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#1. RE: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the clutch) - from Sean Hester
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:22:46 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the clutch) >Ok so here is a question for all you brake masters: > >Several people mentioned you don't need to bleed your clutch as often cause >the fluid doesn't get as hot. Well if both the clutch and the brakes get >fluid from the same place how are they not mixed? Or am I missing something >here? the fluid doesn't ciurculate (like oil or coolant). it might travel a couple inches, but not far. pretty much all hydraulic systems work like that. heck... if it circulated, you'd only have to bleed from one point, instead of five. ;-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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#2. Useless E46 M3 info - from nabli@attglobal.net
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:12:41 -0400 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: Useless E46 M3 info It's Friday's useless info hour. Projected M3 Coupe production for the first model year is ~5800 and another ~1200 Convertibles to be in production approx. 2-3 months after the Coupe arrives. So how do you know if you will get one if you're on a waiting list? According to one BMW exec. (can't name him) he said take your allocation of M5s that you have already been given and double it for the M3. So if a dealer only got 3 M5s for the first M.Y. then he should expect 6 M3s. Rationale? There were presumably 2800 M5 for the first M.Y. and you get the picture from here. :-) Usual disclaimers apply: This release contains forward-looking statements, which involve substantial risks and uncertainties. The actual results and performance could differ materially from those expressed or implied in this release. :-)
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Ice9-wounded - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Ice9-wounded What I'd like to know is why there is so much crap all over the place. Is that normal or is it a result of the failed piston? Thanks for any input, Chester --- "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> wrote: > Ouch. > > I wonder if perhaps you had a retainer fail, which led to a valve > dropping into the motor. > > Not su sure about the "missing" piston, though ... ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Ice9-wounded - from John Van Houten
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:46:31 -0500 From: "John Van Houten" <jvanhouten@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Ice9-wounded By "crap" if you mean all the oil, etc., I think it is the result of the piston going. There was tons of oil in the coolant and vice versa. You should have seen how much oil (and chunks of aluminum) was drained out of the intake manifold. I'm sure I have bits all the way to the exhaust. John 95M3 "Ice9" - wounded ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chester Wong" <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Ice9-wounded > Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Ice9-wounded > > What I'd like to know is why there is so much crap all over the place. Is that > normal or is it a result of the failed piston? > > Thanks for any input, > Chester > > --- "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> wrote: > > Ouch. > > > > I wonder if perhaps you had a retainer fail, which led to a valve > > dropping into the motor. > > > > Not su sure about the "missing" piston, though ... > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > >
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Ice9-wounded - from Dave Spragg
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:51:51 -0400 From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Ice9-wounded Bummer John, It looks like that head gasket was on it's way out in more than one place as well. I just replaced one in my new 330 for $1650 and they said it was a good thing I stopped when I did. The mentioned this was a "cheap" repair and that the "real" bills come when big things go down the breathing chute... which may be what happened here or something came loose and took a mean ride for a few seconds. In my case they said when a supercharger goes it can spill it's guts right into the engine and kablewy... same spot you are. Take some even better shots of that head gasket and put them up too. When I get some shots of my old one I will post them on my site as well. Good luck with the plan... too bad there isn't a class for a 328 motor in ICE9 since you would really be the similar to ITS but likely not legal due to the VIN and a host of other things I don't know about... Dave Spragg dave@spragg.com Natick, MA 99 M3 Sharked 92 330 Sharked and Supercharged -----Original Message----- From: John Van Houten [mailto:jvanhouten@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:04 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Ice9-wounded Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:52:37 -0500 From: "John Van Houten" <jvanhouten@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Ice9-wounded Well, I just returned from what started out as a fun weekend with the Windy City BMW CCA at Grattan Raceway in Michigan this past weekend. Friday instructor lapping was great, it's a fun track that is very busy and has a few "pucker" turns. It's like a big, fast autocross with lots of banked, off camber, blind turns with a quick elevation changes. It is fairly challenging to do right and a real blast in a beautiful setting. Anyway, in the first instructor session on Saturday morning (after running fine all day Friday), after about 8 laps, coming through turn 4, I heard a pop. I originally thought it was a tire, given the rear end's shimmy to the left (outside) when the pop occurred, but I now think it was just the loss of engine power. I pulled offline and when I saw some smoke out of the tailpipe, I pulled onto the grass and out of the way. By then, an absolutely huge cloud of white smoke was billowing out the tailpipe. According to spectators, it was quite a site to see--a large white caterpillar of smoke drifting over the countryside. Unfortunately, the wonderful motor that was in Ice 9 is now dead, kaput, sayonara. I pulled the spark plugs out at the track with the number two spark plug looking like it has seen the business end of a ball peen hammer. I pulled the head off last night and this is what I found. Not good... http://home.netcom.com/~jvanhout/ouch/ I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the car now--there are many options. I could put any number of motors in the car (used 3.0 or 3.2, BMW reman, TC Kline, used Euro, etc.), sell the car as is, or facilitate the installation of a motor for a new owner. I was selling the car to so I could race ITS next year, because of cheaper engines, ironically enough. Since I'm out the $ anyway, I may race the car next year and choose the motor based upon class (and how much $ I can scrape up). If anyone has any interest let me know. I'm just glad I hadn't sold the car to someone, only to have this happen a week later; I would have felt horribly. John 95M3 "Ice9" - wounded ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. *************************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the clutch) - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:53:20 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the clutch) Andy, All brake fluid is basically stagnant! It is just a column of incompressible fluid standing in a pipe. If it doesn't get very hot, it does not have a chance to become contaminated with moisture, so the column of fluid above the clutch slave cylinder could conceivably last forever. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Korczynski" <andy@casskor.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 11:44 AM Subject: RE: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the clutch) > Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:40:59 -0500 > From: "Andy Korczynski" <andy@casskor.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the clutch) > > Ok so here is a question for all you brake masters: > > Several people mentioned you don't need to bleed your clutch as often cause > the fluid doesn't get as hot. Well if both the clutch and the brakes get > fluid from the same place how are they not mixed? Or am I missing something > here? > > Andy K. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Hester [mailto:seanh_race@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:24 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the > clutch) > > > Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:17:54 PDT > From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the clutch) > > >I've always bled the clutch when I bleed the brakes. On my E30 318i, I > >found that the dirtiest, darkest brake fluid came out of the clutch > >hydraulic circuit. > > > >As one mechanic told me, "How many times do you use your brake pedal, and > >how many times do you use the clutch pedal?" Granted, the fluid in the > >brake hydraulic circuits encounters a great deal of heating that the clutch > >hydraulic circuit doesn't experience, but the whole hydraulic system is > >susceptible to the effects of moisture, so all fluid should be flushed out. > > yeah i know... it's a lazyness thing. the clutch is just so hard to deal > with compared to the brakes. ;-P > > i DID, once a year, pay someone to change all the fluid (including the > clutch). and once a year is more then BMW says it's needed. (they say > every two years) it's just the other 15 times a year that i skipped the > clutch. > > <rationalizing> since the clutch fluid doesn't get super-hot, once a year is > probably enough. it's only the brake fluid that get abused at the track > </rationalizing> > > so... if you're doing your once every two year bleed/flush yourself you > SHOULD do the clutch. but if you bled your fluid two weeks ago (which was > often the case for me) i think you can get away with skipping it. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Ice9-wounded - from Ron Katona
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:03:30 -0400 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Ice9-wounded Andrew E. Kalman wrote: > Ouch. Ouch indeed! I would need therapy. > I wonder if perhaps you had a retainer fail, which led to a valve > dropping into the motor. A friend on the 318ti list recently dropped a valve on a '95 ti during a school. The car had about 100,000 miles and many, many schools on it. The retainer did indeed fail. Interestingly, the same retainer was used on the '95 M3. This is the infamous retainer that was superceded later in the model run to presumably give more over-rev protection. > Not su sure about the "missing" piston, though ... In the case of that ti, the damage was NO WHERE near this severe even though it also broke at high rpm at the track. He said it just sounded like a diesel all of a sudden and he even rode out the 1/2 lap to get back to the pits before shutting it down. A top end rebuild was all that was required. This sucker had a big bad melt down. I'm guessing a cooling or lubrication system failure with the broken valve a result of the carnage that followed, rather than the cause of the problem. I've been wrong before though... -- Ron Katona
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#8. Brake Circuit Failure... - from Brent Williams
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:17:51 +0200 From: "Brent Williams" <brent@williamsconsultingltd.com> Subject: Brake Circuit Failure... If you like to take apart the dash, it will take you a while. But the part itself costs about $15. Not really that hard. I did it in about 3 hours. I didn't want the dealership to do it because it took me a week to fix the squeek left the last time they dug into the dash. Just go slow, you will learn something, while you are in there, take note of the aux fuse box, in case your OBC ever goes dead, the fuse is up there next to the windshield. Will probably be the only time you will ever see it. Good luck. Brent >Well, doesn't that just figure? My '97 M3 just turned >over to 50K miles earlier in the week. Last night, >with 50,121 miles on the clock, the CHECK CONTROL >light starts buggin' out on me and the OBC informs me >of "BRAKE LIGHT CIRCUIT" failure.
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#9. Supercharge or turbo? - from ClassiGuy3@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:50:56 EDT From: ClassiGuy3@aol.com Subject: Supercharge or turbo? I dont know which one to pick. Supercharge or turbo. I would like an AA kit but its a bit over priced. does anyone have any insight. I can get a ERT vortech SC installed for 6500 and AA gave me a quote like almost 11 grand. should I SC or turbo..that is the question... Leo Brooklyn NY
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#10. Bosch FGR8KOC vs. Bosch Platinum +4 on 1998? - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:09:12 EDT From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: Bosch FGR8KOC vs. Bosch Platinum +4 on 1998? The car has 35k. Time to replace the plugs. There were the stock 8koc's in there and I got Bosch Platinum +4's. Anyone have any experience or suggestions? Shel