E36M3 #432

Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:38:50

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#1. Re: [E36M3] 02 Sensors - from NickG
#2. RE: ATFs - from Fadeev, Alex
#3. Re: ATFs - from Aswtguy2c@aol.com
#4. WTB: One 17x8.5 M Contour - from vernon@sprynet.com
#5. WTB: Two 17x8.5 20-spoke Motorsport wheels - from vernon@sprynet.com
#6. ] Dyno runs of Shark Injected M3 - from Paul Elliott
#7. E36 M3 brake pad change + 8/21 Summit Point school - from Adam Fila
#8. Re: Priceline Gas Card - from dbruce
#9. Automatic headlight conversion - from Carey Probst
#10. Re: [E36M3] Alignment in PDX - from Peter Guagenti

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#1. Re: [E36M3] 02 Sensors - from NickG
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:04:44 -0400 From: "NickG" <nikog@MediaOne.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 02 Sensors > I mean, wouldn't a bad sensor trip a light? Yes. > Or does the computer not look at the switching speed of the > sensor? I understand that they get slow long before they fail. > And a slow sensor means that the swings between rich and > lean are longer and wider than necessary. But the average > should still be at stoich. How that affects fuel > consumption and pollution I don't know..Nick? It all depends how the sensor fails. A slower switching sensor may not trip a light, but it would cause sluggish operation. That's exactly how my sensor died. I noticed that the throttle response was very poor. When the O2 sensor's output was checked on the DIS, it was switching (but not that fast). When the sensor eventually died, it triggered the Check Engine light. When I checked the operation of the new sensor (on the DIS), it's output varied wildly, switching between rich and lean at a high rate (rather, higher than the old sensor). Bottom line is that an old sensor can be sluggish and cause poor throttle response. The average mixture it reports may or may not still be correct. Eventually, it will set a Check Engine light. Nick

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#2. RE: ATFs - from Fadeev, Alex
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:04:33 -0500 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <alex.fadeev@verizon.com> Subject: RE: ATFs Aswtguy2c@aol.com wrote: > > You're 95 M3 has a 5HP18 (A5S 310Z) transmission which is > has an ESSO LT Lifetime synthetic fluid. From what I know, > it has special additives for that transmission. Clutches > and other components will fail and you may end up buying a > new or rebuilt 5HP18 transmission. Brett A, are you on this list? Reading this stuff? Go easy on this guy if you are ;-). Seriously, there are very few people on this planet who buy this 'lifetime fluid' theory other then BMW NA marketing eagles who would have to pay for NON-lifetime fluid replacement during normal intervals. Well, them and some dealership reps ;-) > Don't even think about buying ESSO LT from the dealer.. 5 > liters cost $200! I highly recommend that you do NOT change > the ATF in that vehicle. I don't care if you buy synthetic > ATF from Mobil, Castrol etc... I would beg to differ. Unless someone will prove to us that BMW does anything other then slap its brand name and mark up on the fluids that it sells, Mobil, Castrol, LubroMoly and particularly RedLine lubricants will stay on my inspection II list (just like BMW used to recommend before inspection II became free). Read more at: http://www.redlineoil.com http://www.turnermotorsport.com/ "Manual Transmission Fluid (MTL): 75W/80W GL-4 gear oil (SAE 5W30/10W30 engine oil viscosity) designed for use in manual transmissions and transaxles. Provides excellent protection of gears and synchronizers and its balanced slipperiness provides a perfect coefficient of friction, allowing easier shifting. For manual transmissions made after 1/95, we recommend D4-ATF by redline. " > Even if you still wanted to change the fluid, there's a > special procedure in how do it and it is not like > changing the engine oil. So please leave it there. Jonathan, You are invited to share with us your special procedure for draining and refilling manual transmission lube... > As for your rear differential, you can use conventional or > synthetic gearlube 75w-90 used for limited slip.. Redline, > Lubro Moly are good brands! agreed > Good luck with your inspection II and did you enjoy changing > the microfilter? > =) > > Take Care, > Jonathan Caldito > BMW Level 1 Tech (Trainee for now) alex f

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#3. Re: ATFs - from Aswtguy2c@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:30:08 EDT From: Aswtguy2c@aol.com Subject: Re: ATFs Alex, The ATF used for the Automatic Transmission is something I would listen to. Heck my instructors back in school stress about it a lot! If its a manual transmission that has lifetime MTL or ATF, then fine.. that can be change.. but not on an Automatic Transmission. I changed my S5D310Z MTF and that was lifetime.. still has LubroMoly in it and plan to switch to Redline! ZF and Hydramatic will not warranty an automatic transmission because the wrong fluid was used. And we all know that BMW service intervals for oil change is BS and I will agree. 15k for an oil service?!?! The synthetic oil can last but its the crap floating around like dirt and hydrocarbons, and a filter cannot filter out HC's. You should see some of the oil filters from the M52TU engine out of the E46 and E39! I'll ask the parts guy how much ESSO LT cost and I'll email you the paper work. Heck, if I was doing a transmission pan gasket, BMW will tell me to put back the ATF that came out no matter how dirty looking it is. Now if it smells funny, and has metal or brown pieces in it, then obviously something has happened. Or if the customer is willing to spend a $100 or more on ATF. Why do think the modern BMWs doesn't have an ATF dipstick anymore? Thats because BMW doesn't want the owner to look at it or add ATF. I'll also ask the parts guy who supplies ESSO LT for BMW. Here's the procedure in changing the ATF in transmissions that require Lifetime Fluid. Hook up Modic or Dis on the car and go into automatic transmissions and go to ATF Filling procedure.. or something like that. Lift the car off the ground, engine at idle with headlights turned on. Open the drain plug and pump in ATF through the drain plug.. keep filling the pan till ATF starts flowing down. The thing here is that the transmission has to be somewhere between 33C degrees thru 50C degrees. Can't remember off the top of my head since I only performed this procedure 2x in my life. Since most BMW owners don't have a MoDiC or DIS, they can use a temp. wire and stick it in the ATF pan,,, a pyrometer isn't accurate if aiming at the pan. This email is mainly for automatic transmissions.. wether its a ZF, or a Hydramatic GM transmission. You can use whatever MTF or ATF in your manual transmission.. its just a bunch of gears meshing and spinning together. If Mr. Brett Anderson does give a followup I surely would like to know what he has to say. Like I said, I'm just a trainee right now at a dealer still learning. This stuff is just knowledge I got from a BMW school. Jonathan Caldito

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#4. WTB:  One 17x8.5 M Contour - from vernon@sprynet.com
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:49:10 -0400 From: vernon@sprynet.com Subject: WTB: One 17x8.5 M Contour Looking for one 17x8.5 M Contour to make a complete set of 4 for autox/track use. Doesn't have to be in perfect condition (minor scratches and curb rash OK), but must be straight and true. And yes, I realize the Contours are a pretty heavy wheel for auto-x and track use, but since I already have three.... :) Thanks! Vern Anderson 98 M3/2

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#5. WTB:  Two 17x8.5 20-spoke Motorsport wheels - from vernon@sprynet.com
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:51:09 -0400 From: vernon@sprynet.com Subject: WTB: Two 17x8.5 20-spoke Motorsport wheels Looking for two 17x8.5" 20-spoke wheels for track/autox use. Doesn't have to be perfect (minor scratches and curb rash OK), but must be straight and true. Thanks! Vern Anderson 98 M3/2

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#6. ] Dyno runs of Shark Injected M3 - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:59:21 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: ] Dyno runs of Shark Injected M3 Chris, >As you experienced, the performance increase wasn't there. Why? The car just needs some time to adapt, it's not as easy as with the OBD I cars. You can read more about what Jim C.< Yes, but I dont think Jim would agree that you shouldnt expect to experience equal gains over time with his software...He certainly talks of the influence of OBDII, but he also states, with equal vehimence, that good software designers know how to deal with it so that you dont lose most of your benefit! _____________________________ Paul Elliott '99 Alpine White M3; <20000 mi; Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage II Supercharger; Stygar Short Shift Kit and clutch stop; Skaags pedals

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#7. E36 M3 brake pad change + 8/21 Summit Point school - from Adam Fila
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:25:52 -0400 From: "Adam Fila" <ylf@mindless.com> Subject: E36 M3 brake pad change + 8/21 Summit Point school Anyone on this list going to the 8/21-8/22 CCA driving school at Summit Point ? This is my second school at Summit Point, and after baking my stock brakes last time around, and experiencing some horrible fade on my last session, I have decided to go with PF90's this time. Is it safe to change pads at home and drive the 300 or so miles to the track on PF90's ? Or is it better to do the swap at the track ? I have heard that they are not so good when cold - but is this significant enough to worry about ? I have never changed the pads on my M3 yet, so I would actually feel much more comfortable if I could observe someone doing the swap before attempting to do one myself. Anyone planning to change their pads the weekend before the school (in northern NJ), or at the track, who wouldn't mind giving me some pointers, and letting me watch ? Also, which motel do people usually stay at for this school ? The last school was with Car Guys, and they had a discount arranged at the Holiday Inn in Winchester (just down the street from PTG's shop) Anything simmilar with the CCA ? Please e-mail me privately, TIA and see you at the track, -Adam Fila '95 M3

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#8. Re: Priceline Gas Card - from dbruce
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:46:37 -0400 From: dbruce <dbrucepoip@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Priceline Gas Card I just signed up for the card. In CT, where premium is 1.90 minimum, I asked for 1.50 and got it by switching to another gas station (Sunoco). I bid for 50 gallons. The $3 dollar charge is only applied after 90 days if you send in another bid after 90 days to Priceline. If you do not use the card, you aren't charged. Since I am saving a minimum of .40 a gallon....even with the 3 dollar charge, I would still make out. Total cost for 50 gallons guaranteed, $75. A decent saving for a minimum of work On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:08:04 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------- 1 -------------------- >Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:17:20 -0400 >From: "Prakash Maggan" <pmaggan@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: Priceline Gas Card > ><<<Has anyone tried the priceline gas card? I just signed up for $1.40 a >gallon at my usual station. It seems too good to be true. Whats the deal? >This is 93 octane too. Just wondering. I figure it can't hurt anyway. If >anyone else has tried it let me know how it went.>>> > >I have used the Priceline gas card a couple of times, but just noticed that >they will start charging a $3 monthly fee after 90 days. I'm just gonna >stick with my Chase Bank Shell Mastercard which gives me 5% off of Shell gas >without any limits. After taking into account this 5% rebate, Priceline >prices don't look so great. > >Prakash Maggan >http://hometown.aol.com/dinan750 >Email: pmaggan@yahoo.com ICQ # 10148265

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#9. Automatic headlight conversion - from Carey Probst
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:08:53 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Automatic headlight conversion I just installed an automatic lights on system in my '99 M3 and disabled the light sensor (so lights are always on). Now I get a low beam failure from the OBC, probably because I tapped the headlight wires between them and the sensor. Can anybody tell me where the sensor is located so I can put the power there instead. The Bentley wiring diagram doesn't help find the physical location. Thanks -- Carey Probst '99 M3 A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Alignment in PDX - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:28:53 -0700 From: "Peter Guagenti" <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Alignment in PDX > Can anyone recommend an alignment shop in Portland, OR? Preferrably fairly > close in. Call Albert at Rasmussen BMW. He races an M3. If he can't do it for you, I'm sure he can recommend someone who can. If he tells you to schedule it with a service manager, ask for Zed -- great guy. If you go in, tell Zed that PeterG with the red 328i finally bought an M... ;-) -p

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