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#1. I was rear ended... - from Chester Wong
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:46:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: I was rear ended... Well guys, it happened this afternoon whilst heading over to Steve D's place. I was crawling along with NYC traffic at the entrance of the Brooklyn Bridge when a woman driving a POS Saturn tapped me from behind. I get out of the car and here's the dialog: Me: "What the hell is wrong with you?" Her: "I'm sorry...I only tapped you." Me: "What???!?!?! You scratched my car!" Her: "What? It's only dirt." She proceeds to look more closely at it and then attempts to rub it with her hand to "wipe the dirt off." Me: "Get the hell away from my car. Don't even pretend that it's just dirt." She starts freaking out saying that she only tapped me and that she's sorry. I proceed to my trunk where I have an unopened disposable camera waiting for me. Her: "You're taking pictures? Great. *You* take those pictures...take lots of pictures!" Me: "Can I see your license and registration?" She proceeds to fish out her license and registration and stand near just watching. Passenger of her car: "Why are you hovering over her?" Me: "Whoa... I'm not doing anything" while taking a few steps back Me: "I don't undestand this. We were crawling at 2 mph and you hit me? Are you not paying attention?" Passenger defending her friend: "OOOOOHHH NO! We were not paying attention! We were strictly trying to hit you." Me: "Cut the bullshit....I don't understand how anyone could be so careless. Were your eyes on the road or were you feeling a little chatty and talked up a storm with the person next to you?" Passenger sticking her foot even further into her mouth: "She was distracted. We happened to be talking about a very important matter." Me: "And what matter could possibly be so important that you aren't paying attention to your driving?" Passenger: "MY MOTHER!" Me: "I don't care about your mother. What I care about is you paying attention to driving!" She jots down info about me and I take snaps of her license, my damage, her cracked license plate frame (the only thing to get damaged on her car). Passenger: "Man, most people wouldn't even care about a little scratch like that. But, ooooohh....look at the car *he's* driving." Rear passenger trying to agree: "You know, my mother has a Mercedes Benz and when things happen like this, she doesn't even care!" Well, after getting to Steve D's place, he rubbed some hand glaze over the scuffed area and took out all of the black marks. The only problem is that she dented the plastic rear valence and there are some scratches through that went through the paint. A picture can be seen at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=838931&a=7102150&p=24029072 Now currently, being a single, young male living in Brooklyn, NY driving an M3 is already taking its toll on my insurance rates. I'm not sure how insurance works as I've never had to deal with it. Basically, my understanding is that it's a "no-fault" system, right? So if it ever gets reported, my insurance company would have to pay for it and then my premium would go up if at all? Also, keep in mind that my deductible (I think) is $2k. The high deductible allowed my insurance to be cheaper and I figured that if I need the insurance, then I will truly need it (hopefully that will never happen, knock on wood). Anyway, the damage isn't too great and from far away, you can't even tell it's there (thank goodness it's right under the crease in the rear valence). So is it even worth it to pursue anything further? The only reason why I would even want to is vengence for them being such assholes and saying the stupid shit that they did. Does it even make sense to look up her phone number and call her and lay out the scenario where I really don't want to involve insurance but that the damage is there, nonetheless? You see, to properly fix the area would require either a) a new rear valence or b) some sort of bondo repaint of my existing one. Both of these options are expensive and I feel guilty saying, "Oh, we won't involve insurance, but this will cost you $1k to repair"...right before I guarantee you that she will probably fall over and die laughing. Or should I just suck it up and leave it? Well, at least I changed my oil to Red Line 10W40. thanks for your thoughts and putting up with my rant (this e-mail is also serving as documentation so that I don't forget anything), Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
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#2. Re: [E36M3] I was rear ended... - from Gerry Miranda
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:20:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Gerry Miranda <gerry_miranda@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] I was rear ended... I can sympathize with you.... a couple of weeks ago someone rear ended me... I was on I-294 toll road in chicago. i noticed a new firebird going the the road followed by a new C5 corvette. The C5 was trailing the firbird fairly closely...too close I thought....so a few minutes later I find myself being followed by the firebird and corvette. Traffic was stop and go. The firebird evetually changed lanes which left the C5 tail gating me....next thing I know, bang he hits me.... Me: Shit does that thing not have any brakes I get out and ... Him: Oh that cant be good Me: duh!!! Him: Sorry, i thought the guy behind me cant stop and i did not want him to hit me. Me: so YOU rather hit me and have it be your fault... we exchanged info and i asses the damage... the rear valance is now seperated from the bumper. the bumper is scratched 2 feet. the floor pan of the spare is dented to the point that i have to deflate the spare to remove it.... total damage according to Patrick BMW body shop...$826 i called him and he was shock at the cost...he said his c5 only needed a wash and wax...he assumed maybe $50 total cost to me....(he repeats this about 5 times) so now my ins is working out the details --- Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:46:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: I was rear ended... > > Well guys, it happened this afternoon whilst heading > over to Steve D's place. > I was crawling along with NYC traffic at the > entrance of the Brooklyn Bridge > when a woman driving a POS Saturn tapped me from > behind. I get out of the car > and here's the dialog: > > Me: "What the hell is wrong with you?" > Her: "I'm sorry...I only tapped you." > Me: "What???!?!?! You scratched my car!" > Her: "What? It's only dirt." > > She proceeds to look more closely at it and then > attempts to rub it with her > hand to "wipe the dirt off." > > Me: "Get the hell away from my car. Don't even > pretend that it's just dirt." > > She starts freaking out saying that she only tapped > me and that she's sorry. I > proceed to my trunk where I have an unopened > disposable camera waiting for me. > > Her: "You're taking pictures? Great. *You* take > those pictures...take lots of > pictures!" > Me: "Can I see your license and registration?" > > She proceeds to fish out her license and > registration and stand near just > watching. > > Passenger of her car: "Why are you hovering over > her?" > Me: "Whoa... I'm not doing anything" while taking a > few steps back > Me: "I don't undestand this. We were crawling at 2 > mph and you hit me? Are > you not paying attention?" > Passenger defending her friend: "OOOOOHHH NO! We > were not paying attention! > We were strictly trying to hit you." > Me: "Cut the bullshit....I don't understand how > anyone could be so careless. > Were your eyes on the road or were you feeling a > little chatty and talked up a > storm with the person next to you?" > Passenger sticking her foot even further into her > mouth: "She was distracted. > We happened to be talking about a very important > matter." > Me: "And what matter could possibly be so important > that you aren't paying > attention to your driving?" > Passenger: "MY MOTHER!" > Me: "I don't care about your mother. What I care > about is you paying attention > to driving!" > > She jots down info about me and I take snaps of her > license, my damage, her > cracked license plate frame (the only thing to get > damaged on her car). > > Passenger: "Man, most people wouldn't even care > about a little scratch like > that. But, ooooohh....look at the car *he's* > driving." > Rear passenger trying to agree: "You know, my mother > has a Mercedes Benz and > when things happen like this, she doesn't even > care!" > > Well, after getting to Steve D's place, he rubbed > some hand glaze over the > scuffed area and took out all of the black marks. > The only problem is that she > dented the plastic rear valence and there are some > scratches through that went > through the paint. A picture can be seen at: > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=838931&a=7102150&p=24029072 > > Now currently, being a single, young male living in > Brooklyn, NY driving an M3 > is already taking its toll on my insurance rates. > I'm not sure how insurance > works as I've never had to deal with it. Basically, > my understanding is that > it's a "no-fault" system, right? So if it ever gets > reported, my insurance > company would have to pay for it and then my premium > would go up if at all? > Also, keep in mind that my deductible (I think) is > $2k. The high deductible > allowed my insurance to be cheaper and I figured > that if I need the insurance, > then I will truly need it (hopefully that will never > happen, knock on wood). > > Anyway, the damage isn't too great and from far > away, you can't even tell it's > there (thank goodness it's right under the crease in > the rear valence). So is > it even worth it to pursue anything further? The > only reason why I would even > want to is vengence for them being such assholes and > saying the stupid shit > that they did. Does it even make sense to look up > her phone number and call > her and lay out the scenario where I really don't > want to involve insurance but > that the damage is there, nonetheless? You see, to > properly fix the area would > require either a) a new rear valence or b) some sort > of bondo repaint of my > existing one. Both of these options are expensive > and I feel guilty saying, > "Oh, we won't involve insurance, but this will cost > you $1k to repair"...right > before I guarantee you that she will probably fall > over and die laughing. > > Or should I just suck it up and leave it? > > Well, at least I changed my oil to Red Line 10W40. > > thanks for your thoughts and putting up with my rant > (this e-mail is also > serving as documentation so that I don't forget > anything), > Chester > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > > ===== Gerry 97 M3/4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! 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#3. Re: schools; braking - from Jay Sala
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 15:07:39 +0800 From: Jay Sala <jsala@mist.com> Subject: Re: schools; braking Good points, Ken. An eye-opener for me were the tips on braking and turn-in that Steve Dinan shared in a classroom session earlier this year. Though clearly no slug at the track, he said that he's at part throttle on parts of the track, eases on to the brakes in the first 1/3 (?) of his braking zone, holds whatever his peak braking level is in the middle 1/3 of the braking zone, then is easing off the brakes in the last 1/3 of his braking zone in order to gradually uncompress the front suspension and help balance the car to maximize cornering grip. Duh, you mean driving fast isn't just about hammering on the gas and brake? ;-) That said, I think that track pads can help intermediate drivers if they're experiencing much fade since having good brakes throughout the session can help them learn consistency. Once that base of consistency is learned, perhaps then it is easier to learn how to vary braking technique. Of course, any obvious mistakes (such as max braking for every corner) should be cured early. To end, let me pass on a semi-joke that Steve D. shared during the same class earlier this year... "Want to know the secret to going faster? <pause for dramatic effect> Don't use the brakes as much. Brakes, they slow you down, don't they?" Safe driving to all, - Jay At 02:04 PM 7/8/00 -0700, Ken Robb wrote: >Maybe you need a new instructor? :-) All you have to do is get off the gas >a bit >earlier and brake sooner and gentler to arrive at the turn in at the >appropriate >speed, hit your apex, and track out point. Good drivers adjust their >technique to >match the equipment they are driving. There was a lot of erroneous info on >braking >techniques being put forth here by some pretty good drivers a few months >ago to >whit: If you have brake fade you can cure it by braking later and >harder----baloney!!!!That is maximum braking. When you want to conserve >brakes you >must brake earlier and with less pressure.
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#4. Re: [E36M3] I was rear ended...(long but informative) - from GRCouture@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:34:32 EDT From: GRCouture@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] I was rear ended...(long but informative) Chester, Sorry to hear about your car - as a person who's been rear ended TWICE since getting his '99 M3 in April of '99 (yes... TWICE - I told the body shop not to paint the "bullseye" back on the rear bumper this last time), I know all the details, and will be glad to answer any and all questions regarding any procedures for claims - feel free to mail personally. Basically, my advice is - get it fixed, and go through your insurance. You shouldn't have to be reminded of that day with those scratches on your beautiful car. Because YOU were hit from the rear, it's automatically her fault - no questions asked. You even could have been taunting her by jamming on your brakes every 10 seconds, and it would still be labeled her fault. This is the good part. The bad part is all of the bullshit you'll have to go through to get it fixed. First, you'll have to file a claim with your insurance, and fill out an accident report. They say to fill out three - one to the insurance, one to your local police department, and one to the district's police department that the accident took place in. Don't waste your time. Only fill one out for your insurance, but do keep copies. Once you file the claim, they'll need to send out an insurance adjuster to assess the damage. To speed things up, ask if you can go to one yourself - but they usually work worse than bankers hours. One of the one's I went to only worked from 11-2. (I want his job!). Once the adjuster has done their thing, they'll send you a check for what they feel it will cost a body shop to repair. USUSALLY, they're very stingy, and will only give you enough money for repairs. This was the case in both of my accidents. I say - screw that, I'm driving a brand new M3, and shouldn't have to suffer with a repaired bumper because the idiots who travel behind me don't know how to drive. Go to a decent and reputable body shop, and they'll usually call the adjuster back into the shop to tell them that they found some sort of "hidden damage", and need to replace the entire thing. Body shops are willing to do this too, because it's less labor for them to just repaint a new piece and bolt it on - than it would be to work their asses off to repair some scratches, and have it come out shitty. Believe me - they're on your side. Once the adjuster has agreed to replace a piece (if they have), then you can get it fixed. They'll probably send the suppliment check to the body shop. If you need a rental car, make sure you go through HER insurance. Otherwise, you may have to pay surcharges, or you may not have rental coverage at all (it's plan-dependant). Any rental car agency will be able to flip the bill to her insurance, and all you'll have to do is sign on the dotted line. So, that's basically the procedure in a nutshell. One warning though - be prepared to have your car damaged for the rest of the summer - nothing happens fast in "insurance claim land". You may want to call body shops now, and make an appointment for mid-August....just so you have it locked in. I just got my car back from my second rear-ending two months ago. It's not fun, but again, you shouldn't have to suffer with scratches and dents on your brand new M3. You pay your insurance company hundreds to thousands of dollars every year, and probably never need to use it. Well, here's your chance to get them to do some work! Good luck, and if you have any further questions, feel free to ask! Gregg '99 Estoril Blue M3 (with it's THIRD rear bumper!)
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#5. Re: Moderators Needed . . . - from Ian Wendt
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 07:58:37 -0600 From: Ian Wendt <ianwendt@bmwtoys.com> Subject: Re: Moderators Needed . . . Suzy / Group; My sincere apologies. I emailed you about 2 weeks ago asking if you had a problem if I posted a small message regarding this and did not hear back from you. I assumed you would not have a problem with my post since I am not trying to sell anything or advertise my site here - after subscribing to this list for two years, I could not think of a better pace to find some excellent E36M3 moderators. I honestly felt my post was in keeping with many others I have seen in the past and thought it might be of interest to this group. Again, sorry for the miscommunication. This is a great mailing list and as a BMW enthusiast, I personally value the non-commercial nature of this list. Ian H. Wendt ianwendt@bmwtoys.com
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#6. Limited introductory volumes of the E46 M3 - from S Lafredo
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:55:45 -0400 From: S Lafredo <slafredo@fast.net> Subject: Limited introductory volumes of the E46 M3 Just happened to talk with the dealer about this the other day. Seem the same thing happened with the E46 323 and the new M5. Though he said we should not experience the same problems (very limited amounts) with the new M3 as the M5 crowd. :) Previously, when there was a E36 US spec. engine any car built w/that engine was of course destine for the US. Well now that we have a "world" engine, that engine can be used in ANY E46M3. Furthermore, the Europeans want the new E46M3 as much as we do, if not more. :) Add to that the fact that BMW make more money by selling that car in Europe vs. the US. Add to that they can deliver the car 1 month earlier (no transatlantic shipment) and you can quickly guess where most of the production will go. :( When European demand begins to stabilize will probably be when we start seeing greater numbers of E46M3s delivered to the US. On 7/8/00 at 9:46 AM, nabli@attglobal.net wrote: : First, I misunderstood what was meant by 300 in my original post. I : should have said 300 to the end of this (2000) year. : : Second, The E46 is slated to be produced at the Regensburg plant - : i.e., the same as the E36 M3. Production capacity is there. : : Finally, I think sales will depend on demand, price, and the economy : among several other factors. By the looks of things, this car will : sell quite well. --------------------------------oOo-------------------------------- Stephen Lafredo Philadelphia, PA slafredo@fast.net BMW NCC 97 M3/2 & 89 325ix
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#7. Re: [E36M3] I was rear ended...(long but informative) - from S Lafredo
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:19:29 -0400 From: S Lafredo <slafredo@fast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] I was rear ended...(long but informative) Becareful with this advice :) This is now called aggressive driving (and something else?) Basically, if you slam on you brakes and a person goes flying off the road. You could be found at fault!!! S On 7/9/00 at 8:36 AM, GRCouture@aol.com wrote: : You even could have been taunting her by jamming on your brakes every : 10 seconds, and it would still be labeled her fault. This is the good : part. --------------------------------oOo-------------------------------- Stephen Lafredo Philadelphia, PA slafredo@fast.net BMW NCC 97 M3/2 & 89 325ix
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Brake Pads and driving schools - from Donna Seeley
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:29:01 -0700 From: Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Brake Pads and driving schools > > From: Ken Robb <kenrobb@willisallen.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Brake Pads and driving schools > > If I were in charge of school policy only street legal, insured cars on non-R > compound tires would be allowed. > <snip> The purpose of the schools is somewhat negated when drivers get used > to the response of their cars with their track tires, etc.and then don't get > the same response on street tires in a road emergency. Easy to fix - run R-compounds on the street! :) I do have to get reacquainted with _planning_ my braking when I go back to street pads, tho. I do consider using street tires every time I get ready for a school, just because I _know_ I would have to be smoother and would learn more. One autox on the Comp TAs soured me on that idea - I have more fun on the Yoks. > And yes boys will be boys(and so will the girls, right Donna) and when you > close on me on the track I might pick up the pace a smidge to see if you're > really that fast. :-) > Ken Robb Umm, well, is that truly necessary? <G> Donna ------- 88 M3, track car, PF90s, A032s 95 330isA, super-commuter, stock pads, A032s http://www.stopyoucold.com
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#9. Airbag warning light - from PDumond21@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:21:16 EDT From: PDumond21@aol.com Subject: Airbag warning light I was wondering if anyone has had any problems with their airbag warning light coming on. I have a '97 M3 and my airbag warning light came on today and I'm not quite sure why. The only thing I did today was take out my driver's side seat. I don't see how this would have anything to do with the airbag warning light. Is there anyone else out there with this problem? I have looked in the Bentley's manual and it says to bring the car to an authorized dealer to have it looked at. Is there anything I can do to correct the problem? I really didn't do anything out of the ordinary except take out my seat. Thanks. Paul
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#10. Re: [E36M3] I was rear ended... - from Kenneth D. Robb
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:56:48 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Robb" <kenrobb@willisallen.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] I was rear ended... when you get hit like this it doesn't affect your rates. I'd have her or her insurance co. pay for the repair---if you don't it will probably annoy you every time you look at the damage. Ken Robb Chester Wong wrote: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:46:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: I was rear ended... Well guys, it happened this afternoon whilst heading over to Steve D's place. I was crawling along with NYC traffic at the entrance of the Brooklyn Bridge when a woman driving a POS Saturn tapped me from behind. I get out of the car and here's the dialog: Me: "What the hell is wrong with you?" Her: "I'm sorry...I only tapped you." Me: "What???!?!?! You scratched my car!" Her: "What? It's only dirt." She proceeds to look more closely at it and then attempts to rub it with her hand to "wipe the dirt off." Me: "Get the hell away from my car. Don't even pretend that it's just dirt." She starts freaking out saying that she only tapped me and that she's sorry. I proceed to my trunk where I have an unopened disposable camera waiting for me. Her: "You're taking pictures? Great. *You* take those pictures...take lots of pictures!" Me: "Can I see your license and registration?" She proceeds to fish out her license and registration and stand near just watching. Passenger of her car: "Why are you hovering over her?" Me: "Whoa... I'm not doing anything" while taking a few steps back Me: "I don't undestand this. We were crawling at 2 mph and you hit me? Are you not paying attention?" Passenger defending her friend: "OOOOOHHH NO! We were not paying attention! We were strictly trying to hit you." Me: "Cut the bullshit....I don't understand how anyone could be so careless. Were your eyes on the road or were you feeling a little chatty and talked up a storm with the person next to you?" Passenger sticking her foot even further into her mouth: "She was distracted. We happened to be talking about a very important matter." Me: "And what matter could possibly be so important that you aren't paying attention to your driving?" Passenger: "MY MOTHER!" Me: "I don't care about your mother. What I care about is you paying attention to driving!" She jots down info about me and I take snaps of her license, my damage, her cracked license plate frame (the only thing to get damaged on her car). Passenger: "Man, most people wouldn't even care about a little scratch like that. But, ooooohh....look at the car *he's* driving." Rear passenger trying to agree: "You know, my mother has a Mercedes Benz and when things happen like this, she doesn't even care!" Well, after getting to Steve D's place, he rubbed some hand glaze over the scuffed area and took out all of the black marks. The only problem is that she dented the plastic rear valence and there are some scratches through that went through the paint. A picture can be seen at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=838931 <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=838931&a=7102150&p=24029072> &a=7102150&p=24029072 Now currently, being a single, young male living in Brooklyn, NY driving an M3 is already taking its toll on my insurance rates. I'm not sure how insurance works as I've never had to deal with it. Basically, my understanding is that it's a "no-fault" system, right? So if it ever gets reported, my insurance company would have to pay for it and then my premium would go up if at all? Also, keep in mind that my deductible (I think) is $2k. The high deductible allowed my insurance to be cheaper and I figured that if I need the insurance, then I will truly need it (hopefully that will never happen, knock on wood). Anyway, the damage isn't too great and from far away, you can't even tell it's there (thank goodness it's right under the crease in the rear valence). So is it even worth it to pursue anything further? The only reason why I would even want to is vengence for them being such assholes and saying the stupid shit that they did. Does it even make sense to look up her phone number and call her and lay out the scenario where I really don't want to involve insurance but that the damage is there, nonetheless? You see, to properly fix the area would require either a) a new rear valence or b) some sort of bondo repaint of my existing one. Both of these options are expensive and I feel guilty saying, "Oh, we won't involve insurance, but this will cost you $1k to repair"...right before I guarantee you that she will probably fall over and die laughing. Or should I just suck it up and leave it? Well, at least I changed my oil to Red Line 10W40. thanks for your thoughts and putting up with my rant (this e-mail is also serving as documentation so that I don't forget anything), Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ <http://mail.yahoo.com/> ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. ************************************************************* -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ <http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/>