E36M3 #378

Wednesday, July 26, 2000 14:24:52

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Kuhmo Report? - from Robert Jackowitz
#2. Change of address ??? - from JimShadow@aol.com
#3. Re: [E36M3] pulling to right - from nabli@attglobal.net
#4. Re: [E36M3] re: M3 handling - from Sean Hester
#5. Re: [E36M3] Help on how to remove Hawk Blue brake dust - from Sean Hester
#6. Hawk Blues - from Holeman, David
#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Detecting the limit (looking for a school) - from Sean Hester
#8. Florida Driving Info Wanted - from Greg Cernosek
#9. RE: The M3 is a sports car - from david tow
#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Detecting the limit (looking for a school) - from Jim Bassett
#11. WTB: 17x8 Wheels - from Robert Chay

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Kuhmo Report? - from Robert Jackowitz
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:01:06 -0400 From: Robert Jackowitz <RJackowitz@HARVPART.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Kuhmo Report? Are these their new street tires? On Wednesday, July 26, 2000 11:54 AM, Ron Buchalski [SMTP:rbuchals@hotmail.com] wrote: > Has anyone put a set of Kuhmo's new ECSTA Supra 712 tires (what an awful > name!) on their M3? If so, would you care to share your impressions with > the group? >

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#2. Change of address ??? - from JimShadow@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:26:58 EDT From: JimShadow@aol.com Subject: Change of address ??? I have changed over to a Cable Modem and have a new address. Is there a procedure for changing my email address with this list, or do I have to email Suzy directly. I looked on the website, but did not readily find any info. TIA, JIM (Not wanting to have the whip cracked for any unneccesary emails to the List Mistress.........)

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#3. Re: [E36M3] pulling to right - from nabli@attglobal.net
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:34:38 -0400 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] pulling to right Rob, Robert Jackowitz wrote: Jim, I thought that BMW recommends the 150 lbs. in each front seat, 150 in center rear, 45 in trunk scenario. Are M3's different? Yes, M3s are the exception. See: TIS 32 00 Wheel Alignment - Normal Position / Inspection Conditions E38 / E39 / E46 / E36 BTW, last time I had an alignment I was setting it up for track use (high speed stability) with me in the driver's seat, full tank of gas, no spare and no other weights. After we set everything (just for giggles) we lowered the car and put back the spare plus the subscribed weights as mentioned above and re-settled the car. Guess what, barely a difference. No change in toe or caster...negative camber increased 1/10th of a degree. Go figure. Funny you should mention that. During this last alignment I took measurements with and without a driver. Driver was around 150 lbs. Without driver: FRONT: Camber -1.19 -0.75 Caster 7.27 7.15 Toe .12 .07 REAR: Camber -1.00 -1.01 Toe .10 .09 With Driver (145 lbs.) FRONT: Camber -1.16 -0.92 Caster 7.27 7.15 Toe .11 .07 REAR: Camber -1.03 -1.21 Toe .09 .09 The big change is of course the passenger camber and not much else. Cheers, Jim E.

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#4. Re: [E36M3] re: M3 handling - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:41:44 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] re: M3 handling >Perhaps TUV doesn't allow R-compound tires on public roads? i'd believe that. most r-compound tires are DOT approved, but i have no idea about TUV approved. for the most part, r-compound tires aren't very DOT approved anyway, because they'll be below tread depth in a matter of a few miles. (except for a couple that come full tread, that you could choose not to shave) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Help on how to remove Hawk Blue brake dust - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:44:30 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help on how to remove Hawk Blue brake dust >Hello Listers, >I ran a used set of Hawk Blues (rear) on my 98 M3/4 at MIS a few weeks ago. >The dust baked onto my stock wheels to the point where only heavy duty >scouring for an hour or >more (per wheel) could remove most of it. Tried 2x brands of "wheel >cleaner" which both did >absolutely nothing. Any secret tips on how to get the dust off without >removing the finish from >the wheels in the process ?? i've heard that hawk pads release very HOT dust and other larger particles. it's possible that your wheel coating (which is very soft) is "burned" which i'm not sure can be "removed" without hurting the coating. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#6. Hawk Blues - from Holeman, David
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:40:59 -0500 From: "Holeman, David" <david.holeman@viaticus.com> Subject: Hawk Blues Hi, Thomas writes: From: tsalva@ix.netcom.com Subject: Help on how to remove Hawk Blue brake dust Hello Listers, I ran a used set of Hawk Blues (rear) on my 98 M3/4 at MIS a few weeks ago. The dust baked onto my stock wheels to the point where only heavy duty scouring for an hour or more (per wheel) could remove most of it. Tried 2x brands of "wheel cleaner" which both did absolutely nothing. Any secret tips on how to get the dust off without removing the finish from the wheels in the process ?? Hawks can be a great track pad but the dust they throw off can be very corrosive. You have to clean your wheels immediately after a track event. Any rain or moisture condensing on the wheels and it's instant rust. I have heard of several tips to miminize the risk with these pads. 1) spay the inside of the wheel with PAM cooking spray 2)or use a heavy coat of wax. The oils form a barrier between the hot brake particulate and your wheel. Sort of like spit on a greasy hot griddle. The hot material should hit the oil or wax and cool vs welding to the wheel. If you are going to commit to track events then it really makes sense to find an extra set of wheels. David Holeman www.racepad.com

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Detecting the limit (looking for a school) - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:50:55 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Detecting the limit (looking for a school) >This sounds like exactly what I need. I narrowed down the things I need >to work on from last sunday's autox to using the whole course, slowing >down more for the corners, and learning car control. I think that last >one is my single biggest weakness. Ive gotten so I can feel just about >how much gas I can use out of a corner so that I don't spin but I'm >sunk if I go over that line. I did go over sunday and for some reason was >able to save it, but thats very rare for me. Passenger in the car said >that I didn't react to the oversteer until very late. that's why i went the first time. i was able to find the limit most of the time, but if i blew it i'd spin for sure, i had no recovery skills. my local race school instructor recommended skid cars to me. so i did it. i definetly learned recovery skills, but also learned ALOT more about how to detect and prevent skids before they start. >What schools are available in bay area (N. CA) i have no idea. ;-( i'm in seattle, and the closest one is portland oregon. i've not really looked for others. >derekdaly has a skid car thing, but its a ways to las vegas. worth it? if it's the closest one i'd say it was worth it, but hopefully you can find one closer? >The perfect place would teach slides/oversteer/recovery in a skid car >with possibly a regular car/autox session afterwards to practice those >skills. And maybe braking technique (IE: trail braking). i know the portland school does that. their multi day race school (they use spec racer fords for school cars) has some skid car sessions followed by sessions in the race cars on the track. i'd assume other schools would do that too. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#8. Florida Driving Info Wanted - from Greg Cernosek
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:47:17 -0500 From: "Greg Cernosek" <gcernosek@inetx.net> Subject: Florida Driving Info Wanted I am thinking of taking a E36M3 (obligatory M3 content) down from Tampa to John Pennekamp Park (near Key Largo) to do some scuba diving. I am only visiting Florida and therefore, don't have any idea how long this drive would take. Also, would it be best to take 75S across Alligator Alley then down 1, or to take 75S to 41 (through Monroe Station)? Thanks, Greg

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#9. RE: The M3 is a sports car - from david tow
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:26:45 PDT From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: The M3 is a sports car Michael, The M3 might have the sports car's performance and handling, but it is not a sports car. It is a sports sedan - a high performance sports sedan at that. GT cars are usually heavy and high performance coupes such as a corvette, a BMW 850, a Porsche 928, etc. Arguably, the current Porsche 911 might be considered a GT too, since it is quite heavy compared to some earlier cars such as the RS, etc. I am a traditionalist when it comes to cars, so I define a sports car as a light, single-purposed, and opened 2-seater. The Miata, the early Alfa Romeo Spider, the Lotus Elise are all sports cars. David Tow Michael Ting asked: <> The M3 might be a fast car, but is it a sports car?? I don't really know what makes a car a sports car, but the M3 certainly doesn't look like a sports car. More likely a GT car. In fact, the only sports car that BMW ever built would be the M1, No? Anyone else wants to share their opinion?? Michael Ting ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Detecting the limit (looking for a school) - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:18:23 -0700 From: "Jim Bassett" <jbassett@mayannetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Detecting the limit (looking for a school) > What schools are available in bay area (N. CA) > > I saw skipbarber has laguna seca but it looks like the best they got for a > skid car is a truck. What's wrong with that? The skills you learn are the same, no matter what you learn them in. (And I've seen these tracks - they appear to be set up to easily slide/oversteer with teeny tiny tires in the back - and the inherent lightness in the rear anyway that a truck has.) > derekdaly has a skid car thing, but its a ways to las vegas. worth it? > > any suggestions? There's also Russell Racing school at Sears Point. What I found helpful was their Highway Survival Course (sent my wife to it, and I went along as "support" :-)). They have a true skip pad car - a car on castors that the instructor can control from inside the car, instantly inducing oversteer. Very fun, but took a while to get the hang of. This school is done in Russell's cars - Mitsubushi Gallants when I took it. Includes braking & accident avoidance exercises as well. For info: http://www.russellracing.com/highwaysurvival.html And if you're a BMW CCA member (and you should be! :-)), the GGC holds Car Control Clinics periodically through the year. The next one is September, I believe. This Clinic is in your own car, of course. The exercises are similar to Russell's: skip pad, braking, accident avoidance. For $45, a huge bargain for what you learn. For info: http://www.ggc-bmw-cca.org/DrivingEvents/CarControl/Overview.htm (FWIW, I've taken the course & instructed at a couple as well.) > The perfect place would teach slides/oversteer/recovery in a skid car > with possibly a regular car/autox session afterwards to practice those > skills. And maybe braking technique (IE: trail braking). That pretty much describes the Russell Highway course and usually the GGC Car Control Clinic/Autox weekend (usually the CCC on Sat and the autox on Sun). Hope that helps, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4

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#11. WTB: 17x8 Wheels - from Robert Chay
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:20:44 -0700 From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: WTB: 17x8 Wheels I'm looking for a set of 17" wheels for my '98 M3. I'm considering SSR Integrals, BBS RKs, IFGs and any other lightweight wheels. Cosmetic blemishes are okay but they must be straight. I need a set of light track wheels. I'd prefer a local seller (Los Angeles area). Thanks, Bobby Chay

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