E36M3 #560

Monday, September 25, 2000 15:26:08

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the clutch) - from Ron Buchalski
#2. RE: [E36M3] Monday morning and shit happens - from Mount, Mike
#3. Rumble in right front - from Robert Biggs
#4. Re: [E36M3] Monday morning and shit happens - from Skip Bogard
#5. Monday confessions (Button Willow HPDS) - from Mount, Mike
#6. Re: [E36M3] Monday confessions (Button Willow HPDS) - from Rich Gay
#7. Re: Wanted to buy Contour Wheel - from Paul_Kopecki@transwestern.net
#8. Anyone going down to Petit Le Mans from Richmond, Virginia area - from Roxana Melnitschenko
#9. I'm a new member - from dennis quan
#10. Road Atlanta - from Bob Weber

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the clutch) - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:15:51 GMT From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the clutch) >Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:17:54 PDT >From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Need to Bleed Clutch? (was: RE: bleeding the clutch) <snip> ><rationalizing> since the clutch fluid doesn't get super-hot, once a year >is probably enough. it's only the brake fluid that get abused at the track ></rationalizing> > >so... if you're doing your once every two year bleed/flush yourself you >SHOULD do the clutch. but if you bled your fluid two weeks ago (which was >often the case for me) i think you can get away with skipping it. I agree (in _your_ case) that flushing the clutch hydraulic circuit every two weeks is overkill, and probably unnecessary (unless you're changing the TYPE of brake fluid). For the list members who have their brake fluid flushed once or twice a year in preparation for a driver's school, the additional 10-15 minutes needed to bleed the clutch hydraulic circuit is probably a good thing, especially if the car is a daily driver. This could be my A.R. way of thinking, but it's not a difficult additional step for me, and a shop won't charge any more to do it, so why not? -rb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#2. RE: [E36M3] Monday morning and shit happens - from Mount, Mike
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:36:55 -0700 From: "Mount, Mike" <JMMn@pge.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Monday morning and shit happens Dragging sound? Plastic piece hanging below the engine? Hmmm, never heard of this one. Not! Welcome to the club. It'll run ya about 85 skins, and the suspected cause is driving fast. go figure. Doesn't Suzy's website have a link to a design supposed to last? My service advisor said it channels air through the engine bay, helping to cool and keeping roadkill from 'roasting' after getting stuck to your headers. Whether you can 'go without it' depends on how much you love your baby and how much money you enjoy spending needlessly. It's a cheap part, go for it. We've all been there, Mike '95 M3 da kar is yellow -----Original Message----- From: Bora Akyol [mailto:akyol@pluris.com] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:45 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Monday morning and shit happens Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:37:22 -0700 From: Bora Akyol <akyol@pluris.com> Subject: Monday morning and shit happens So I am driving to work this morning (I had not driven the car for a week), and I hear this dragging sound coming towards the front from the drivers side. Of course, by this time I am on the freeway and I can not stop. I drive to work and look under the car and see that a massive plastic shroud (under the radiator area). So I jacked the car up and undid a few bolts and tucked the shroud back in. By this time, about 1/8th of the shroud is gone but the rest seems OK. First of all, what is the proper name for this so that I can order the replacement part? What function does this serve? Can I go without it? How does this shroud fit? I don't have my Bentley with me. I managed to tuck it in, but left side looks different than the right side. I may also need to order the piece that goes on the side of it and looks like brake ducting piece since one of the clips on it seems to be broken as well. Nice way to start the week, eh? Bora ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. *************************************************************

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#3. Rumble in right front - from Robert Biggs
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:03:25 -0500 From: "Robert Biggs" <parm3@home.com> Subject: Rumble in right front Patrick, having replaced about five front wheel bearings your description fits the malady about perfectly. I would say its in the early stages and that is why you do not yet feel the vibration. The key is that it rumbles when going straight or turning in one direction and goes away when you turn in the other direction. Based on your description, it sounds like the right front wheel bearing. With the car jacked up, see if there is any play in the wheel. Also, spin the tire and see if you can hear that God awful metal grinding sound. Bob Biggs On September 25 Patrick Sarne <PatrickS@HoyleDonnelly.com> wrote: "Also, it is audible with the wheel turned straight, louder as I turn left, and goes away as I turn right. It is definitely speed-sensitive (not RPM related), but I do not feel any vibrations at the wheel. Any suggestions"

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Monday morning and shit happens - from Skip Bogard
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:09:40 -0400 From: Skip Bogard <skip.bogard@alumni.duke.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Monday morning and shit happens > I drive to work and look under the car and see that > a massive plastic shroud (under the radiator area). > First of all, what is the proper name for this so that I can order the > replacement part? It's proper name on the BMW fiche is "air duct". There are at least three types on M3's. On some of them, the part number is actually molded into the part...look on the inside for yours. A summary of the three types I know of: 1. large heavy one on 95/some 96(?) M3's that had a reverse airfoil molded into it. P/N 51 71 2 250 643, P/N molded in. 2. plastic/metal one found on the '95 M3 LTW. Not an exact replacement for the above as it has an extra air slot in it. 3. lighter weight one on some 96 and all later M3's. Don't know if P/N is molded in. This is a nice light piece, about 1/2 the weight or less of the '95 part. >What function does this serve? High performance cars deserve a smooth underside...the purpose of this shroud is to contribute to that. It keeps air from swirling out of control under the engine bay (this is considered to be "not real aero".) Technically then, the purpose is to 1) reduce drag and 2) reduce lift. > Can I go without it? The more important aero devices are the two wedges on either side of the "air duct". If the area you live in is subject to rain & flooding, they you should not drive at high speeds without the wedges....you're more likely to hydroplane without these...more on this below. (Oh, and if you're racing, in theory they will reduce your top end) These parts aren't very expensive...don't sweat it. You'll get through for probably under $100, unless the receiving tabs are torn...if these are torn you'll noticed those tabs are attached to your front wheel fender liners (large plastic pieces). This jacks the price up, but still not outrageous. TIP: The microfiche on these parts is very confusing, even for BMW techs. If you can get ALL PART NUMBERS OFF THE PIECES, YOU ARE BETTER OFF. The trianglular pieces called "LEFT AIR DUCT" and RIGHT AIR DUCT" are also different between #1 ('95) and #3 ('97+) above. However, either can be made to work in a pinch, but some of the plastic details don't quite line up perfectly. Aerodynamically, the '95 setup looks to be more aero than the '97 setup, but it weighs more and hence fails more often. Can we say gravity sucks? Well, gravity and that "reverse airfoil" on the '95 does suck, and it literally pulls the front end down, giving you down force up to the point where the part pulls off. Now aerodynamically, The left/right wedges in front of the tires are very desirable because it diverts stagnant air away from the intersection of the tire/pavement (which creates an inverse airfoil and causes tire lift) The JTD-design replacement (see http://bmwmpower.com/TechProc/jtd.htm and http://www.jt-designs.com/ P/N # 907) looks pretty good and can be used with these '95 wedges (aero devices) or the '97 wedges (which are not really aero devices...just flat plates). I'd like to see 80 people on this digest ask JTD to make their shroud plate an aerodynamic copy of the '95 setup. (but keep in mind that this WILL PULL on whatever they <JTD> decide to attach it to, and if this is the plastic liners for the wheel wells, then.... - Skip Bora Akyol wrote: > > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:37:22 -0700 > From: Bora Akyol <akyol@pluris.com> > Subject: Monday morning and shit happens > > So I am driving to work this morning (I had not driven the car for a > week), and I hear this dragging sound coming towards the front from the > drivers side. Of course, by this time I am on the freeway and I can not > stop. > I drive to work and look under the car and see that a massive plastic > shroud (under the radiator area). > > So I jacked the car up and undid a few bolts and tucked the shroud back > in. By this time, about 1/8th of the shroud is gone but the rest seems > OK. > > First of all, what is the proper name for this so that I can order the > replacement part? What function does this serve? Can I go without it? > > How does this shroud fit? I don't have my Bentley with me. I managed to > tuck it in, but left side looks different than the right side. > > I may also need to order the piece that goes on the side of it and looks > like brake ducting piece since one of the clips on it seems to be broken > as well. > > Nice way to start the week, eh? > > Bora > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************

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#5. Monday confessions (Button Willow HPDS) - from Mount, Mike
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:22:18 -0700 From: "Mount, Mike" <JMMn@pge.com> Subject: Monday confessions (Button Willow HPDS) Geez, it sounds like confession time here on the list. "I got a rumble from the front end..." "There's this dragging sound..." Hey, c'mon guys, you had fun, right? My brakes are shot ( a quick double pump on the pedal wakes them up ) the tires are fried, but I had a blast at the Button Willow HPDS with the great folks from the Sandy Eggo BMWCCA. How 'bout that late night "let's go for ice cream" run on Sat nite after the bbq? Anyone else have fun this weekend? Mike '95 M3 da kar is yellow

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Monday confessions (Button Willow HPDS) - from Rich Gay
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:38:19 -0500 From: "Rich Gay" <rich_gay@linbeck.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Monday confessions (Button Willow HPDS) on 9/25/00 2:35 PM, Mount, Mike at JMMn@pge.com wrote: > Anyone else have fun this weekend? Yep! Another great track weekend at Texas World Speedway! - Rich

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#7. Re: Wanted to buy Contour Wheel - from Paul_Kopecki@transwestern.net
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:54:57 -0500 From: Paul_Kopecki@transwestern.net Subject: Re: Wanted to buy Contour Wheel Hey, gruppe: Looking for a single 17 x 7.5 Contour wheel for E36M3 for use with snow tires. Does not have to be new in trunk, but must be clean and straight. No contour knockoffs need apply. Thanks, PK

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#8. Anyone going down to Petit Le Mans from Richmond, Virginia area - from Roxana Melnitschenko
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Roxana Melnitschenko <PrimaM3@excite.com> Subject: Anyone going down to Petit Le Mans from Richmond, Virginia area Good Day! Is anyone going down to Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta , from the Richmond , Virginia area on Friday morning? Please email me privately. Thanx. Roxana Melnitschenko PrimaM3@excite.com _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html

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#9. I'm a new member - from dennis quan
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: dennis quan <dcquan@yahoo.com> Subject: I'm a new member Hi everybody! I am really happy that I got to join this private list. I read the arhives all the time and I find the information to be quite helpful(much better than bimmer.org). I drive a 99 tit. silver M3 that is lightly modded. I'm having a Blistein/H&R race setup put in today after work. I hope my rear shock mounts and my camber won't be too bad. But I have a feeling that I will need to do something about them soon. I already have 31,000 miles on my car because I use it as a daily commuter. Dennis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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#10. Road Atlanta - from Bob Weber
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:15:57 -0500 From: Bob Weber <bobweber@bellsouth.net> Subject: Road Atlanta Is anyone driving to Road Atlanta from Florida? Bob ====== __ __ BMW / / / / | / | ______ 98M3/4 Sharked, ECIS Intake / / / / |/ | o/______\o Do it Now! / / / / | (**=00=**) BobWeber@bellsouth.net / / / /__/|__/|__| []*-XX-*[] http://personal.mia.bellsouth.net/~bobweber/

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