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#1. Stock Ride Height? - from Ron Katona
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:40:52 -0400 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Stock Ride Height? Not a group purchase, but definitely group participation! I need a few data points on stock ride height as measured from the center of the wheels straight up to the fender arch (front and rear). It's been a long time since my car was stock and I never measured it then anyway. Today I removed the lowering springs that were on the car and installed a coil over kit. I know how much change I got from that, but don't know how it relates to stock. I'd like a baseline to work from to determine the total drop in order to have an idea about total suspension travel and general suspension geometry questions. A few random samples should be enough to give me good data. Prefer English units, nearest 1/8th inch is accurate enough - use the tape measure not the vernier caliper. No rush, first thing in the morning will be fine. <g> There _are_ a few stock M3s on this list... right? Thanks in advance! -- Ron Katona
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: Sway Group Purchase Update - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:52:21 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Sway Group Purchase Update In a message dated 8/2/00 8:08:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, slafredo@fast.net writes: << This is EXACTLY how I do it. Except I am the "small group" that solicits the prices and chooses the vendor. I also usually do not post the vendor name except to the gp members when it is time to pay up. But in the past this was viewed as sneaky and suspicious. When what I was doing is saving face for the vendor for when things like this happen. >> Stephen, At least it's a plan. I've participated in two of your GPs...I'm a very satisfied customer!!! I thought I was acting as the "small group", receiving input from others, evidently, Suzy thought the same thing. If we had a beginning mechanism that would have allowed Suzy and I to work together from the "get-go", none of this unpleasantness would have occurred. We must use this as a lesson and ask Suzy to write to the website about proper procedure to start a GP. I couldn't agree more, these GPs work out great for everyone including the vendor when handled correctly. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 1st AS - '97 2nd AS - '98 & '99 mov'in to ESP in '01
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Stock Ride Height? - from S Lafredo
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:08:48 -0400 From: S Lafredo <slafredo@fast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock Ride Height? I took these numbers off my last alignment sheet. I remember the guy took the measurements the way you described but am not positive these are those measurements. Also I don't see any numbers for the rear? LF 14.29 RF 14.15 HTH. Stephen On 8/2/00 at 9:47 PM, Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> wrote: : Not a group purchase, but definitely group participation! I need a few : data points on stock ride height as measured from the center of the : wheels straight up to the fender arch (front and rear). --------------------------------oOo-------------------------------- Stephen Lafredo Philadelphia, PA slafredo@fast.net BMW NCC 97 M3/2 & 89 325ix
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#4. Re: Stock Ride Height - from S Lafredo
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:11:17 -0400 From: S Lafredo <slafredo@fast.net> Subject: Re: Stock Ride Height Seems I don't know how to read :) LR 12.69 RR 12.40 On 8/2/00 at 11:09 PM, S Lafredo <slafredo@fast.net> wrote: : I took these numbers off my last alignment sheet. I remember the guy : took the measurements the way you described but am not positive these : are those measurements. Also I don't see any numbers for the rear? : : LF 14.29 : RF 14.15 : : HTH. : : Stephen : : On 8/2/00 at 9:47 PM, Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> wrote: : :: Not a group purchase, but definitely group participation! I need a :: few data points on stock ride height as measured from the center of :: the wheels straight up to the fender arch (front and rear). ====== End Forwarded Message ====== --------------------------------oOo-------------------------------- Stephen Lafredo Philadelphia, PA slafredo@fast.net BMW NCC 97 M3/2 & 89 325ix
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Sway Group Purchase Update - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:14:59 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sway Group Purchase Update Seth, Very good points. I guess my 35 years with a government contractor was clouding my vision a bit. I was trying to get it more organized, which kinda defeats the idea of an informal list! So I retract my suggestion. Joe Dyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sway Group Purchase Update > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:33:29 -0400 > From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sway Group Purchase Update > > Joe and list, > I think some of you are missing the point here. Suzy, the list admin, set > up a group deal with a vendor who has been nice to the list and has always > made special pricing available to us. They have been loyal to us and we > should be the same back to them. We should not have a bidding war with > vendors and then use the lowest one. This is not a government mailing list > ; ) The problem with group deals is that people set them up, have > interested parties involved, these people then decide to go out and find a > better deal with other vendors, and then there is not enough interest for > the deal to take place or doing this pisses off the first vendor so he > refuses to complete the purchase. Now everybody is screwed because a few > people think this deal is not good enough. > > You want my suggestions for group purchases? Here they are: > > 1. One person puts it together because it is their idea and they want a > great deal on the product. > 2. He post this information to the list striking up the interest. > 3. The list and only the list is able to participate. This means don't > pass this on to any message boards, freinds, family or any other vendors. > 4. If you want this product at this price, get on the group deal. If not > then don't but don't you dare try to get this deal from some other vendor. > This hurts the whole list and makes the vendor NOT WANT TO DO ANY GROUP > DEALS IN THE FUTURE. > 5. If you do anything that harms the group deal then you are off the > mailing list. > > These are just some quick and angry thoughts. Why do I get mad about stuff > like this? Because everytime that I or somebody else on the list trys to > put something like this together somebody has to F__K IT UP! So from now on > if you guys want in, then get in, but don't go and try to get this same > price somewhere else as you won't find it. And don't F__K UP anymore group > deals this list puts on. > > Seth Thomas > www.m3ltw.com > www.m3power.com > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Dyer <joedyer@home.com> > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:47 PM > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sway Group Purchase Update > > > > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:45:07 -0700 > > From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sway Group Purchase Update > > > > Suzy, > > > > I have a suggestion for future group buys. Please don't exclude them in > the > > future. > > > > How about determine interest by posting an idea of a product and if enough > > seem interested, then put out a "spec" for bid by various suppliers. Have > a > > small group, maybe three listmembers, evaluate the bids and then select > one > > and only one supplier. Only then should the deal be publicized to the > List! > > > > Joe Dyer > > 95 M3 Dinan3 > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > List Commands > > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Stock Ride Height? - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:08:37 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock Ride Height? Ron, I have a stock suspension (for now) '95 M3. 42,000 miles. Original springs and shocks. LF 13 3/4" RF 13 5/8" LR 13 3/8" RR 13 1/8" Lowell Seaton '95 M3/2 Dallas, Texas BMW CCA #131505
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#7. Re: group purchase - from russell
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:24:03 -0700 (PDT) From: russell <driver8m3@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: group purchase "But your initial reaction to a group buy shouldn't be to copy it and threaten the relationships built in the first one. If you do, YOU ARE A GOOBER." with a very limited offer of only 10 sets from the 1st vendor, i dont see the big deal with a secondary offer, especially since his offer included the stipulation "IF the 1st group purchase sells out..." (or something like that). i think we all understand basic economics. no need to castrate the guy. plus, he did apologize & his intentions seemed genuine. my 2 cents... russell yellow 99 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: group purchase - from Suzy Kraft
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:03:30 -0500 From: Suzy Kraft <suekraft@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: group purchase I did ask that list members get permission before offering any kind of group purchase. I think you will find this same rule on most mailing lists. This is why Stephen started his Automotive Tuning mailing list because he did not like having to ask permission before having a group purchase, although I have never denied anyone permission to have a group purchase on this list. Top Notch Auto has been nice to us in the past and actually was considering becoming a sponsor of the list and offering a small percentage of the sales from group purchases back to the list to help me out in my maintenance of the mailing list and web site. This list may be free for the subscribers but it is not free for me. I much appreciate the donations I have received since starting this list, but they do not begin to cover my costs since I first started this list 2 years ago. Suzy russell wrote: > > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:24:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: russell <driver8m3@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: group purchase > > "But your initial reaction to a group buy shouldn't be to copy it and > threaten the relationships built in the first one. > > If you do, YOU ARE A GOOBER." > > with a very limited offer of only 10 sets from the 1st vendor, i dont see > the big deal with a secondary offer, especially since his offer included > the stipulation "IF the 1st group purchase sells out..." (or something > like that). i think we all understand basic economics. no need to > castrate the guy. plus, he did apologize & his intentions seemed genuine. > > > my 2 cents... > > russell > yellow 99 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************
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#9. How do you adjust rear Konis (single adjustable) - from Pieter Van Dien
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:12:50 -0400 From: "Pieter Van Dien" <pvd1@worldnet.att.net> Subject: How do you adjust rear Konis (single adjustable) I just put in a set of rear Konis shocks last night. I got this set (of four, fronts will go in this weekend) used and have no instructions on how to adjust the rears. The prior owner, a successful auto-xer, told me to basically leave the rears the way they are, but I'd still like to know how to adjust them. I believe it requires removing the bottom mounting bolt? One of the shocks I purchased did not have the square metal plate on the inboard side. It looks like this plate twists on over the ridged bolt hole. On the left shock, which has the plate, the 19mm bottom bolt does not event make contact with the plate. What the heck does this thing do? Is this a problem not having it in place? If needed, I hope I can order that piece by itself. Piete
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#10. GP debate - from Jim Powell
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 06:01:03 -0700 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: GP debate I'll be busy all day and this has run its course. So, if you need to to be mentally spanked back to the stone age, please write privately for Economics 101. I'll get back to each of you, I promise. Jim