E36M3 #513

Monday, September 11, 2000 21:58:46

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#1. e43 m3 wheel sizes - from Dale Beuning
#2. RE: [E36M3] which tranny oil again? (redline) - from Jim Bassett
#3. Re: [E36M3] Track Tires, Again... - from b watts
#4. Re: [E36M3] RE: [M3LTW] Any Solution to Fuel Starvation? - from NickG
#5. That pesky AIT sensor! - from Paul Elliott
#6. RE: [E36M3] : Sold M3, bought 330ci - from Captain Hags
#7. RE: [M3LTW] Any Solution to Fuel Starvation? - from Bob Stommel
#8. Re: [E36M3] Track Tires, Again... - from Sean Hester
#9. First AutoCross Experience! - from F. Graziano
#10. For Sale: 6 Point Harnesses - from rossb77@juno.com

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#1. e43 m3 wheel sizes - from Dale Beuning
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Dale Beuning <dalus@eskimo.com> Subject: e43 m3 wheel sizes I checked out the E46 M3 last Friday at Portland ALMS races. According to the BMW Rep, the wheels are 18x8 with 225 ??r18 in front and 18x9 with 255 ??r18 in the rear. The pre-prod prototype has Pilot Sports. The weight will be more then the e36 m3, I suspect 200 lbs increase, he wouldn't give an exact number. Sunroof will be optional. I hate the Laguna Seca Blue color of this car. I loved the steering wheel. Brake ducts: These are big enough that I could stick my arm into it all the way up to my elbow! Serious increase in airflow to the front brakes. The wood trim on this pre-prod car is not what will be on the actual car, but it won't be the brushed aluminum of the M5 either. Check out http://www.bmwaca.org/e46m3/ for my pics of the car. Dale Beuning '95 M3 BMWACA Puget Sound webmaster -- ----------------------------------- | Dale Beuning | | email: dale@unofficialbmw.com | | web: http://www.unofficialbmw.com | -----------------------------------

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#2. RE: [E36M3] which tranny oil again? (redline) - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:42:20 -0700 From: "Jim Bassett" <jbassett@mayannetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] which tranny oil again? (redline) > appologies in advance. completely forgot which oil the M3 5sp manual > gearbox takes. cooworker is going to pick up the tab for some redline for > me in return for autox time. how much should I tell him to get? I've > heard of redline ATF, but forgot which one exactly offhand. > > I'm in bay area, CA, so mild winters and relatively mild summers. I've been using Red Line D4-ATF in my gearbox, also here in the SF Bay Area. Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - Red Line fluids whereever possible

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Track Tires, Again... - from b watts
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:44:20 -0400 From: "b watts" <wattba02@wfu.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Track Tires, Again... Sean wrote: > first off... OLD R1s were great driver school tires. it's the g-force R1s > that suck. I don't know why the majority seems to think this! I am the only one who thinks otherwise? I used brand new G-Force R1s on my car at the last driving school I went to. After two days of driving in the A Group, I still have TREAD showing on the G-Forces!! Show me a Hoosier that will do that! Noted, my car is a race car, so it is fairly light (2870), and has plenty of camber for even tire wear. > second off... for driver schools i think the yokos are the best choice. > definetly not the best performance, but they're pretty forgiving I'll agree with you there. Plus they are cheap. Although, if you race, it's nice to be able to use schools to figure out optimum tire pressures and suspension settings, so using the same tire is a must. > third off... yes the hoosier (and the goodyear gscs) are the "best" > performing tires. but for non-competitive events i don't think they're > worth it. I'm going to disagree here. I have seen and heard actual test data that proves this to be wrong. I recieved this information from a friend who tests race tires for Michelin/BFG (from R-compounds to the LeMans Vipers...the team even has a LTW that they use for testing). Sure, you could say that he is lying because he works for BFG, but I know him personally and trust his assessment. According to him, the G-Force is simply not as easy to drive at the limit as the other choices are. BUT, if someone has enough to skill (which he does) to keep the tires at the precise slip angle needed, the G-Forces actually grip better and last longer (as in, more laps before "going away") than the Hoosiers and Goodyears. Like I said, I have had nothing but great experience with the new G-Force compound both on my KP/ITS 325 and on my dad's HP LTW. Give them a try at least once before you completely dismiss them based on other's experiences. We all have different driving styles (there are some of us who have never warped rotors on the track, and some of us warp rotors just looking at the car in the driveway), and thus different tires may fit our needs better. So, get some BFG's and try them out. Be sure to get the compound that suites your needs. The newest compound is made more for cars with plenty of camber and stiffer suspensions, from very set-up street cars to race cars, while the older compound is better for cars with closer to stock suspensions. Obviously, from the discussion here, YMMV, but for me, the tire of choice is the BFG. -Bryan Watts 95 M3...retired from track duties, was shod w/ 245/40-17 Hoo$ier$ 92 325is KP/ITS...245/40-17 and 225/50-15 BFG's, depending on the series

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#4. Re: [E36M3] RE: [M3LTW] Any Solution to Fuel Starvation? - from NickG
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:55:29 -0400 From: "NickG" <nikog@MediaOne.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: [M3LTW] Any Solution to Fuel Starvation? > I have heard that you can add a second fuel pump to the gas tank. I don't > know any of the specifics for it but I think Chuck Stickley has done this to > his. You might try giving him a call at ERT if you have any questions on > it. While I haven't tried adding a second fuel pump, it does sound possible. The E36 fuel tank has two level senders, one on each side of the car/tank. The passenger's side unit contains the fuel pump and one sender, and the driver's side unit has only a sender. Both openings in the tank appear to have the same dimensions and bolt pattern. One could probably replace the driver's side unit with a combination pump/sender (like on the pass. side), then somehow connect the two pump outputs together to feed the engine. Nick '95 M3

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#5. That pesky AIT sensor! - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:32:40 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: That pesky AIT sensor! >>The temperature sensor in the intake manifold seems too far downstream to measure air temperature at intake, inasmuch as the intake manifold becomes hot during operation. << That's the one! _____________________________ Paul Elliott '99 Alpine White M3; <20000 mi; Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage II Supercharger; Stygar Short Shift Kit and clutch stop; Skaags pedals

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#6. RE: [E36M3] : Sold M3, bought 330ci - from Captain Hags
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:34:47 EDT From: "Captain Hags" <captainhags@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] : Sold M3, bought 330ci Well Bob, If you did that, an E36 M3 would still be a better car in my opinion. I don't want to start any flames, but in addition to the greater power, better handling and prestige of the M badge, there is also, in my eyes, the much better looks of an E36. Call me biased... Chris '95 M3 >From: Robert Jackowitz <RJackowitz@HARVPART.COM> >Reply-To: Robert Jackowitz <RJackowitz@HARVPART.COM> >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] : Sold M3, bought 330ci >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:08:32 -0500 > >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:00:10 -0400 >From: Robert Jackowitz <RJackowitz@HARVPART.COM> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] : Sold M3, bought 330ci > The 330 however, with >its 225 hp, will be no threat to the E36M3. It just seemed to lack that >top-end power, more than one would think a difference of 15hp would. I then >discovered that the 330 has a 2.93 rear-end and wondered whether the this >was by design in order to keep the 330 at a safe distance >(performance-wise) >from the E36M3. > >But, what if you took that 330 and changed out the rear to the 3.38 from >the >automatic? Hmmm..... > >Rob > > >************************************************************* >List Commands >UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >************************************************************* > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#7. RE: [M3LTW] Any Solution to Fuel Starvation? - from Bob Stommel
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:53:04 -0500 From: Bob Stommel <rstommel@iquest.net> Subject: RE: [M3LTW] Any Solution to Fuel Starvation? The fuel tank in the E36 M3 is split into two tanks with a connecting hose between the two. Only the passenger side tank has a fuel pump in it. Fuel starvation is usually encountered after a long sweeping right hander which allows the remaining fuel in the passenger tank to flow to the driver side tank. Then the fuel cuts out on the next left hand turn. The solution is to install a second pump in the driver side tank. Several of the performance shops working on E36 cars have experience doing this. Bob Stommel 97 M3 street 88 M3 race

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Track Tires, Again... - from Sean Hester
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:39:09 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Track Tires, Again... >it's the g-force R1s that suck. > >I don't know why the majority seems to think this! I am the only one who >thinks otherwise? I used brand new G-Force R1s on my car at the last >driving school I went to. After two days of driving in the A Group, I >still >have TREAD showing on the G-Forces!! Show me a Hoosier that will do that! i admit i oversimplified... sure, g forces last a long time, and grip great, but they are "hard" (and un-fun) to drive. (you said this later) for driver schools i think this is a BAD BAD BAD trait. you've got plenty to learn without having to deal with tires that are a pain to use. (impossible to use unless you have the pressures perfect) i've been doing this a while, and still haven't learned to use gforces right. i'd not want to have students i instruct dealing with yet another unpredictible variable. i'd recommend g-forces for RACING (if you want to mess with them alot) but i'd NEVER recommend them for a driver school. >Although, if you race, >it's nice to be able to use schools to figure out optimum tire pressures >and >suspension settings, so using the same tire is a must. if you're using driver schools for test and tune (which i do) you're right. when i say "driver school" i'm usually referring to "students", the ones that still have lots to learn. > > third off... yes the hoosier (and the goodyear gscs) are the "best" > > performing tires. but for non-competitive events i don't think they're > > worth it. > >I'm going to disagree here. I have seen and heard actual test data that >proves this to be wrong. sorry... i'm so used to not including g-forces on my list of "driver school" tires, that i left them off the "perform best" list. i DO think that if you spend the time (many months) getting used to g-forces (meaning set up, like pressures, camber, etc and ALSO learning hhow to drive them (it's not like every other tire)) then they probably DO perform the best. at least that's what i've heard. like i said above. i've tried them and, as of yet, have not learned how to use them. so for me they aren't the best performing. maybe i'm not "good enough" to know how to use them. i don't doubt that if i spent enough time, i could make them perform well. though... i hear that even when they perform well they aren't "fun" to drive. P.S. every other tire (i've used r1s, khumos, toyos, yokos, hoosiers, and gscs) has taken me about one day to learn. >According to him, the G-Force is >simply not as easy to drive at the limit as the other choices are. BUT, if >someone has enough to skill (which he does) to keep the tires at the >precise >slip angle needed, the G-Forces actually grip better and last longer (as >in, >more laps before "going away") than the Hoosiers and Goodyears. that's the kind of quote that makes me tell "students" not to try them. call me "arrogant" but if i can't figure out how to use them, i don't want students i'm trying to teach trying to use them. ;-P >Give them a try at >least once before you completely dismiss them based on other's > >experiences. your chance of liking any non g-force tire mentioned here is about 99%. they all rule (compared to street tires). based on the 20 people i know who have tried g-forces, i'd put your chance of liking g-forces at 5%. that seems like a pretty big risk to take, spending $800 for a set of tires that you may hate. again... if you're an experienced racer, looking for that tiny (and it IS tiny) bit of extra performance, try a set. (i did) but if you're a student that's never driven anything but street tires, i think you're taking a BIG chance. both financially (since you may hate them and change to something else) and physically (since you may total your M3 because they are so "unfriendly"). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#9. First AutoCross Experience! - from F. Graziano
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:48:40 -0400 From: "F. Graziano" <fgraziano@monmouth.com> Subject: First AutoCross Experience! well yesterday (Sunday) i participated in my first AutoX. The W&B hosted the event i think. The course was pretty tough (from what the veterans were telling me). Many thanks to Dave Ngo who actually talked me into running, Thanks again Dave, ps. my 2nd gear is fine :). I had a phenomenal time and am definately doing it again. Most importantly i learned a LOT about my car and hope to only improve. Required BMW Content: M3's RULE! Frank

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#10. For Sale: 6 Point Harnesses - from rossb77@juno.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:59:07 -0500 From: rossb77@juno.com Subject: For Sale: 6 Point Harnesses 2 Sets of red TRW Sabelt Harness in excellent condition. E-mail me privately if interested at RossB77@Juno.com $160.00 for both sets! Ross Brown 95 SC M3

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