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#1. WTB: Spoiler from M3/2 - from Rob Birkhead
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:32:04 -0700 From: Rob Birkhead <rbirkz@earthlink.net> Subject: WTB: Spoiler from M3/2 I am looking to buy a rear wing off a M3 coupe. I am only looking for a factory-installed unit. Not the M-technic one. Thanks. Rob Birkhead
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:24:09 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... must be an obd II thing... i've started both my 95 M3s with the cluth out 100s of times. dozen of times with the cluth out and the car in first gear, meaning that my car lurched along with the starter driving my car. can't imagine that's good for the starter or the gears. so far, knock on wood, i haven't actually hit anything by doing this, but... i definetly can start my car with the cluth out... >From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> >Reply-To: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:29:59 -0500 > >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:27:32 -0500 >From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... > >Err, not to burst your bubble or anything, but your car shouldn't start >unless >you depress the clutch pedal. Just tried it (by accident) on my '97 M3 >this >weekend. Wouldn't start, then I realized I didn't have the clutch in. > >Andrej >'97 M3 > > > This might be a "tiny issue", but I am still trying to make some sense >out > > of it. I've always had a habit of depressing the clutch to the floor >before > > starting the car. Why? I do this first of all to avoid smashing my >gears > > if I forget to put the shifter in neutral. Secondly, I reduce the drag >on > > the gearbox by depressing the clutch. However, I've recently learned >that > > by doing it this way, I increase the accelerated wear on the clutch >release > > bearing. > > > Could someone clarify this for me? > > > >************************************************************* >List Commands >UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >************************************************************* > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:10:16 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... Nope, my clutch must be in. Put the UUC clutch stop on last week. Had to adjust it so the car would start. I'm an inch and a quarter off the floor. Better than stock stop piece. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 1st AS - '97 2nd AS - '98 & '99
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#4. Re[2]: [E36M3] Start your engine... - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:38:45 -0500 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re[2]: [E36M3] Start your engine... > You do need to depress the clutch on a 97 M3 in order for it to start. > On my former 95 M3, this was not necessary, you could start the car > without pushing in the clutch. Interesting, we learn a few more differences between the different vintage M3's. Initially I didn't like it, being forced to press the clutch pedal in. Now I've gotten used to it, and it is safer this way. Andrej '97 M3 with Big Brother (tm) start guard
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... - from John Stoj
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: John Stoj <John_Stoj@excite.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... It's funny, I can't even remember why I started, but I've always depressed the clutch pedal before starting my cars. My '97 M3 won't start, of course, without the clutch in (I'd guess it's due to OBDII also (Jim C.? True?)). My '89 Carrera will start without the clutch in, but the manual tells you to depress the clutch before starting the car to save on some sort of wear (I can't remember what exactly). I would hope that if the Zuffenhausen guys are telling you to do it it won't hurt anything. - John _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:06:33 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... On my 993 you can start it without the clutch and it is OBDII. So this must be something with BMW OBDII. On my 318ti I can start it without the clutch but now that I think about it I don't think that I can start my LTW without the clutch in. The LTW has a build of 9/95 so maybe this is something they implemented later in the builds. I will double check when I get home. Seth Thomas www.m3power.com www.m3ltw.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Stoj <John_Stoj@excite.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:41:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Stoj <John_Stoj@excite.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... > > > It's funny, I can't even remember why I started, but I've always depressed > the clutch pedal before starting my cars. My '97 M3 won't start, of course, > without the clutch in (I'd guess it's due to OBDII also (Jim C.? True?)). > My '89 Carrera will start without the clutch in, but the manual tells you to > depress the clutch before starting the car to save on some sort of wear (I > can't remember what exactly). I would hope that if the Zuffenhausen guys > are telling you to do it it won't hurt anything. > > - John > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Power rear vents on M3/2 - from Chris Turrisi
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:02:25 -0400 From: Chris Turrisi <cturrisi@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Power rear vents on M3/2 Well, since I was called out on the carpet(Thanks Jim)..... I have retrofitted my car with Euro vent windows with much thanks going to John Firestone for the part numbers and technical assistance. This job is definitely not for the faint of heart...you have to completely disassemble the inside of your car, such as: 1) remove the front and rear seats and rear bolsters 2) remove the rear side panels 3) remove all under dash panels and glove box 4) open up the fuse box to add wires 5) remove the entire center console area around the shifter 6) lift up most of the interior carpet to run wires This job took approximately 12 hours worth of work to remove the interior and replace it and does not include the other 10-12 hours to install everything. I would only do it if you plan on adding other "accessories" at the same time. I added rear fog lamps, Schroth Rallye 4 belts, oil pressure and temp gauges, wiring for stereo equipment, euro wiper control module, and something else that I can't remember right now. Now that I have removed the entire interior of my car, I would be able to do it again in about half the time. I also have some part numbers for interior panel clips that I would order before I did the job again. I also helps to know where all the wiring is running in the car for future upgrades. If anyone wants the specifics of the install feel free to drop me a line. I seem to remember that the cost for the parts is approx $500.00 US; but if anyone wants the exact price I can look it up tonight. Chris T. 97 M3 At 12:17 PM 6/24/00 -0400, nabli@attglobal.net wrote: >Mr. Turrisi, will you take the stand and swear to tell the whole truth and >nothing but the truth? :-) > >Paul England wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:15:50 -0400 >> From: "Paul England" <ettsn@mindspring.com> >> Subject: Power rear vents on M3/2 >> >> Has anybody ever tried retrofitting the power rear vent windows to a US >> M3/2? Never knew I even wanted 'em until I rented a Chrysler minivan the >> other day that had 'em and they were slicker than poop on crisco. Too tough >> to be worth it? Anyone try it? I'm sure there's a Jim that's tried it (what >> are the odds?). Hell, it looks like we're getting a slew of Pauls too. >> Sheesh. >> >> -Paul E. >> 97 M3/2 (manual rear vent windows) >> >> ************************************************************* >> List Commands >> UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >> ************************************************************* >
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... - from Steve Hudson
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:48:46 -0500 From: "Steve Hudson" <shudson@io.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... I thought that having to push in the clutch was a safety feature that was used by some manugacturers. Having the clutch in insures that the car won't lurch when started. My '90 Miata has to have the clutch in before it will start. I believe that this became an issue after Audis 'unintended acceleration' problems in the '80s. Steve Hudson ----- Original Message ----- From: John Stoj <John_Stoj@excite.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:41:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Stoj <John_Stoj@excite.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... > > > It's funny, I can't even remember why I started, but I've always depressed > the clutch pedal before starting my cars. My '97 M3 won't start, of course, > without the clutch in (I'd guess it's due to OBDII also (Jim C.? True?)). > My '89 Carrera will start without the clutch in, but the manual tells you to > depress the clutch before starting the car to save on some sort of wear (I > can't remember what exactly). I would hope that if the Zuffenhausen guys > are telling you to do it it won't hurt anything. > > - John > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:03:39 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... At 09:59 AM 6/28/00 -0500, Seth Thomas wrote: >Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:06:33 -0400 >From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... > >On my 993 you can start it without the clutch and it is OBDII. So this must >be something with BMW OBDII. Hmm, I don't believe so, but we'll wait for JimC to give us the definitive word :-) IIRC, my 1996 328is (OBD-II) did NOT need to have the clutch pedal depressed to start it. My 1992 Celica did, though <shrug>. And, of course, the '98 M3 does. Just a few random, meaningless data points this Wed morning :-) Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - time to get ready to slog thru AM commute traffic :-(
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... - from Land Shark
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:14:33 -0600 From: Land Shark <lndshrk@xmission.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Start your engine... At 09:49 AM 6/28/00 -0500, John Stoj wrote: >It's funny, I can't even remember why I started, but I've always depressed >the clutch pedal before starting my cars. My '97 M3 won't start, of course, >without the clutch in (I'd guess it's due to OBDII also (Jim C.? True?)). Not really an OBD-II thing.. it's simply a clutch switch wired in series with your starter motor. Jim