E36M3 #453

Tuesday, August 22, 2000 02:59:32

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#1. RE: Changing Fuel Filter - from Monty Baugh
#2. Re: OnTrack Insurance - from Eric.C.Dotson@travelers.com
#3. Re: Repair Center for Alpine Changer - from Skip Bogard
#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: OnTrack Insurance - from Sean Hester
#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Repair Center for Alpine Changer - from Sean Hester
#6. 1995 M3 motor - from Rob
#7. Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 for sale??? - from Chad Armstrong
#8. Re: [E36M3] Insurance and Driving Schools (NOT IN MA by default) - from Thomas E. Tice
#9. RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 for sale??? - from Donna Seeley
#10. E46M3 photo spotted from Monterey - from Daniel Smith

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#1. RE: Changing Fuel Filter - from Monty Baugh
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:45:19 -0500 From: Monty Baugh <mbaugh@telecom-management.com> Subject: RE: Changing Fuel Filter What is the recommended interval for changing the fuel filter? I have one in my parts inventory (thanks, SteveD), but haven't gotten around to installing it. MBaugh

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#2. Re: OnTrack Insurance - from Eric.C.Dotson@travelers.com
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:16:38 -0400 From: Eric.C.Dotson@travelers.com Subject: Re: OnTrack Insurance Seth Thomas wrote: >There is one option for people who track their cars a lot. It is offered by OnTrack Insurance.< I looked at their website again after reading this post, and I remembered the one reason this insurance will not work for me. I also discovered a potentially huge problem withtheir program. The reason this won't work for me is they limit you to 5k miles annually. Well, my car is a daily driver, so that's out the window. The BIG problem is that the coverage is written through Reliance. For those of you not familiar with the insurance industry, Reliance is in BIG trouble, as in should be filing bankruptcy any time now. We do some third-party contract work for them, and all we've heard recently is bad news after bad news. Their ratings are very bad, and their stock is trading for around $0.28 a share - it was $28 a share a few years ago. Few think they will recover. This could be a major problem if you have a claim. Anyone who has OnTrack or is thinking about getting it should contact them and ask what they are doing about this situation. Eric 95 M3 95 325i

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#3. Re: Repair Center for Alpine Changer - from Skip Bogard
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:07:53 -0400 From: Skip Bogard <skip.bogard@alumni.duke.edu> Subject: Re: Repair Center for Alpine Changer I just called this posted number at Alpine. Let me reclarify what wasn't in the earlier post below...about getting your Alpine CD changer fixed... 1. CALLING Alpine and wading through the phone prompts will buy you absolutely NOTHING except a chance to talk to someone (I spoke to "Brian"). 2. Brian told me ALL repairs to BMW CD changers had to go through a BMW dealership. That is you have to take your changer to a BMW dealer FIRST... you can't send them directly to Alpine. 3. Then, BMW will send it on to Alpine, and they'll return it back to your dealer. I told Brian (rather nicely...I don't know why...because I felt like screaming): "I didn't like this process as it wasn't the 'cleanest' for me, but I'd do it." After I get my repaired unit back, I will come back here and tell you all that I think Alpine is the among most FUCKED up outfits in the universe. But I'll wait until they fix my unit before I go public saying that! Boy, but are they ever stupid shits at ENGINEERING and CUSTOMER SERVICE. Anyway, don't waste your time calling Alpine directly. The address and phone number below are pointless. Am I the only one who called them up after this post below 7 days ago? No one to my knowledge saved other listers from making irrelevant long distance calls. - Skip Tim Ng wrote: > > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:44:54 -0400 > From: "tim ng" <BMWM3NUT@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: [uuc] alpine CD changer, you are in luck > > Here is the info you need. I just had my TR1600 fixed by THE ALPINE REPAIR > CENTER in New Jersey. It was doing exactly what yours was doing, now its > perfect. I took mine to Global BMW in Atlanta (goto your local dealer), > It cost me $140 6 months ago. 2 months later,I got my changer back in a > very nice special cut foam packed box made just for the changer. > > Here is the info you need: Alpine electronic, 2 A center court, Totowa N.J. > 07512-3131 > > PHONE #= 973-237-6000 > call the number and make sure you go thru the promps for factory BMW > changer. I think it will then tell you what you need to do. > > Good luck, have fun after its fixed > > Tim Ng

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: OnTrack Insurance - from Sean Hester
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:18:02 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: OnTrack Insurance i have no idea about the financial situation of the company. but i DO know, from long talks with them, (back when i still thought it was a good idea to bring my street car to the track) that they will work out policies that work for street/track cars. i had them work out a policy for me that was in effect ONLY on the track (in which case 5000 miles a year is plenty) as opposed to their "standard" idea of covering you for ALL liability claims, even on the street. in this case however i'd have to keep my current policy intact and ADD their policy. (their "standard" plan, is that you cancl your liability with your current company) the price, for this plan, for my 95 M3 was about $500 a year if i remember... but before i purchased the policy, i came to my senses and stopped driving my street car at the track, and have a cheap, reliable, (slower then an e36 M3) track car with a roll cage. which i won't mind (as much) if i total. >From: Eric.C.Dotson@travelers.com >Reply-To: Eric.C.Dotson@travelers.com >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> >Subject: [E36M3] Re: OnTrack Insurance >Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:18:15 -0500 > >Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:16:38 -0400 >From: Eric.C.Dotson@travelers.com >Subject: Re: OnTrack Insurance > > > >Seth Thomas wrote: > > >There is one option for people who track their cars a lot. It is offered >by >OnTrack Insurance.< > >I looked at their website again after reading this post, and I remembered >the >one reason this insurance will not work for me. I also discovered a >potentially >huge problem withtheir program. > >The reason this won't work for me is they limit you to 5k miles annually. >Well, >my car is a daily driver, so that's out the window. The BIG problem is >that the >coverage is written through Reliance. For those of you not familiar with >the >insurance industry, Reliance is in BIG trouble, as in should be filing >bankruptcy any time now. We do some third-party contract work for them, >and all >we've heard recently is bad news after bad news. Their ratings are very >bad, >and their stock is trading for around $0.28 a share - it was $28 a share a >few >years ago. Few think they will recover. This could be a major problem if >you >have a claim. Anyone who has OnTrack or is thinking about getting it >should >contact them and ask what they are doing about this situation. > >Eric >95 M3 >95 325i > > > > >************************************************************* >List Commands >UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >************************************************************* > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Repair Center for Alpine Changer - from Sean Hester
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:30:09 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Repair Center for Alpine Changer hmmmm... the IASCA competition winning stereo in my M3 was mostly alpine stuff. ;-P but anyway... i'm not sure what your dealership's policies are for returning things but what follows is my standard way of dealing with situations like this when they tell you "send it to us, we'll have it back to you in a month or two" (i know it works as regular electronic places because i've done it several times) you give it to them for repair. and on the same day you BUY a new one. (most places have 30 day return policies, but make sure what it is...) after 29 days, you return it. then you BUY a new one again. (maybe even the same unit) then you keep doing this until you get your fixed one back. MAKE SURE to keep receipts and keep the original packing, and try to be careful unpacking/repacking it. i do that all the time. it really helps the store "hurry" the process. they can't make alpine hurry, (or maybe they can?) but they can sure make sure it leaves their store soon, and make sure to call you the day it arrives back. in order to do this, you DO have to be willing to "float" the purchase price for a few weeks. but you'll get it back eventually. i'll even let it ride on a credit card for a cycle or two if i'm cash starved. the $10 i'll pay in interest for the $500 charge for a month or two is CHEAP compared to being without CDs for two months. heck... think of the $10 as cd changer "rental". and a cheap rental at that! ;-) >From: Skip Bogard <skip.bogard@alumni.duke.edu> >Reply-To: Skip Bogard <skip.bogard@alumni.duke.edu> >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> >Subject: [E36M3] Re: Repair Center for Alpine Changer >Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:08:15 -0500 > >Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:07:53 -0400 >From: Skip Bogard <skip.bogard@alumni.duke.edu> >Subject: Re: Repair Center for Alpine Changer > >I just called this posted number at Alpine. Let me reclarify what wasn't >in >the earlier post below...about getting your Alpine CD changer fixed... > >1. CALLING Alpine and wading through the phone prompts will buy you > absolutely NOTHING except a chance to talk to someone (I spoke to >"Brian"). > >2. Brian told me ALL repairs to BMW CD changers had to go through a BMW > dealership. That is you have to take your changer to a BMW dealer >FIRST... > you can't send them directly to Alpine. > >3. Then, BMW will send it on to Alpine, and they'll return it back to your >dealer. > >I told Brian (rather nicely...I don't know why...because I felt like >screaming): > > "I didn't like this process as it wasn't the > 'cleanest' for me, but I'd do it." > >After I get my repaired unit back, I will come back here and tell you all >that I think Alpine is the among most FUCKED up outfits in the universe. >But I'll wait until they fix my unit before I go public saying that! > >Boy, but are they ever stupid shits at ENGINEERING and CUSTOMER SERVICE. > >Anyway, don't waste your time calling Alpine directly. The address and >phone number >below are pointless. > >Am I the only one who called them up after this post below 7 days ago? No >one to my >knowledge saved other listers from making irrelevant long distance calls. > >- Skip > >Tim Ng wrote: > > > > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:44:54 -0400 > > From: "tim ng" <BMWM3NUT@worldnet.att.net> > > Subject: [uuc] alpine CD changer, you are in luck > > > > Here is the info you need. I just had my TR1600 fixed by THE ALPINE >REPAIR > > CENTER in New Jersey. It was doing exactly what yours was doing, now its > > perfect. I took mine to Global BMW in Atlanta (goto your local dealer), > > It cost me $140 6 months ago. 2 months later,I got my changer back in a > > very nice special cut foam packed box made just for the changer. > > > > Here is the info you need: Alpine electronic, 2 A center court, Totowa >N.J. > > 07512-3131 > > > > PHONE #= 973-237-6000 > > call the number and make sure you go thru the promps for factory BMW > > changer. I think it will then tell you what you need to do. > > > > Good luck, have fun after its fixed > > > > Tim Ng > > >************************************************************* >List Commands >UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >************************************************************* > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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#6.  1995 M3 motor - from Rob
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:51:08 -0600 From: "Rob" <motor@cadvision.com> Subject: <FS> 1995 M3 motor For sale: 1995 3.0L M3 engine conversion pacakge. Includes motor, wiring harness, ECU w/chip, radiator, accessories, exhaust and more. Parts have 32k miles. Asking $4500 Can ship anywhere motor@cadvision.com

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#7. Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 for sale??? - from Chad Armstrong
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:54:00 -0700 From: Chad Armstrong <caarmstrong@epicor.com> Subject: Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 for sale??? "Has anyone else spotted any E46 M3's or is it just me...?" Yep, silver E46 M3 on 101 freeway near Oxnard...not much of a coincidence though since there new emissions facility and existing "distribution dock" is located there. I'm sure it was there doing testing and someone was just taking it out for lunch. This was spotted about a month ago. Until I lose to one, on the track or at a stoplight, me and my lightly modded E36 is not afraid of no stinkin E46. So there! Best Regards, Chad Armstrong 99 M3 streetster 85 911 trackster

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Insurance and Driving Schools (NOT IN MA by default) - from Thomas E. Tice
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:20:42 -0400 From: "Thomas E. Tice" <tetice@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance and Driving Schools (NOT IN MA by default) This is a very interesting data point. The actual auto insurance laws are determined by the individual states. I suspect that most states are very similar and that Mass. is an exception. However, my comments regarding insurance coverage for Driver Education events in theory only applies to my state, North Carolina. YMMV. Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '99 540/6 Dave Spragg wrote: > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:09:35 -0400 > From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Insurance and Driving Schools (NOT IN MA by default) > > If you have MA insurance you are not covered for driving schools. Don't > know about other states but our state has state set wording for all policies > and reacted to some bozo committing fraud by twice telling his insurance > company that the Porsche got messed up on a private way when he saw a > deer... The insurance companies lobbied the state insurance board and > changed the wording to make driving school and other such things be > specifically not covered, in fact the wording is soooo wide open that you > would very well not be covered if your car got hurt at high speed on the > highway. I have gone over this with licensed insurance folk, my personal > lawyer and several folk up high in the BMW CCA, no one thinks we are covered > here in MA as of Jan 1, 2000. As a result of this I purchased supplementary > insurance for driving schools for my beloved M3. > > Dave Spragg > dave@spragg.com > Natick, MA > 99 M3 Sharked > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas E. Tice [mailto:tetice@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:18 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance and Driving Schools > > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:08:33 -0400 > From: "Thomas E. Tice" <tetice@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance and Driving Schools > > While there is no problem with requesting an insurance certification form, I > would recommend that you tread lightly here. I have discussed/debated this > issue at length with my agent, who also happens to be my brother and also > happens to be with State Farm. We still don't see eye to eye but in the > end, > you should be covered. > > The agents receptiveness to reassure you that your car is covered at a > drivers > school can and will vary greatly depending on the agent and their > understanding > of what goes on at these events. The bottom line is that in the unfortunate > event of a track accident, your agent will have very little say so in > whether > your insurance will cover it or not. This falls on the adjusters and can go > up > the chain from there but that chain doesn't directly involve your agent. > The > agent can attempt to influence the adjusters if he/she values you as a > customer > but that's about it. The adjusters usually understand that your agent gets > a > commission on your premiums and calibrates them accordingly. > > The bottom line (as I understand it) is that your insurance will cover you > in > all situations with the EXCEPTION of a competitive event. Note that you > have > no coverage at an autocross by this definition. Since most are relatively > low > speed events the risk isn't too great. This is one of the reasons why BMW > CCA > run driver schools are advertised as non competitive driver training events > and > do not even allow timing of laps. > > I have seen 4 or 5 track accidents involving street cars and in every case > their insurance did pay (including one covered by my brother). In some > cases > though, these people were shortly thereafter looking for a new insurance > company (a pretty foolish move on the ins. company's part given what we > typically pay). > > So you certainly don't want to give the insurance company any reason to > suspect > this is anything other than a driver education session - which it is. If > your > car showed up at the body shop after an event with a stopwatch taped to the > steering wheel, you wouldn't stand a chance. Similarly, discussing the > nature > of these events ahead of time with your agent may not lead to good things > either depending on their frame of mind. This is one of those cases where > you > shouldn't ask a question if you aren't prepared to deal with the answer. My > view is that insurance is about as black and white as the tax law - you can > never be sure until after the audit. > > In reality, discussing lap times in a forum such as this could possibly be > used > against you??? > > Have fun but be careful. > > Tom Tice > '98 M3/4 > '99 540/6 > > Carey Probst wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:00:35 -0400 > > From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > > Subject: Insurance and Driving Schools > > > > On another list there was a thread about being denied insurance coverage > > for accidents at driving schools because the companies invoked a 'no > > racing' clause. > > > > I recommend that before attending the school contact your insurance > > agent and request an insurance certification form. > > > > Mine provided a coverage guarantee for my M3 and my son's 325 certifying > > to Trackmasters, Genesee Valley BMW CCA, and Watkins Glen, that I was > > fully covered for the driving school events. The agent even asked if we > > did skid pads so knew what to expect. > > > > My insurance is with State Farm, others may not be so reasonable but I > > figure better to request first than try to convince some adjuster that > > the damage was really from a deer wearing blue the same shade as the > > Armco. > > > > -- > > Carey Probst '99 M3 > > Technical Director > > E-Mail: Carey.Probst@oracle.com > > Perm: hcprobst@alum.mit.edu > > > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free > > State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > > ************************************************************* > > List Commands > > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > > ************************************************************* > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Attached files are not permitted on this list, attachment has been > removed. > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************

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#9. RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 for sale??? - from Donna Seeley
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:19:57 -0700 From: Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 for sale??? Those who went to the Monterey Historics: did anyone actually like the turquoise paint on the E46 M3? I'm looking for a goofy color to paint my '88 (no flames; it's goofy already), but that may be too far out. Donna ------- 88 M3, glorious Nissan Pearl White 95 330isA, glorious BMW Cosmos black http://www.stopyoucold.com

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#10. E46M3 photo spotted from Monterey - from Daniel Smith
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:43:34 -0700 From: Daniel Smith <dls@daniel.org> Subject: E46M3 photo spotted from Monterey http://www.nosubstitute.org/events/Monterey19Aug2000/DSCN0052.jpg Back up a level to see lots of good shots that someone from the Porsche list posted... (Chris Campbell) Daniel -- Daniel L. Smith - dls@daniel.org - Sonoma County, CA

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