E36M3 #504

Saturday, September 09, 2000 21:28:43

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#1. Re: [E36M3] S-02 PPs - from Steve
#2. Spearco water injection - from Paul Elliott
#3. Re: [E36M3] Mixing tires... - from Donna Seeley
#4. Re: How much to get in line for E46 M3 - from Milotaks1@aol.com
#5. Re: Spearco - from Paul Elliott
#6. Re: OTC floor jack for M3 usage - from Neil Maller
#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: How much to get in line for E46 M3 - from Jim Powell
#8. RE: [E36M3]Tires for M3 Sedan - from Gil
#9. AIT Sensor (again) - from Paul Elliott
#10. M3 Springs on non-M car? - from Peter Guagenti

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#1. Re: [E36M3]  S-02 PPs - from Steve
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 20:07:36 +0100 From: "Steve" <snwellen@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] S-02 PPs Hi M3 lovers, in europe the Bridgestone S-02's have cleaned up at numerous comparison tests between tyres. I've been running them for some time and found them to be good in the dry and good in the wet but with the caviat that as always in the wet you need to be smooth with the throttle. The ride and noise are perfectly acceptable for such a good performer. I expect to get over 30,000 miles from the fronts but have replaced the rears already at 11,000 miles. But it's been over a decade since I've done better than 12,000 miles on my rears in any car so I accept the 11,000 as average. One final note I found the rears need .3 bar above factory recommendations if you want even wear across the tread. Otherwise expect all four edges at the rear to go first. I feel the PPs are worth the money.

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#2. Spearco water injection - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:37:52 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: Spearco water injection Matt, >>I've seen turbo cars running WI increase their boost from >>17psi to 22psi with the same fuel and timing. I'm sure increasing the boost is a prime advantage of running WI...In my case, I'd realize a substantial power advantage just by allowing the WI to counter the power robbing effects of heat soak, which, on days of over 80 degrees, is deadly for power production in Supercharged engines.....In addition, the Dinan software, as it should, retards the timing more than the NA cars in response to hi IAT readings. The benefit of WI, even running the same boost, would come from cooler IATs allowing the engine to perform less timing retard, plus allowing denser air to be combusted...We shouldnt disregard the extra high under-hood temps which result from running forced induction, leading to much more heat soak than in our NA associates! Combined with the extra timing retard, which the software dictates to prevent detonation under boost, WI is a natural. I wouldnt be surprised to see up to an additional 50 hp developing, with no change in pulley size, even! No, not 50 hp more than the quoted 354, which is only developed in prime weather conditions, ie, nice cool air, but rather, up to 50 more hp than can accurately be recorded in over 85 degree conditions, with maximum heat soak...That's when it should really shine. ____________________________ Paul Elliott '99 Alpine White M3; <20000 mi; Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage II Supercharger; Stygar Short Shift Kit and clutch stop; Skaags pedals

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Mixing tires... - from Donna Seeley
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Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:43:39 -0700 From: Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Mixing tires... I recently had a front tire (Yoko A032R) go bad and couldn't get another in time for a track event. Trying to avoid buying a whole new set, I asked Bill Arnold if I could leave the Yoks on the back and put Toyos on the front. He freaked and said "No! The handling would be psychotic!" Sounds like he was right again. Donna 0=00=0 http://www.stopyoucold.com > > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:38:55 -0700 > From: "juan_rico" <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> > Subject: Mixing tires... > > > Is anyone out there mixing tires? I've just mounted brand new SP 9000's > in the rear and still running my Michelins MXX3 up front. I thought > I'd get away with this on a temporal basis... WRONG! How does the car > handle? > It's an absolute nightmare. The car swerves, darts and is just downright > scary. > Is this because of the different tread or could it be that somehow my > alignment > just went berserk? Tirerack advises not to mix different brands and > patterns, > but I always thought this was for liability reasons on their part... > Can it really have such a drastic effect? I've had AVS Sports with SP 9000's > before > and never had a problem. Maybe because they both have a groove pattern. > Now I'm stuck with forking over another $550 for two SP 9000's... > Any ideas? > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > >

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#4. Re: How much to get in line for E46 M3 - from Milotaks1@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:11:51 EDT From: Milotaks1@aol.com Subject: Re: How much to get in line for E46 M3 I was at the local dealership today, the manager said coupe M3's will arrive November or December, and to my complete surprise said he was getting convertible M3's in Jan or Feb. Personally, I wouldn't mind a convertible at all. The only problem is that they are 10k more. Also, since no one heard that they will be out so soon, no one has placed orders with refundable depoisits. So many are waiting to be snagged. My father's lease on the SL 600 is coming to an end, and I was trying to get him into a BMW. We looked at the new convertible 330ci. Very, very nice, but I was disappointed with the power. I thought it was going to be nearly as fast as my M, but I guess from the weight and all it was much slower. Still a gorgeous car. Milo PS- sorry to have upset Mr. "Jim <== Divining rod for boneheads" but since I am only 17 yrs old they nearly never allow me to go to any driver's schools or most autocrosses, so the dragstrip gives me a nice taste of the track. I had fun and I learned. And that's what I am all about.

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#5. Re: Spearco - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:54:30 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: Re: Spearco Paul, >>On your Dinan SC kit, I'd actually recommend going with a Spearco Air/Water intercooler (like the RMS Stage II kit). Basically, you'd need the IC, an electric waterpump, a heat exchanger (like an oil cooler), some hose and some new piping bent to fit. Easy to do<< Actually, intercooler would be my first choice...However, ever since the research has shown me that Dinan had to essentially abandon their intercooler development project for retrofitting purposes, I've been very cautious...In their development process, they found all kinds of overheating problems, forcing the design and redeployment of all kinds of new ducting..Moreover, if you look at their supercharged and intercooled roadster written about recently in Roundel and Road and Track, you'll also all kinds of additional parts, like oil coolers, being employed. And, the install has gotten so out of hand, that anybody desiring a retro fit has to send their Dinan supercharger equipped M3 out to their facilities in Cal for in house installation ONLY. And, forget about the price....its more than their sC kit! all caused by the redesigns theyve had to implement to make it the kind of vehicle they're comfortable backing. Not for me! Now, I know rMS has a water/air system for under about $3k, however I've read that theyve only sold very few of them. moreover, they have no distributors, installers, etc around teh country to deal with installation issues, problems which may ensue, etc, etc. Also not for me...I need an intercooler, which has national support, and has been developed for, and tested with supercharged M3s. I dont want to be a beta tester for someone's product. And, if one doesnt exist, then so be it...I'm not exactly power poor with my current setup...it just would be nice to be able to develop all 350 hp year round, except only on days when its below 75 degrees or so, so the power robbing effects of heat soak are kept at bay. Thanks. _____________________________ Paul Elliott '99 Alpine White M3; <20000 mi; Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage II Supercharger; Stygar Short Shift Kit and clutch stop; Skaags pedals

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#6. Re:  OTC floor jack for M3 usage - from Neil Maller
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Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 18:18:14 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: OTC floor jack for M3 usage on 9/9/00 13:58, "Richard Sperry" <richardsperry@home.com> wrote: > > Ok. I just have to ask. WTF is up with Lincoln floor jacks?( $300?) What's > wrong with the $79, 2 1/4 ton Pep Boys item ? Yeah it weighs a lot, but so > what? It works and has never let me down ( so to speak). You want a light > weight, quick action jack? Buy a NASCAR jack. Now that would look really > trick in your garage. The advantage of the Lincoln, and other similar models, is that they have a very low lift height - typically less than 4" - a high lift and a similarly long reach. If you think about the leverage involved, all of those things are harder to build in, and require a heavier frame and better hydraulics. All that adds cost. Worth it for some people, not for others. I own a couple of $40 cheapie jacks too, but once you've used a good jack, you won't go back. Neil 96 M3

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: How much to get in line for E46 M3 - from Jim Powell
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Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 17:29:15 -0700 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: How much to get in line for E46 M3 Ah, explains alot. In a good way. But I still say what you learned that was most useful was from me. You are going to be out serious money in no time at all. Start saving unless your daddy feeds your need for speed. Milo, you are screwing the car up bad. I'm not kidding. Milotaks1@aol.com wrote: > PS- sorry to have upset Mr. "Jim <== Divining rod for boneheads" but since I > am only 17 yrs old they nearly never allow me to go to any driver's schools > or most autocrosses, so the dragstrip gives me a nice taste of the track. I > had fun and I learned. And that's what I am all about.

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#8. RE: [E36M3]Tires for M3 Sedan - from Gil
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:14:13 -0400 From: "Gil" <gpasswat@dmv.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3]Tires for M3 Sedan Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:11:02 -0500 From: "Jeff Kumler" <jdkumler@comdisco.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Mixing tires... I run Bridgestone RE71's (rear) and Bridgestone RE730's (front) with no ill effects. And, the tread pattern on those 2 tires are radically different. YMMV. Jeff I also run Bridgestone RE730's on the rear with mxx3's on the front, no ill effects. The RE730's seem great so far. The Tire Rack ranks them very high in their testing. They don't seem quite as wide, but it could be just me.. (wider is better.... :-)). I do not know if the width is the same, maybe someone could ask the Tire Rack before you order to see if the 255's would fit properly. Gil, M3 Sedan (Bostonian Green)

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#9. AIT Sensor (again) - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:25:21 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: AIT Sensor (again) Le, >>Thanks to Matt Henson for pointing me at the air intake sensor, which I take to be the disk I see clipped to the outboard side of the brake duct.<< I dont think so....If its a '95, its on the air box...If its an OBDII model, its in the intake manifold. What's on the brake duct is the out side air temp sensor, but it has no impact to the running of your car. _____________________________ Paul Elliott '99 Alpine White M3; <20000 mi; Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage II Supercharger; Stygar Short Shift Kit and clutch stop; Skaags pedals

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#10. M3 Springs on non-M car? - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:24:22 -0700 From: "Peter Guagenti" <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: M3 Springs on non-M car? I am wondering if the springs off of my '95 M3 will fit my '96 328i. Has anyone done this? Are there any necessary modifications? Someone had mentioned that the tops of the springs are different, so you have to also change strut hats. What about the bottoms of the springs? I have a set of Koni adjustables on the car that I'd like to keep, but I'm interested in using those springs. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. -peterg

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