 5,200 rpm respectively, then I would definitely say it is the JimC chip. Are you sure the changes in the power curve are not occurring about 1,000 rpm higher? The VaNos system deactivates at about 5,100 rpm (according to JimC). I have dyno'ed my '95 M3 before and after my JimC chip. My "before" run was with the stock HFM, Euro airbox, and Dinan chip. My "after" test was with the Euro HFM, Euro aribox, and JimC chip. First let me say the Euro airbox limits the peak hp gain. I do not recommend using the Euro airbox. If you install the Euro airbox with the larger Euro HFM, you have basically wasted your money on the Euro HFM because you will not get any more hp than a JimC chip alone and the stock airbox. OK, with that said. I don't believe my JimC dyno run was representative of the full potential of the Euro HFM on my M3. I actually recorded very slightly less hp (2 hp) with the Euro HFM and JimC chip. Like I said, the Euro airbox limited the gain of the larger Euro HFM. But what was significant and verified was the shape of the hp and torque curves. It was eye opening. Like you, I had noticed a nice "kick in the rear" with the Dinan chip. It seemed very strong on top. But guess what? The Dinan chip lost an immediate 10 hp at 4,900 rpm. The torque curve and hp curve were UGLY. There was a straight drop at 4,900 rpm. The torque loss was about 10%!!!! Then after the VaNos transitioned, the power came back up. No wonder it felt strong! It was way down then suddenly regains to lost power. What about the JimC chip? :) Absolutely flat! Not an iota of torque loss. Whatever Jim Conforti does, he does it better than even BMW. Several other people dyno'ed their M3's that day and EVERYBODY with the stock or Dinan chip experienced the sudden drop at 4,900 rpm. Jim C has figured out a way to transition off the VaNos without the power loss. After examining my before and after dyno runs, I think it is apparent that JimC's programming is far superior to Dinan or BMW. While my peak hp was less with the JimC chip (invalid run - see reason above) the torque curve was slightly higher throughout the run and it was MUCH smoother. No dips or power drops. I think Dinan tunes specifically for peak hp numbers. Dinan sacrifices mid range torque to get the big peak number. JimC is more evenly tuned with power gains throughout the power band. I think by the time you get that feeling of "turbo boost" with the stock or Dinan chip, a JimC chipped M3 is going to be way in front. Bottom line? Get a JimC chip. You will get noticeable power increase but perhaps more importantly, you will see much improved driveability. Have you also forgotten the "herky jerky" effect when you coast to a stop in gear?? That is due to the fuel cutting off and then turning back on when the rpm drops below 1,500. That bugged the heck out of me when I had the stock chip. Dinan was slightly better. JimC is imperceptible. You can't tell when the gas cuts back in. Lowell Seaton '95 M3/2 - happy JimC customer Dallas, Texas BMW CCA #131505
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#8. Re: [E36M3] more on batteries - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:20:08 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] more on batteries Hi all, On batteries...does anything happen to the electrical system of an M3 when you disconnect the battery? Saw an ad for this nifty device that plugs into the cig lighter hole attached to a 9-volt battery to keep electronics operating (so the ad said). Is this something good to have? Only ten bucks? Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 1st AS - '97 2nd AS - '98 & '99
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#9. RE: Power rear vents on M3/2 - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:14:27 PDT From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Power rear vents on M3/2 Monty, Power rear windows was an option on Euro E36 cars, so real BMW parts are available for this upgrade. So, you can keep those MOPAR parts away from your Bavarian pride and joy. -rb (Thinking about a Chrysler auto trans. in a BMW... AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!) >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:46:07 -0500 >From: Monty Baugh <mbaugh@telecom-management.com> >Subject: RE: Power rear vents on M3/2 > >Paul, I had the same thought about the power rear vents after driving a >rented Chrysler minivan. As soon as I get comfortable with the thought of >putting Chrysler parts on my car, I plan to check it out. > >MB ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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#10. RE: [E36M3] it's been so long, i don't remember... - from Wentz, Don
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:36:37 -0700 From: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] it's been so long, i don't remember... Lowell wrote: >I think by the time you get that feeling of "turbo boost" with the stock or Dinan chip, a JimC chipped >M3 is going to be way in front. Gee thanks Lowell, I was just going to offer up a Dinan chip for early 95 M3 for sale. Whaddya say guys, Best Offer? My car came with a JimC chip in the ECU and the stock and a Dinan in a bag. Come and get it..... dw