E36M3 #506

Sunday, September 10, 2000 13:49:12

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Supersprint exhaust - from Chester Wong
#2. Re: [E36M3] Issues at the track - from Steven Hazard
#3. Re: [E36M3] Supersprint exhaust - from Gerry Miranda
#4. Auto-x results - from Ron Katona
#5. Eibach Sway Bar GP Update - from Rob Buckalew
#6. [E36M3] Warped or... ? - from twisty M3
#7. Re: [E36M3] How much to get in line for E46 M3 - from Sean Hester
#8. Re: [E36M3] Issues at the track - from Sean Hester
#9. Re: [E36M3] Issues at the track - from Sean Hester
#10. [E36M3] Warped or... ? - from twisty M3
#11. Lincoln floor jacks - from Dorffer, Rich

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#1.  Supersprint exhaust - from Chester Wong
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:35:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: <WTB or trade> Supersprint exhaust Hi guys. Just wondering if someone has a Supersprint straight tip exhaust sitting around for a '99 M3. Guess what happened to my AA exhaust. Time to give it the heave ho... BTW, does anyone know the weights of the Supersprint, AA, and stock? I'm wondering if the Supersprint is lighter than the AA. Thanks for the bandwidth, Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Issues at the track - from Steven Hazard
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 05:45:55 -0500 From: "Steven Hazard" <98m3@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Issues at the track I agree with Matt's launch RPM's even with Auto X rubber....A good start can save critical time in a Auto X run. I find 2500 RPMS to be easily repeatable .....but closer to 3K will yield slightly quicker launches....It's just tougher to get the clutch slippage right :-) at 3K... I hope Milo's clutch & flywheel are ok......It sure sounded like you overheated the pressure plate on that "bonehead" run..which it was BTW :-( Hopefully you did not warp, or hotspot your flywheel. If I were you Milo I'd take my car to a good steep hill, upshift it to 4th gear at 1500 RPMS(ie... lug it) and floor the gas pedal up the hill. If you've done any damage to the clutch/flywheel it surely will let you know going up that hill! IE... MAJOR SLIPPING! Hope that's not the case..................... Regards, Steve Matt posted> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Issues at the track Ouch! Well.. the M3 clutch is pretty tough. And nowhere near as expensive as a Porsche unit. You'll probably get the best 1/4 mile time with a 2900-3200RPM launch, at least with street tires. Just drop the clutch. If you start to slip the clutch on the launch it will usually slip all the way through the gear, causing excessive wear and high times. A good launch shouldn't be all that bad. Just look at it this way.. all us crazy autocrossers do it 6 times an event. I learned most of this by trial and error. Once I was armed with a G-tech and cartest it was much less painful. My car has 50k on the origional clutch, about 8k with a turbo and a lead foot. -Matt

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#3. Re: [E36M3]  Supersprint exhaust - from Gerry Miranda
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 06:22:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Gerry Miranda <gerry_miranda@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WTB or trade> Supersprint exhaust SS straight tip exhausy I had weighs 34.5 lbs --- Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:35:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: <WTB or trade> Supersprint exhaust > > Hi guys. Just wondering if someone has a > Supersprint straight tip exhaust > sitting around for a '99 M3. Guess what happened to > my AA exhaust. Time to > give it the heave ho... > > BTW, does anyone know the weights of the > Supersprint, AA, and stock? I'm > wondering if the Supersprint is lighter than the AA. > > Thanks for the bandwidth, > Chester > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > > ===== Gerry 97 M3/4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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#4. Auto-x results - from Ron Katona
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:11:01 -0400 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Auto-x results Thought these were interesting results to post from a local actocross because of the format and some of the cars in attendance. This was a DC region SCCA autocross held at the Jefferson Circuit of Summit Point Raceway. The course pretty much followed the racing line through the corners with some slaloms on the straights. There was also a drag strip start with timers giving the 0-600 foot (60' short of 1/8th mile) time. So, in one event, you get a ~1/8 mile drag strip, a mini road course time trial, and an autocross rolled into one. Pretty good indication of the overall ability of these cars in a real world test. Unfortunately, there was a timing glitch with the 0-600' times for the first 30 cars: <http://solo.wdcr-scca.org/Events/Results/summitpoint2.htm> A few notes: Because of the size of the course and the number of entrants, there was no walk through. The first run was timed, but not scored; that was your walk through! The top two Corvettes in BP are basically Lingenfelter 383s. I was hitting 75-80 mph by the drag strip timers, they were probably up over 90. The 2001 'Vette in SS is a bone-stock, brand new, Z06. Note that it's faster than the ZR1 in BP! The driver, Jim Howard, is taking this car to nationals for the fun of it. The car isn't eligible for official scoring this year since it's a 2001 model. He would have had FTD had he not coned. This car is going to be tough in SS if that's where it ends up. I pity you poor E46 M3 drivers. ;-) The Porsche 911T in ASP launched like it was being catapulted off the deck of the freakin' Nimitz! The Audi S4 in AS is faster in a straight line than my M3 with Conforti chip and intake, but then again AWD launches help a lot. Didn't look too great in the corners, but that looks like driver error. Note how inconsistent the AS S2000's 0-600' time is. Tough car to launch well with its peaky powerband. Look at CP. That ain't no normal '85 535i, is it Bill? <g> Also, the Dodge GLH Turbo in CP is the famous One Lap car from many years ago. It's actually two wrecked cars welded together. Runs 13s in the 1/4. Wasn't running too well on this day though. Lastly, the E36 M3 is going to be tough in Solo-II SP trim for some time to come no matter what class it ends up in. Still a great car six years after its introduction. -- Ron Katona

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#5. Eibach Sway Bar GP Update - from Rob Buckalew
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:27:07 -0400 From: Rob Buckalew <robuc@bellsouth.net> Subject: Eibach Sway Bar GP Update Hello Folks! Allow me to introduce myself, my name is Rob Buckalew and I am the owner of Top Notch Auto Accessories in Duluth (Atlanta) GA. Although I don't own an M3, I asked Sue to register me here so I could post some information regarding the current GP on the Eibach Sway Bars. The bars were scheduled to hit the country this last week, but unfortunately have been delayed now until the second week of October. I am checking with them now about an air freight order on just these sway bars, but to be honest, it will probably be too expensive for me to do and keep the $300.00 price. Even with me bringing them in like this, we are still looking at a couple of weeks to get them to you. As an option, I would like to offer anyone interested the Racing Dynamics sway bar package at the same $300.00 GP price. The RD bars are 27mm front / 22mm rear, adjustable and come with new end links as well. I will be more than happy to change your order to the RD or leave it as is and wait for the Eibach bars to come in, the choice is yours. Also, because of this unexpected delay, I understand completely if you decide to cancel your order. I wish I had better news for you all on this, and I hope you understand that it was not my intention to mislead anyone regarding the availability of these bars. Please feel free to call me at 800.841.5394 or e-mail me at <mailto:rob@topnotchauto.com> and let me know if you plan to wait, go with the RD, or cancel your order. I appreciate your time and the chance to work with you on this or anything we carry. Just be sure to mention this list or BMWMPOWER.COM when you call or e-mail. We will be glad to offer member discounts on our entire product line with a portion of the sales donated to Sue in support of her web site and this list. Thank you, Rob <http://www.topnotchauto.com>

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#6. [E36M3] Warped or... ? - from twisty M3
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:29:50 PDT From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Warped or... ? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#7. Re: [E36M3] How much to get in line for E46 M3 - from Sean Hester
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:13:25 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How much to get in line for E46 M3 >So > >After buying an E36 M3, I figured I am going to try to complete the set >and get an E46 M3. > >My local dealer says that there is a 1 year waitlist at the minimum. >Does anyone know how much it costs to get in line for one. > >Of course after the E46, I will be looking to get an E30 next ;-) it depends on the dealer. two local dealers in seattle want $1000 for a spot. one will put you on for free. guess which one i got on? ;-) they told me to expect a year or a year and a half. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Issues at the track - from Sean Hester
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:18:37 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Issues at the track > Yesterday I went up to the local dragstrip, Moroso, for a simple night >of >test and tune, which turned out into a nightmare. First pass I ran 14.2 >which is pretty good for my car and on the second pass there were problems. >I usually launch at about 3k, but this time I decide to do a "super" launch >and I rode the gas up to 6-7k with out being off the clutch. OUCH! I >notice this and immediately go into second gear at like 20 mph or so, but >second gear only ingages half way almost like I had the clutch pedal in >half >way, so again I go to third with the same results, so I just coast through >with a 18.5, and broke down into tears j/k. The car reeked of clutch for >about an hour or so. It was bad. So what do you guys think about 20k of >the >life of my clutch? It ran just fine on the way home. you had "clutch fade" just like alot of people get "brake fade". the parts get hot, then they don't have any friction. you probably rode a few thousand miles off of it in that two seconds of "fun". and put a pretty big "scar" in it if you were to take it apart and look. now that it's cooled off it'll be fine, just a few thousand miles older. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Issues at the track - from Sean Hester
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:24:40 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Issues at the track >Start saving your pennies. You've put the first box of nails in the >coffin lid on that clutch. Bought a new flywheel lately? You may be >doing it soon. You can't refinish this one. Did you know that? When >the car is up in the air for the clutch, have them check the rear >differential mounts too. eep! so much doom and gloom! i did that very thing to my 95 M3s clutch two times. though i never took it to a drag strip, i just messed up two times when i was in a hurry, and overslipped it. but... despite those two times, the cluth on my 95 (the same car, that if you know my history, was at the track 50 times, warped a head, killed 3 vanos gears, killed the entire suspension, killed lots of other parts) lasted the entire life of the car. 89,000 miles on the original clutch. with 50 track days. that's pretty good i though. EVEN though i did that "box of nails" things twice. i suppose if you keep dragging it you're asking for trouble. but one or two times does not spell the end of yout clucth. if you use it properly for the other 88,998 miles of it's life. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#10. [E36M3] Warped or... ? - from twisty M3
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:47:31 PDT From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Warped or... ? (sorry if I sent out a blank post before this one) Ok, I have to be honest. In the past, I hadn't paid all that much attention to the post regarding warped rotors because I didn't think I'd have to worry about that for a looooong time. Unfortunately, that loooong time turned out to be pretty short. I *think* I warped 'em at Willowsprings yesterday but thought I'd check with the list first... When I brake lightly, there's no sounds or strange feelings but there's definitely not as much bite as before so the car's a bit harder to stop (especially cold at 3 a.m.) When I use more breaking force there's a pulsating sensation (not at all like ABS) and a very obvious "thb, thb, thb, thb" sound. When visually inspection them, the *appear* to be in "shape" but they are discolored (black streaks) in spots (looks like the black marks I ended up with all over the car from flying, melted chunks of rubber at the track). Also, when I got off the track, the rotors looked "slimy," like melted rubber somewhat. I did the requisite cool down laps, didn't use the parking brake and made it a point to drive around the paddock for a few minutes after getting off (at least after the last two sessions anyway). The temp was in the high 90s so I suppose that would have some effect on the cooling down process. I know warped rotors is pretty common so I'm sure that's probably it but I do recall someone mentioning before that there can sometimes be "build up" of some sorts on the rotors and that can eventually be scrubbed off. Based on my symptoms, what's the consensus? If warped, aside from the extra breaking distance I should give myself just incase, how safe/unsafe is it to drive with them in this condition? Is it generally just the fronts that would need to be replaced? As an aside, if a tire were unbalanced, would that be noticeable under braking or just at speed? (I noticed some wheel weights near my car in the pits but it didn't look like they came of mine). Thanks! Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#11. Lincoln floor jacks - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:48:55 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Lincoln floor jacks Sorry about any confusion I may have caused regarding the manufacturing origin of Lincoln jacks. I should have stuck to speaking strictly about the Lincoln W93642 as I had less credible information on the USA 2000 Eagle Series. Thanks Jeff for tracking down an accurate response from Lincoln. I have seen Lincoln W93642 models made in Taiwan with two-piece handles which said "Made in the USA". They were not made in the USA though. I am not sure who is responsible for attaching a sticker that says "Made in the USA". Maybe the sticker needs domestic content information like automobiles do? All I really wanted to do was enlighten people that there were W93642's out there which were not made in the USA as Greg found out in his original post "OTC floor jack for M3 usage". Again, sorry for any confusion I may have caused. In summary (courtesy of Jeff Kumler): - The USA 2000 Eagle Series sold by Pep Boys, Sears and others were all made in the United States. They do have a two piece handle. These jacks are not the same as the Lincoln W93642 as they do not have the flanged sides and are not quite as strong as the W93642 model and only come with a three-year warranty. - CJ5000 sold by Costco was also made in the US and had a two piece handle. - The Lincoln W93642's have been coming out of Taiwan since January of this year. This is also true for the NAPA 91-642. - Lincoln is nearing production of a new made in USA model W93652 that will be a three ton model. This production will begin in October and the jack will be available in November. Regards, Rich

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