E36M3 #357

Tuesday, July 18, 2000 16:44:43

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#1. Rev limiter questions - from Sean Burke
#2. H&R Race Vs Sport Springs - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#3. WANTED: driver's side rear outer brake line (stainless) - from Marcus Groenig - SAS(Yield)
#4. RE: [E36M3] H&R Race Vs Sport Springs - from Paul Tsaliagos
#5. Re: [E36M3] H&R Race Vs Sport Springs - from Seth Thomas
#6. Re: [E36M3] Sean's voodoo curse of breakin' cars and crashin' left and right - from Sean Hester
#7. Re: [E36M3] Displacement and revs... - from Sean Hester
#8. Re: [E36M3] swapping strut hats - from Sean Hester
#9. Re: [E36M3] Water Pump Replacement Cost - from Sean Hester
#10. Re: [E36M3] Water Pump Replacement Cost - from Sean Hester

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#1. Rev limiter questions - from Sean Burke
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:09:20 -0400 From: "Sean Burke" <sburke@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Rev limiter questions I recently Sharked my '98 M3/4 (thanks for a wonderful product Jim!) I noticed that prior to the upgrade, the rev limiter seemed to come in rather 'softly" around 6800, but now it hits much harder at 7k. Can someone tell my exactly what the car does at the rev limiter (is it purely a fuel cutoff, or is it fuel/ignition, etc.), and what the differences are between stock and the Jim C. software? Thanks! --Sean '98 M3/4 Sharked! :)

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#2. H&R Race Vs Sport Springs - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:57:48 GMT From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: H&R Race Vs Sport Springs I am in the market to get springs for my M3 and here is where the confusion lies. I have a choice of getting H&R sport or the race. Now here are my questions since they were not listed in the sites that sells the springs. 1) Spring rates in pounds of the two (front and rear). 2) There is a slight more drop on the race ones, anyone using these? how is the drivability and clearance on every day use? 3) Although this is my daily driver and I do care about the ride to a certain extent, I want to get competitive in my class here when we do time trails at road courses (too bad even a stock M3 gets bumped with modified Mustang Cobras, Camaro SS, and boosted up MR2s). Therefore I need to evaluate the tradeoff. for instance I can do with the sport if the race ones did not drop more than half sec on a minute course, then I would go with the sport. From what I recall having a converstation with Seth Thomas was that the race are also progressive so they aint that bad on the street. I need to confirm this (that the race are progressive). Thanks in advance and any feedback from people using these (race or street) are appriciated. Ahmad Lutfeali 98 M3/4 Boston, MA ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#3. WANTED: driver's side rear outer brake line (stainless) - from Marcus Groenig - SAS(Yield)
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:08:16 -0500 From: "Marcus Groenig - SAS(Yield)" <MGroenig@SAS.Samsung.com> Subject: WANTED: driver's side rear outer brake line (stainless) OK everyone, I have a bizarre request; I had the pleasure of learning to rebuild the calipers on the ole M3 this past weekend. While I had them off, I used the folia-tec kit to paint them and put in new brake pads. Overall, the process <rebuilding and painting> is not all that difficult (there are great instructions at Suzy's site), but I had a bit of a MINOR problem... Ok, not so minor. On the FIRST caliper I started to work on, I sheared off my stainless brake line, where it threads into the caliper. As if it wasn't bad enough that I destroyed my line, I also had to watch my brake fluid drain out, drop by drop (the 5/16" vacuum caps don't fit over the nut part of the fitting), and I destroyed an easy-out trying to extract the threaded portion of the fitting. No one in Austin had an M3 brake line, but I was able to find an E36 325 line. I installed it and it seems to work fine, but I'd like to FIX the problem (I figure that the M3's brake system is superior to the 325's, so the lines probably are too). While removing the outer damaged line, I managed to round off the nut on the hard line as well. I'll be ordering a new hard line from the dealer, but that still leaves me looking for an outer rear stainless line for the M3. Does anyone know where I can buy a SINGLE braided stainless brake line? I don't really want to drop 100+$ to get a single line. If not a retailer, how about a list member? Maybe from a wrecked car? I only need the left (driver's side) OUTER rear line for an M3 (though I'd guess that the left and right rear outer lines are the same). Please help me out here! Marcus '95 M3 with freshly rebuilt and painted calipers and a single 325 brake line

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#4. RE: [E36M3] H&R Race Vs Sport Springs - from Paul Tsaliagos
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:08:19 -0400 From: Paul Tsaliagos <ptsaliagos@mediamap.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] H&R Race Vs Sport Springs Do you have to use camber plates with the Race springs?? Also, Ahmad, what shocks are you going to use? Bilstein, Koni, or something else. Paul 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Ahmad Lutfeali [mailto:m3_racer99@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:04 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] H&R Race Vs Sport Springs Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:57:48 GMT From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: H&R Race Vs Sport Springs I am in the market to get springs for my M3 and here is where the confusion lies. I have a choice of getting H&R sport or the race. Now here are my questions since they were not listed in the sites that sells the springs. 1) Spring rates in pounds of the two (front and rear). 2) There is a slight more drop on the race ones, anyone using these? how is the drivability and clearance on every day use? 3) Although this is my daily driver and I do care about the ride to a certain extent, I want to get competitive in my class here when we do time trails at road courses (too bad even a stock M3 gets bumped with modified Mustang Cobras, Camaro SS, and boosted up MR2s). Therefore I need to evaluate the tradeoff. for instance I can do with the sport if the race ones did not drop more than half sec on a minute course, then I would go with the sport. From what I recall having a converstation with Seth Thomas was that the race are also progressive so they aint that bad on the street. I need to confirm this (that the race are progressive). Thanks in advance and any feedback from people using these (race or street) are appriciated. Ahmad Lutfeali 98 M3/4 Boston, MA ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. *************************************************************

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#5. Re: [E36M3] H&R Race Vs Sport Springs - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:37:02 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] H&R Race Vs Sport Springs I have a set of Race Springs I will sell you. They are yours for $125 since you used my name in your post. I need to get rid of them as they are just in the garage taking up space. For those wondering why I am selling it is because I no longer have my 1997 M3 and these only fit 1996+ cars. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com www.m3power.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ahmad Lutfeali <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: [E36M3] H&R Race Vs Sport Springs > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:57:48 GMT > From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> > Subject: H&R Race Vs Sport Springs > > I am in the market to get springs for my M3 and here is where the confusion > lies. I have a choice of getting H&R sport or the race. Now here are my > questions since they were not listed in the sites that sells the springs. > > 1) Spring rates in pounds of the two (front and rear). > 2) There is a slight more drop on the race ones, anyone using these? how is > the drivability and clearance on every day use? > 3) Although this is my daily driver and I do care about the ride to a > certain extent, I want to get competitive in my class here when we do time > trails at road courses (too bad even a stock M3 gets bumped with modified > Mustang Cobras, Camaro SS, and boosted up MR2s). Therefore I need to > evaluate the tradeoff. for instance I can do with the sport if the race ones > did not drop more than half sec on a minute course, then I would go with the > sport. > > From what I recall having a converstation with Seth Thomas was that the race > are also progressive so they aint that bad on the street. I need to confirm > this (that the race are progressive). Thanks in advance and any feedback > from people using these (race or street) are appriciated. > > Ahmad Lutfeali > 98 M3/4 > Boston, MA > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > >

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Sean's voodoo curse of breakin' cars and crashin' left and right - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:28:35 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sean's voodoo curse of breakin' cars and crashin' left and right >I have to agree with Ken . . . My god, man . . . pick up gardening or >something! You must drive the living piss out of your cars . . . i'm allergic to most grass/trees/flowers. i geuss i could try painting or something... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Displacement and revs... - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:31:42 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Displacement and revs... >Yes, 48V is coming but 12V isn't going away. Cars will have a dual rail >power system for the forseeable future. This will support existing >electronics and allow manufacturers to slowly change, starting with the >components that could really use the 48V (Starter, PS, A/C, etc..). the system that needs 48v the most is the STEREO! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#8. Re: [E36M3] swapping strut hats - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:33:41 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] swapping strut hats >I had my mechanic swap my strut hats on my 99 M3 and now on the track the >front >end feels a little "loose" on the high speed straights - almost like the >front >end is lifting. My speeds were consistent with prior track events, so I >don't >think it is related to more speed. The front end was aligned after the >swap and >I couldn't find anything that was broken. Is this a common side effect of >more >negative camber? We plan to take another look at everything to make sure >something did not break, but I don't remember it feeling loose before the >swap. lots of neg camber often leads to tramelling (the car shifting left and right without changing direction) another thing might be your toe setting. if you have too little toe in, you car can feel "loose". ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Water Pump Replacement Cost - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:39:42 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Water Pump Replacement Cost >Anybody know how much it costs to replace (At a Shop or Dealer) the > >1) Water pump >2) thermostat and housing $300-$350 or so... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Water Pump Replacement Cost - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:41:00 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Water Pump Replacement Cost > >Anybody know how much it costs to replace (At a Shop or Dealer) the > > > >1) Water pump > >2) thermostat and housing > >Just had this done on my 98 M3/4 - cost was ~$592 parts & labor, done at >East Bay BMW in Pleasanton, CA. YCMV :-) yikes! $600?! my $350 price was for an indapendant BMW shop. dealerships are probably more. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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