E36M3 #579

Friday, September 29, 2000 15:15:41

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#1. 45 mm offsett in the rear? - from dennis quan
#2. Re: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade - from twisty M3
#3. Re: [E36M3] Staying on topic - from Joe Dyer
#4. RE: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade - from JTJedi@aol.com
#5. Best M3 upgrade - from Joe Huie
#6. Re: [E36M3] Staying on topic - from Jim Powell
#7. jtd strut brace - from Kit Wetzler
#8. Re: [E36M3] Roll Bar High Impact Foam - from Daniel Smith
#9. Re: [E36M3] Roll Bar High Impact Foam - from Jim Powell
#10. Re: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade - from Peter H Reinhart
#11. Re: [E36M3] jtd strut brace - from Jim Powell
#12. Re: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade - from Gerry Miranda

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#1. 45 mm offsett in the rear? - from dennis quan
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: dennis quan <dcquan@yahoo.com> Subject: 45 mm offsett in the rear? Hi everybody, I know the subject of offsets have been beaten to death but I didn't find anything in the archives about fitting 18x9 with 45mm offsets in the back. Have any of you guys done it before or have any ideas about fitment problems? I like the Japanese BBS DTM rims that have these offsets for the rear. Thanks in advance, Dennis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade - from twisty M3
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:46:40 PDT From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade Hmm, tough question. I've done relatively few things but I haven't been dissappointed by *any* of them. Engine mod: the benefits of the Jim C. chip (injector actually) are great and that 7k rpm can be a God send on the track but my #1 engine mod vote goes to the intake. My gas mileage has gone down substantially because I love the sound so much and find myself driving in lower gear than normal just so I can punch it every now and then. (sounds *incredible* next to tall buildings on narrow streets, through tunnels or echoing off canyon walls). I also learned that it makes it much easier for your instructors to tell if you giving it full throttle when you're supposed to be or not. Oh yeah, there's the performance increase too. ;-) Suspension: Geez! I've only got the x-brace and RD sway bars but they both have been great. I'd say for cost, the x-brace was a great choice but overall change in the way the car feels (along with the adjustability element), I'd go with the sway bars. Misc: UUC short shifter feels the way the car should've from the factory IMHO but to be honest, the $100 I spent on an allignment in order to get the camber shims done for extra negative camber was absolutely the most bang for the buck. No understeer unless I *really* try and perfectly even tire wear on and off the track. I also can't believe the difference that you can actually feel from a good set of tires but I don't know if we're including such easily dispensable items on this list. Here's how it boils down... *Engine: #1 Intake (sound alone is worth it) *Suspension: #1 Sway bars (with a close second going to the x-brace) *Misc: #1 Negative camber (however you go about getting it. With the short shifter in second place) The #1 worthwhile thing to spend money on (period!) goes to high performance driver's school though. For the sake of this poll, I don't know if it would be considered a "mod" but it's easily the absolute best thing I've spent money on (aside from the monthy car payment). Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Staying on topic - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:53:39 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Staying on topic Suzy, My suggestion: Dump the guys who want to compare their M3 with a Viper! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Kraft" <suekraft@mindspring.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 4:15 AM Subject: [E36M3] Staying on topic > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:03:34 -0500 > From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@mindspring.com> > Subject: Staying on topic > > I am really getting tired of asking people to stay on topic. Perhaps it > is time to start thinning out the herd, so to speak. This is a private > mailing list, which means nobody has the right to be here, you are all > invited guests. I hate to be so blunt, but those of you who repeatedly > break the rule of staying on topic are ruining this list, and are no > longer going to be tolerated. Any suggestions as to who should be > removed would be very much appreciated. > > Suzy > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > >

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#4. RE: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade - from JTJedi@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:53:23 EDT From: JTJedi@aol.com Subject: RE: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade IMHO, the best upgrade is Driver's training. You can fix the car up any way you want, but without the proper driving skills to control it, what good are all the gizmos? Spending money on training the brain of the one behind the wheel, is by far the most important upgrade you can do. Jamie Thomas White M3/4 Chipped, x-brace, A032R's and 32 Driving Schools/events to date

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#5. Best M3 upgrade - from Joe Huie
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:54:32 -0700 From: "Joe Huie" <jhuie@inreach.com> Subject: Best M3 upgrade Best upgrade? That's a tough one to answer, depending on what's important to the driver, e.g., handling, brakes, engine/performance. If I could have only one upgrade, it would be the ellipsoid lights (with 100w H1 bulbs, courtesy of Josh at Eurosport), as stock headlights are just terrible IMHO, and the M3 is as close to performance perfection already right from the factory. A close second is the JC chip/intake, as it's probably the best bang for buck performance upgrade that one can easily install if you want MORE performance. BTW, driving schools are the best DRIVER/OWNER upgrade. You really can't pass that on with your car when someone else drive it. :-) Joe 95 M3 >From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@mindspring.com> >Subject: Best M3 upgrade > >I thought it might be fun for everyone to cast a vote as to what they >think is the best upgrade or modification they have done to their cars. >If someone would like to keep a tally of votes, I'll post the winner on >bmwmpower. I had a tough time deciding between my ACS short shifter or >Jim C intake, but I think I'd have to go with the Jim C intake. >So what do the rest of you think? > >Suzy

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Staying on topic - from Jim Powell
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:57:16 -0700 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Staying on topic And guys with Dinan stuff! Hi 'Ho'! J'A'P Joe Dyer wrote: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:53:39 -0700 > From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Staying on topic > > Suzy, > > My suggestion: Dump the guys who want to compare their M3 with a Viper! > > Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Kraft" <suekraft@mindspring.com> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 4:15 AM > Subject: [E36M3] Staying on topic > > > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:03:34 -0500 > > From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@mindspring.com> > > Subject: Staying on topic > > > > I am really getting tired of asking people to stay on topic. Perhaps it > > is time to start thinning out the herd, so to speak. This is a private > > mailing list, which means nobody has the right to be here, you are all > > invited guests. I hate to be so blunt, but those of you who repeatedly > > break the rule of staying on topic are ruining this list, and are no > > longer going to be tolerated. Any suggestions as to who should be > > removed would be very much appreciated. > > > > Suzy > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > List Commands > > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************

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#7. jtd strut brace - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:01:16 -0700 From: "Kit Wetzler" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: jtd strut brace oiy. I just bought a used JTD strut brace and am trying to install it, without any luck. :( I can't get the neat-o nuts that they include onto the studs that stick up... here's the catch: I have K*Mac camber/caster plates. Would those cause the problems that I'm having? (slightly different stud placement?) *sigh* I guess I could just go to swapped strut tops, instead of the adjustable camber/caster plates. Suggestions? -kit 97 M3/4 http://www.mindspring.com/~kitwetzler

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Roll Bar High Impact Foam - from Daniel Smith
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:56:52 -0700 From: Daniel Smith <dls@daniel.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Roll Bar High Impact Foam I'm dredging up an old subject.. Susie's request for best mods reminded me of my TC Kline rollbar, which is not padded.... Anyone pad their TC Kline bar? Happen to know the measurements, or at least how much padding to order? (yes, I want to protect the passenger too :-) Daniel for reference: At 5:51 PM -0800 3/27/00, Kenneth Hawley wrote: > Confor is made right here in Indiana by EAR, the same folks that make those > earplugs you squeeze and shove in your ear canal. > http://www.earsc.com/confor.htm > > The FIA has approved two flavors of Confor for use in their sanctioned > cars, blue and pink. > http://www.fia.com/regle/Reg_tec/listesTech/listec17.htm > > Of the two, I believe Safety Devices uses the denser blue CF-45 version. > In this country, the Safety Devices confor rollbar padding is sold, > somewhat unenthusiastically, by Stable Energies out east somewhere. > http://stable-energies.com/ > > The foam is also available in flat sheets at any size up to 36"W x 80"L x > 12"T. There is a jobber that I know about in this country where you can > buy the flat sheets. Email me privately for information. > > As for me, I use the Simpson-style SFI padding. It is a hell of a lot > cheaper, available anywhere, and probably nearly as good as the Confor. > There is another brand, whose name escapes me, that is identical to the > Simpson and even less expensive, probably because it does not have the SFI > tag and the Simpson name on it. If I recall, it's less than $10 per 36" > stick (half a cylinder). The Simpson is about $14. The Confor stuff > should be about 4x that. > > I do use the Confor between me and the aluminum seat. My spine is as at > least as valuable to me as my head and my head has a helmet already. > > For rollbar, use the Simpson-style or the Confor. Screw the color, you > don't really want to compromise safety for aesthetics, do you? > > Kenneth Hawley > Kalamazoo, MI > 1999 M3/2 > SRF #00169 - Simpson-style rollbar padding and Confor in back. > > > > > skip.bogard@alumn > > i.duke.edu To: >reinhart@neuro.duke.edu > cc: >bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com, e36m3@topica.com > 03/27/2000 08:22 Subject: Re: [E36M3] >Roll Bar High Impact Foam > PM > > Please respond to > > skip.bogard > > > > > > > > > The tricked out Nerf bar padding install you're looking for might be this: > > 1. Send e-mail to Safety Devices in the UK > 2. Get confirmation that they'll custom make your pads to fit out of their > "Confor Foam" > (used in Formula 1...it has a different density profile than just you > standard $6 for 3 ft. bar nerf foam) > 3. They can custom make pad covers out of grey Nomex with either (and/or) > zippers for a > tight fit and draw strings to seal the ends up. > > The website for confor foam is here: > http://ds.dial.pipex.com/pdpr/safety/confor.htm > It's in the UK, be patient. > > For those not interested, ya still gotta love this red/black carbon fiber > fire extinguisher > bottle...it's beautiful! > http://ds.dial.pipex.com/pdpr/safety/images/sactech2.jpg > > They sell titanium eye bolts too, for that ultimate install. > > - Skip > > Peter H Reinhart wrote: >> >> I'm trying to locate a source for high impact roll bar foam. The > catch is >> I'd like it to match the grey interior of my car (E36M3). I think I've >> seen a source for it in the past, but can't put my hands on the right >> catalog (I can see pink, black, red, yellow, but no grey). Can anyone >> point me to a source for grey foam? >> >> TIA and Cheers, >> >> Peter Reinhart > -- Daniel L. Smith - dls@daniel.org - Sonoma County, CA

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Roll Bar High Impact Foam - from Jim Powell
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:06:06 -0700 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Roll Bar High Impact Foam 3 'tubes' of the appropriate color. Jim Daniel Smith wrote: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:56:52 -0700 > From: Daniel Smith <dls@daniel.org> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Roll Bar High Impact Foam > > I'm dredging up an old subject.. Susie's request for best mods > reminded me of my TC Kline rollbar, which is not padded.... > > Anyone pad their TC Kline bar? Happen to know the measurements, > or at least how much padding to order? (yes, I want to protect > the passenger too :-) > > Daniel > > for reference: > > At 5:51 PM -0800 3/27/00, Kenneth Hawley wrote: > > Confor is made right here in Indiana by EAR, the same folks that make those > > earplugs you squeeze and shove in your ear canal. > > http://www.earsc.com/confor.htm > > > > The FIA has approved two flavors of Confor for use in their sanctioned > > cars, blue and pink. > > http://www.fia.com/regle/Reg_tec/listesTech/listec17.htm > > > > Of the two, I believe Safety Devices uses the denser blue CF-45 version. > > In this country, the Safety Devices confor rollbar padding is sold, > > somewhat unenthusiastically, by Stable Energies out east somewhere. > > http://stable-energies.com/ > > > > The foam is also available in flat sheets at any size up to 36"W x 80"L x > > 12"T. There is a jobber that I know about in this country where you can > > buy the flat sheets. Email me privately for information. > > > > As for me, I use the Simpson-style SFI padding. It is a hell of a lot > > cheaper, available anywhere, and probably nearly as good as the Confor. > > There is another brand, whose name escapes me, that is identical to the > > Simpson and even less expensive, probably because it does not have the SFI > > tag and the Simpson name on it. If I recall, it's less than $10 per 36" > > stick (half a cylinder). The Simpson is about $14. The Confor stuff > > should be about 4x that. > > > > I do use the Confor between me and the aluminum seat. My spine is as at > > least as valuable to me as my head and my head has a helmet already. > > > > For rollbar, use the Simpson-style or the Confor. Screw the color, you > > don't really want to compromise safety for aesthetics, do you? > > > > Kenneth Hawley > > Kalamazoo, MI > > 1999 M3/2 > > SRF #00169 - Simpson-style rollbar padding and Confor in back. > > > > > > > > > > skip.bogard@alumn > > > > i.duke.edu To: > >reinhart@neuro.duke.edu > > cc: > >bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com, e36m3@topica.com > > 03/27/2000 08:22 Subject: Re: [E36M3] > >Roll Bar High Impact Foam > > PM > > > > Please respond to > > > > skip.bogard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tricked out Nerf bar padding install you're looking for might be this: > > > > 1. Send e-mail to Safety Devices in the UK > > 2. Get confirmation that they'll custom make your pads to fit out of their > > "Confor Foam" > > (used in Formula 1...it has a different density profile than just you > > standard $6 for 3 ft. bar nerf foam) > > 3. They can custom make pad covers out of grey Nomex with either (and/or) > > zippers for a > > tight fit and draw strings to seal the ends up. > > > > The website for confor foam is here: > > http://ds.dial.pipex.com/pdpr/safety/confor.htm > > It's in the UK, be patient. > > > > For those not interested, ya still gotta love this red/black carbon fiber > > fire extinguisher > > bottle...it's beautiful! > > http://ds.dial.pipex.com/pdpr/safety/images/sactech2.jpg > > > > They sell titanium eye bolts too, for that ultimate install. > > > > - Skip > > > > Peter H Reinhart wrote: > >> > >> I'm trying to locate a source for high impact roll bar foam. The > > catch is > >> I'd like it to match the grey interior of my car (E36M3). I think I've > >> seen a source for it in the past, but can't put my hands on the right > >> catalog (I can see pink, black, red, yellow, but no grey). Can anyone > >> point me to a source for grey foam? > >> > >> TIA and Cheers, > >> > >> Peter Reinhart > > > -- > Daniel L. Smith - dls@daniel.org - Sonoma County, CA > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade - from Peter H Reinhart
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:06:52 -0400 From: Peter H Reinhart <reinhart@neuro.duke.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade At 12:25 PM 9/29/00 -0500, Sue Kraft wrote: >Subject: Best M3 upgrade > >I thought it might be fun for everyone to cast a vote as to what they >think is the best upgrade or modification they have done to their cars.... The Jim C chip is impressive - smoother, higher revving, bit more power, but the winner is...... ****Wheels/tires upgrade**** Specifically 8.5" Fikses shod with Kumho V700 tires on all corners. The difference is AMAZING! From massive understeer to virtually neutral in one step. From loud howling at 'slow' speeds to quiet, massive, Porsche-passing grip right up to the limit. And better acceleration to boot due to the lower unsprung weight. It allows the car to get much closer to it's amazing handling potential. It 'aint cheap, but this upgrade puts a BIG smile on your face. Its like the first time you took your car on track, only now you know what you're doing..... Cheers, Peter Reinhart - http://www.neuro.duke.edu/phr/m3.html NCC/Tarheel Chapters BMWCCA, NASA, PCA (E36 M3/4)

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#11. Re: [E36M3] jtd strut brace - from Jim Powell
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:09:10 -0700 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] jtd strut brace Take the top KMAC plate off! Its not required if you use a strut bar. Then it will all fit. And so will the nuts. I have the same exact setup. Jim Kit Wetzler wrote: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:01:16 -0700 > From: "Kit Wetzler" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> > Subject: jtd strut brace > > oiy. I just bought a used JTD strut brace and am trying to install it, > without any luck. :( I can't get the neat-o nuts that they include onto > the studs that stick up... > > here's the catch: I have K*Mac camber/caster plates. Would those cause the > problems that I'm having? (slightly different stud placement?) > > *sigh* I guess I could just go to swapped strut tops, instead of the > adjustable camber/caster plates. Suggestions? > > -kit > 97 M3/4 > http://www.mindspring.com/~kitwetzler > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************

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#12. Re: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade - from Gerry Miranda
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Gerry Miranda <gerry_miranda@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Best M3 upgrade AO32r's for summer street tires.... Great dry traction, and plenty good in the wet... Went to UPGP at speeds over 100 mph from chicago in the wet and rain at 4:00 AM G --- Sue Kraft <suekraft@mindspring.com> wrote: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:19:33 -0500 > From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@mindspring.com> > Subject: Best M3 upgrade > > I thought it might be fun for everyone to cast a > vote as to what they > think is the best upgrade or modification they have > done to their cars. > If someone would like to keep a tally of votes, I'll > post the winner on > bmwmpower. I had a tough time deciding between my > ACS short shifter or > Jim C intake, but I think I'd have to go with the > Jim C intake. > So what do the rest of you think? > > Suzy > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > > ===== Gerry 97 M3/4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

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