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#1. Re: [E36M3] PF90s versus Hi-Hos - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:52:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <clopez95m3@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] PF90s versus Hi-Hos Rich wrote: >What the heck is a hi-ho, some sort of minced Disney-dwarf pastry? I thought it was the standard Powell-to-Dyer salute! Now if you were woofing down Ding Dongs well then we'd know what the heck you're talking about. Carlos Motor City Chapter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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#2. Re: [E36M3] P-car Vs BMW - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:19:27 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] P-car Vs BMW >I still don't get this comparo stuff going on. Isn't the P-car a two >seater? Sure it is going to be more aerodynamic. Horse power the >same....what do the torque curves look like? I'd bet the flat six has a >very tall flat curve compared to the I-6. No facts or data here but I know >what I know. Why wasn't the M Coupe campaigned against the P-car? ....as i risk basishment from the list by continuing this... don't all 911s have back seats. (too small to be functional, but still...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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#3. Re: [E36M3] PF90s versus Hi-Hos - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:22:25 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] PF90s versus Hi-Hos > >>>John, don't be so damn lazy, changing the pads only adds another 15 or >20 >minutes to the swap time.<<< > >In 15 minutes I could easily eat another 3 1/2 Hi-Ho's. Besides, I thought >you have to swap rotors as well to prevent mixing pad compounds? And, I >plan on using PF90's all the way around, not just on the fronts. So that's >4 pads and 4 rotors. There was one time that I snuck 2 Hi-Ho's on board my >M3 during a session and each time my instructor looked the other way, I was >able to gulp a half one down. Maybe I can use his technique to make up for >the pad/rotor swapping downtime? after trying it both ways (swap pads AND rotors, vs just swap pads) i determined that swapping rotors wan't worth all the potential hi-ho time it took. i took me 15-20 extra minutes (you gotta change the wheels/tires anyway right? so the car is already in the air, and the wheels off) to do pads all around. rotors took another half hour. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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#4. Re: [E36M3] PF90s versus Hi-Hos - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:32:58 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] PF90s versus Hi-Hos >Rich wrote: > >What the heck is a hi-ho, some sort of minced Disney-dwarf pastry? > >I thought it was the standard Powell-to-Dyer salute! >Now if you were woofing down Ding Dongs well then we'd know what the >heck you're talking about. i thought they were calles ho-hos. but what do i know? twinkies are way better, no matter what those silly chocolate (yuck) things are called... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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#5. to clip or not to clip? (PF90) - from jbergstrom
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:36:43 -0500 From: "jbergstrom" <john@intellectsys.com> Subject: to clip or not to clip? (PF90) >>>>clips are expensive to install. (i paid $50 one time, $85 another) AND they'll come off under hard use anyway. of the 8 pads i "clipped" 5 clips came off, 2 clips broke, and one clip was "loose" (meaning the pads rattled anyway) so... i gave up...<<<< Sean, I hesitated to even respond to you because you have the EVIL-WITCHES-VOODOO-DEMON-BURNING-BROKEN-M3 CURSE. You're the guy who went through 3 Vanos units in 2 months, right? And the average life for any M3 you touch is about 7 weeks, right? My friends refuse to even utter your name for fear of some kind of mystical voodoo osmosis. "DON'T SPEAK HIS NAME!!!!" they cry. "YOU'LL UNLEASH THE DEMONS ONTO US!!!!!" So . . . I might be able to get away with clips, since my "hard use" is probably 1/5 of your "hard use". Did Porterfield put them on for you, and how exactly were they attached? Don't respond directly to me, as I don't want the curse anywhere near my beloved Hi-Ho's. I at least want the list as a buffer . . . ;-) John '95 M3 with this and that and a little more of those
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#6. Re: [E36M3] to clip or not to clip? (PF90) - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:16:21 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] to clip or not to clip? (PF90) >So . . . I might be able to get away with clips, since my "hard use" is >probably 1/5 of your "hard use". if you're use is only 1/5 as had as mine then you don't need pf-90s. in fact if you're asking about ways to make them "quiet and friendly" then you probably don't need pf-90s. i'd at least recommend you try r4 pads instead of pf-90s. they're 99% as good as pf-90s at stopping, 95% as good at stopping warping, but they have HUGE, THICK built in clips, (which don't break or fall off) and they squeal less, and they dust less, and they work better cold, and they are generally 100% eaier to live with. (comapred to pf-90s) unless you're racing (or driving 10-10ths at driver schools) there's no really good reason to subject yourself to the pain of pf-90s. in fact... my last year of tracking my M3 (which was at 10/10ths or 11/10ths depending on the day) i used r4 pads, and didn't miss the TINY bit of performance pf-90s gave me. and at the end of the day, i enjoyed a nice rattle free drive home. now... there will be a dozen people that reply back "pf-90s aren't that much of a pain". to which my reply is "r4 pads are LESS pain then pf-90s" so no matter how little pain people say pf-90s are, "r4 pads are LESS pain then pf-90s" >Did Porterfield put them on for you, and >how exactly were they attached? no. porterfield said they only had the HUGE THICK clips that they put on r4 pads. and that those clips were too big. they COULD take a clipped r4 backing plate, cut and produce pads with pf-90 material attached if i wanted. anyone wanna guess how stupidly expensive that was gonna be? whatever you guessed it's too low... i took the clips from used stock pads, and had them rivited/spot welded to the hole in the backing plate of the pf-90s. (there IS a HOLE for a clip, but there's no clip) various racing shops did the work for me. there were two problems. the whimpy clips on stock pads are just that... whimpy. several of them broke. the other problem is that the idea is to put the clip holder THROUGH the hole and have the pad material help hold the clip. by attaching them to already manufactured pads, you can't do that. as such, i had several "rivits" fall out, leaving the clip all over. (in the piston, jammed in the caliper, on the track of people to run over, etc...) so... if you want clips, get r4 pads. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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#7. PF 90's Rattling - from Robert Biggs
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:17:51 -0500 From: "Robert Biggs" <parm3@home.com> Subject: PF 90's Rattling jbergstrom wrote: "And I like to spend my time eating Hi-Ho's. ;-)" * * * John -- Aren't they called Ho-Ho's not Hi-Ho's. I like to eat them with ice cream -- put a little cognac on top -- light a match and wala you have "flaming Ho-Ho's. Oh by the way, I run PF90's on the street and I haven't found anyway to silence the rattle. But it doesn't really bother me. Its the sound of grip. Bob 96 M3
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#8. Re: Hostess - from John Van Houten
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:37:25 -0500 From: "John Van Houten" <jvanhouten@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Hostess > John -- Aren't they called Ho-Ho's not Hi-Ho's. I like to eat them with ice > cream -- put a little cognac on top -- light a match and wala you have > "flaming Ho-Ho's. We actually had a rather extensive debate about this in college. Aparently, depending on what part of the country you are in, the "Ho-Ho's" that I grew up with are "Hi-Ho's" somewhere else. Likewise, "Ding Dongs" are also called "King Dons". People had their parents send empirical evidence to prove their point as the argument grew to almost jihad intensity! There was some correlation, e.g., East vs West Coast, the South, Midwest, etc., but I don't remember that part. Those brain cells must have been killed by the cheap beer... John 95M3 "Ice9" - wounded
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#9. Re: PF90's Rattling - from Jeff James
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:41:40 PDT From: "Jeff James" <jdgtrski@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: PF90's Rattling Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:59:57 -0500 From: "jbergstrom" <john@intellectsys.com> Subject: PF90's rattling Yes, this topic has been discussed before, but I don't think I ever saw anyone post an elegant solution for adding clips or shims to keep the PF90's from rattling. . . . I've had my PF90s on all summer and have actually come to like the noisy clanking they make, especially when going over speed bumps in the parking garage. They really cause heads to turn - I can almost hear people thinking "Man, that looks like a nice car, but it sounds like it's falling apart. He should get some new brakes!" Little do they know . . . Jeff James _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Hostess - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:00:47 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Hostess >We actually had a rather extensive debate about this in college. >Aparently, >depending on what part of the country you are in, the "Ho-Ho's" that I grew >up with are "Hi-Ho's" somewhere else. Likewise, "Ding Dongs" are also >called "King Dons". People had their parents send empirical evidence to >prove their point as the argument grew to almost jihad intensity! are you telling me hostess prints differnt packaging for different parts of the country? scary... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.