E36M3 #493

Tuesday, September 05, 2000 20:58:57

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Race Tires - from Ron Katona
#2. Accutorq Torque Limiting Sockets - from Steve D'Gerolamo
#3. Re: [E36M3] Race Tires - from Sean Hester
#4. Re: [E36M3] Race Tires - from Sean Hester
#5. For Sale ORIGINAL BMW M3 spoiler - from Cesar Omar
#6. Kinesis Group Deal - from FAST4DR@aol.com
#7. Which M3 Year is best? - from Lew Becker
#8. Track Tire Pressures - MXX3 Tires?? - from Leff, Larry
#9. RE: Going off Trainee Status and my dealer experience - from ez4me2
#10. FS: JT-Designs E36 Rear-headrest camera mount - from vernon@sprynet.com

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Race Tires - from Ron Katona
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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:59:19 -0400 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race Tires Matt Henson wrote: > A set of Hoosiers, for example, only > lasts about 100 Runs at the most. That's about 20 > autocrosses with 60 second runs. Less than a year > with a two-driver car. Really they are only _good_ > for the first 75 runs. Yeah, I got 56 runs out of my first set. Of course, it's pretty meaningless to compare runs of various length under various conditions, but suffice it to say that you can use these puppies up fairly quickly. I've since learned that although the mostly vestigial Hoosier tread pattern is asymmetrical, the carcass is not. That means you can safely and effectively flip the tires on the rim to even out wear. This will increase life by maybe 25% or so. I hope to get 75 runs out of my current set. One thing I might disagree with a bit is the impression that if at 75 runs you start to feel they are going away, that you might get another 25 so-so runs out of them. When these things are done, they're really done. They go from world class race tires to _worse_ than street tires in just a few runs. The drop off is amazing. Apparently, the race rubber does not encase the carcass as it does on something like the old R1. That's to say that there's another thin layer of rubber over the cords that looks like good race rubber, but doesn't grip worth sh*t. I found that rubber on my last set. These tires are done before they ever show cord. If you can run some camber, flip the tires half way through their life, drive smoothly, and keep the pressures high, I suppose you might get 100 runs out of a set on an M3. If you're wondering why I bother with such fragile tires, well... these things are a joy! Grippy as velcro, yet predictable and forgiving. Also way lighter than Kumhos. Best tires I've ever driven by far. -- Ron "money's no object" Katona

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#2. Accutorq Torque Limiting Sockets - from Steve D'Gerolamo
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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:16:18 -0400 From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <steved3@idt.net> Subject: Accutorq Torque Limiting Sockets AccuTorq make the best ones in my opinion...they are made in Sweden (great spring steel). The individual socket (80 ft lbs, 17mm) should cost around $35.00 . Unless you're a shop, the sets dont make much sense. SD ========================================= Steve D'Gerolamo - The Ultimate Garage 201-262-0412 / steved3@idt.net / http://www.ultimategarage.com

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Race Tires - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:24:14 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race Tires >Actually, I suspect that minute for minute, road >racing is much less stressful on the whole car that >AutoX. Impacts notwithstanding. When was the last >time you dropped the clutch to start a road race? How >about 5 in 1 day? How often are you on the ABS? How >often do you let it bounce off the limiter for a few >seconds because the gear change isn't worth it? Road >courses can definatly be more wearing on the brakes >and could potentially make the engine run hotter but >no more so than you would if you could autocross >continuously. i'd have to do more math to get to a minute to minute breakdown. but at first glance it seems wierd. people pretty much say "go ahead and autocross your car, it won't hurt it (much)". on the other hand, people rebuild/replace alot of their moving parts on their race cars (engine, brakes, bearings, bushings, transmissions) at least once a year and maybe more. i guess it's a good thing one doesn't get much autocross time per event, huh? the fact that a day of autocross is 5 minutes of driving, and a race day is an hour of driving is the reason i don't autocross, but it sure makes the car's life expectancy longer at 5 minutes of hard use a day huh? ;-P _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Race Tires - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:29:53 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race Tires >If you're wondering why I bother with such fragile tires, well... these >things are a joy! Grippy as velcro, yet predictable and forgiving. Also >way lighter than Kumhos. Best tires I've ever driven by far. >-- >Ron "money's no object" Katona another "plus" to hoosiers (not at all related to autocrossing, but ESSENTIAL to road racing) is that they don't "go away" then heated up. if you do a half hour race on khumos, you get 10 good minutes, then you spend the rest of the race with "hot tires" that don't grip as well. you either have to "take it easy" for a while, then go at it again, or you'll eventually have tires so hot that they barely stick at all. hoosiers do that to a MUCH MUCH MUCH lower degree. so much so that for a half hour race, i don't even really notice it. THAT's a big plus. so, how do you deal with the fragility? don't use them much, of course!!! i pretty much only use the hoosiers for the race. for qualifying, i use some other tire, because i only need a few good laps. and for parctice i use old worn out tires because i learn more with "bad" tires then with good ones anyway. ;-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#5. For Sale ORIGINAL BMW M3 spoiler - from Cesar Omar
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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:34:49 -0400 From: "Cesar Omar" <cesar@cfl.rr.com> Subject: For Sale ORIGINAL BMW M3 spoiler For Sale ORIGINAL BMW M3 spoiler (WING), like new, Color Red (HELLROT) 314. Comes with the third brake light. This spoiler fits 92-98 2doors (3series) Bmw. For electronic picture please e-mail me at CESAR@CFL.RR.COM Price $200.00+ 39.00 for shipping.

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#6. Kinesis Group Deal - from FAST4DR@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:57:07 EDT From: FAST4DR@aol.com Subject: Kinesis Group Deal Anyone interested in a Kinesis group deal, please email me. Thanks. Dave

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#7. Which M3 Year is best? - from Lew Becker
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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:42:44 -0700 From: "Lew Becker" <lmbeckercfls@earthlink.net> Subject: Which M3 Year is best? Although all 95 M3's were E36's, the converse is not true -- the fact that the 95 325's and 318's were more reliable than their E36 predecessors and successors does not mean that the 95 M3's were more reliable than the 96+ M3's Lew Becker > Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:41:44 PDT > From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Which M3 Year is best? > > >Keith, > >Consumer Reports rated the 95 E36's as the > >"most reliable" among all E36's... > >Something to keep in mind... and also note that > >C.R. is a very *impartial* source, whereas many > >of the R&T and C&D staff look harder for more > >personal preferences rather than those of the > >general public. > > hmmm... i know of 5, 95 M3s that have warped their heads. and i know of > zero 96+ M3s that have done that. i know 95s came with plastic water pumps, > and weaker valve retainer clips, and a really stupid (prone to break) > radiator overflow bin. and there's probably dozens of other "improvements" > on the later cars. > > the head warping phenomenon could just be because of age. (95s are older, > maybe on 10 years we'll see that all M3s are just as prone to head warping > as 95s?) but the others things are not. i'd NEVER expect the first year of > a car to be the "most reliable". > > now... i know C.R. is impartial. and that it's all based on statistics. > but maybe the numbers are just not all in for the later years? if the > numbers show that 95 M3s are the most reliable M3 in ten years, (after > they've pretty much all come and gone, and numbers are totalled up) i'll eat > this computer i'm typing on. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. >

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#8. Track Tire Pressures - MXX3 Tires?? - from Leff, Larry
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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:56:09 -0400 From: "Leff, Larry" <lleff@Ajilon.com> Subject: Track Tire Pressures - MXX3 Tires?? Gang - While running my supercharged '95 @ Virginia International Raceway this weekend, I experienced a "push" in corners I was taking at less than 60mph. What are you track junkies running for tire pressure in your MXX3 tires (or comparable)? Thanks in advance - Larry Leff Sr. Account Manager Ajilon Office Phone: 781.272.7393 Cellular: 617.947.5822 FAX: 781.272.2433 Email: lleff@ajilon.com <mailto:lleff@ajilon.com>

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#9. RE: Going off Trainee Status and my dealer experience - from ez4me2
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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:56:02 -0400 From: "ez4me2" <ez4me2@mediaone.net> Subject: RE: Going off Trainee Status and my dealer experience "Subject: Re: [E36M3] Going off Trainee Status and my dealer experience (long) > ............I really think the tech is the > boss of the service adviser. And yes, sometimes the advisers dont listen. > "Neither the bmw tech nor the service advisor is "the boss" of the other...it is a TEAM effort. All positions are equally important." <snip> I have to disagree here. If I find an honest, knowledgeable mechanic that person is worth their weight in gold! The service advisor is just the guy/girl I have to go through to get to the star players... I don’t even get the impression that the SA’s at my dealer even care about BMW’s; only the mechanics appear to drive them. I have seen SA’s talk down to mechanics and use less than respectful tone of voice and it makes me mad. That SA who answers the phone and makes a few calls will no doubt be easier to replace than any decent mechanic. Disclaimer: Where I live the SA’s are not mechanics who have worked up the ladder, if they were I am sure I would have more respect for them.

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#10. FS:  JT-Designs E36 Rear-headrest camera mount - from vernon@sprynet.com
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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 21:55:48 -0400 From: vernon@sprynet.com Subject: FS: JT-Designs E36 Rear-headrest camera mount Mounts to the rear headrests of late-model E36's. Fully adjustable. Video quality is excellent. Used at 3 different BMW CCA schools and 2 Car Guys schools with no rule or tech hassles. All mounting hardware included. New cost $150, asking $100.00 Vern Anderson 98 M3/2

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