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#1. RE: [E36M3] Road Atlanta and E46 M3 Raffle - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:56:40 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Road Atlanta and E46 M3 Raffle I did keep wondering who that dumbass was that kept stalking me. I was getting a little worried. Just Kidding. Sorry about that Chester but I was not having a good day as my M3 was not there and my 318ti was having brake problems. Next time I will be more friendly. Email about your instructor and lets talk about that. I would love to hear who you had. Hope you enjoyed the track. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com www.m3power.com -----Original Message----- From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:37 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Road Atlanta and E46 M3 Raffle Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Road Atlanta and E46 M3 Raffle Hey guys. I'm writing to you from Greenville, SC! I brought my laptop down to store all the digital pics that I snapped. About the E46 M3 raffle, I was at the Motorsport event last night where they raffled off 6 or 7 M3s. The first 3 or 4 were picked by the PTG drivers--Bill Auberlan, Brian Cunningham, Boris Said, and Tom Milner. Unfortunately, I didn't win out of those mentioned! There were ~15,000 raffle entries!!@@!$!@$ YIKES! I believe a few were raffled off the night before and some will be raffled off tonight as well as Friday night. It would be so nice! Anyway, I heard the new E46M3 (Laguna Seca Blue one) fire up and rev a little....quite a metal rattle. I also saw the old PTG #10 E36M3 run at Road Atlanta and heard the #7 E36 M3 car start up and stall and fire up and stall and fire up at the Performance center (Bill Auberlan must have been having fun doing that!). Road Atlanta was a blast although it was definitely scary for my first driver school. Those blind turns and elevation changes (combined in some turns!) were definitely unnerving. My instructor and I really didn't gel all too well with him not providing much feedback and forcing me to heel-toe shift. I repeatedly told him that I was uncomfortable doing so and I would shift early to compensate. He continued to force me to shift late which resulted in my grinding third a few times. DOH! I wish Seth Thomas would have been my instructor or something. I caught a glimpse of him, but the dumb ass (jk) thought I was a stranger wavving at him and he would walk on by when I was flagging him down to talk to him. At any rate, here are a few pics of me http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=838931&a=9180571 The autocross was pretty cool, too! I wouldn't call it your typical autocross course since a) you shifted into 3rd! an b) you reached a speed of about 80 - 90mph! Overall, I thought the autocross was poorly planned. They had everyone who was to run (I believe there were about 88 M3s and quite a few other cars just for that day...and that didn't count the cars that had two drivers) that day arrive in the morning and hang around all day long. It was a real bore just sitting around. By the time I was able to run, the morning course walk was a distant memory. They should have split the large group into two groups and then divide the halves into two groups--one to corner walk and one to drive. They also bended the rules and allowed many drivers who missed the first day autocross to run with us! That really pissed me off. If you screwed up and missed your event...tough sh*t! On top of that, there were some people who squeezed in and had two drivers! Really unfair! Those misfits also ran early in the day so they got to do all three of their runs. The autox had some sad news surrounding it. Apparently, a dude in a 318ti with R1s came in too hot and overshot one turn, turned in hard to compensate, the two outside tires gripped really well causing the car to lift the other two wheels...the car flipped and landed on the side and slid after which it slid onto the grass....caught...and rolled three times! The structure held up well, the driver was unharmed... That caused a 1.5 hour delay. The last run group saw some guy have his E36M3 breakdown on the course. The dude thought he could fix his car on the track. Everyone just stood there watching and scratching their heads. People started yelling at the guy to get his car off the track. Apparently, the dude had a trailer but refused to take the car off the track. This caused a 45 min - 1 hour delay, pushing the event past its 5:30pm end time where the last run group was unable to complete all three runs. Oh well, gotta pack and get ready to leave tomorrow morning! ttyl, Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. *************************************************************
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#2. Re: [E36M3] E46 M3 GT3 versus 911 - from Ron Katona
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 23:03:44 -0400 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 M3 GT3 versus 911 Adam Fila wrote: > I am no expert, but I asked Milner about this, and he said the problem is > that they can't perfectly balance an inline 6 engine. There will always be > some vibration that makes it's way into the driveshaft and the rear end > (excuse my lay explanation, I am no automotive engineer). This is what > seems to kill them so often. > They've had problems this year with guibos breaking. Odd because it's never been a problem before. The M3's 6 has a known resonance at 8800 rpm. At that rpm, it'll shear the front of the crank. PTG uses the stock harmonic balancer on the engine, BTW. They limit the motor to about 8200-8300 to prevent the crank from going near that resonance. That's probably what Milner refers to. -- Ron Katona
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#3. Re: E46 M3 GT3 versus 911 - from Ron Katona
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 23:17:41 -0400 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: E46 M3 GT3 versus 911 Keith Olcha wrote: > Are BMW racing $$ spread too thin? They were dominant with the E36 two years > ago. The 12 Cylinder LMP was hot but not any more, and now, they are kind of > going backwards at the end of the season in F1. OR is it timing, luck? This was also discussed at the M dinner. The M brand guy pointed out that the Williams/BMW F1 car that finished third in the first race of the season has been retired from competition because it's been outdated by the current cars. That's how fast megabuck race series evolve. Ralf had another podium the race before Indy. They've been holding pretty constant this year as the leaders of the "also rans." A stated goal for the team next year is to win a race and do no worse than third again in the constructor's championship. Remember, it's still a new car at this point. The BMW V-10 has been completely redesigned and run on the dyno already. It'll be smaller, lighter, and more powerful next year. That should make the car much more competitive. Audi decided to win LeMans and spent a ton of $$ doing it. They are going to be dominant until someone (Cadillac?) decides to spend the money needed to dethrone them. BMW has officially terminated support of the LMR program, it's dead as far as a factory effort goes. F1 and the E46 M3s in ALMS will be the only factory sponsored race teams. -- Ron Katona
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#4. Re: [E36M3] you rock - from Michael Ting
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:21:54 -0500 From: "Michael Ting" <lupin@purdue.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] you rock > you rock I FEEL GOOD!!! ;) (although I didn't really contribute...) Michael Ting --------------------
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#5. Re: Vibration - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:31:07 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Vibration on 10/2/00 20:25, E36M3 at e36m3@bmwmpower.com wrote: > On another thread, I've been discussing motor configurations and such with > a coworker. I don't understand the "balanced" thing. From what we could > draw on the whiteboard, the inline 6 has 60 degrees crank rotation between > each piston hitting TDC. I picked 60 degrees from 360/6. Seems to be > reasonable enouph. I can't see how firing order is going to really matter > because for either inline 6, v 6 or opposed 6, only one piston is getting > fired at once. So I don't see where vibration would be coming from. While an inline six does have perfect primary and secondary balance, there is torsional vibration due to the length of the crankshaft. Neil 96 M3
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Worst M3 upgrade? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:35:29 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Worst M3 upgrade? on 10/4/00 12:36, E36M3 at e36m3@bmwmpower.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:53:42 -0700 > From: Jim.Millet@intermec.com > > Biggest waste of money is a front strut tower brace. I've tried the Dinan > (sold to an unsuspecting soul like me) and the BMW Motorsport brace > (currently installed) and they're worthless. Simply eye candy. I notice > that the UUC Motorwerks folks don't have their Barbarian brace for sale > anymore. I wonder why? What is the evidence that leads you to this conclusion? Neil 96 M3
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Worst M3 upgrade - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:50:49 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Worst M3 upgrade on 10/4/00 14:26, E36M3 at e36m3@bmwmpower.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:12:01 -0400 > From: Jeff Thompson <jthompson@telco.com> > > Worst "upgrade" so far is the JTD/Turner aluminum rear shock mounts. The > installation instructions tell you that using the "race" bushings may damage > your chassis mount points but the softer ones were so soft that the washers on > the shocks would bang into the aluminum and chew up the rubber. Replaced them > after 3 weeks, lots of noise, and about 750 miles. With OEM mounts and it is > quiet, smooth and 1/2 the price. I do have the Bilsteins with stock springs, > just as a data point. I've always imagined that the JTD shock tower damage disclaimer is to cover their butts legally. And who can blame them? Similar to the "suitable for off-road use only" that we're already accustomed to. Since you're using stiffer shocks, you're already adding load on the shock towers, increased a little further by sticking with standard springs. I've been running the black (stiff) JTD bushings on street and track with no obvious noise or other penalty. Using the stock bushings, plan on replacing them annually if you track the car, every two years otherwise. So much for any "1/2 price" advantage in staying stock. > And for them to say that their clutch stop is fine > but BMW's pedal sucks is just avoiding the fact that they didn't design for > the application. But the BMW pedal design does suck. It has way to much lateral play, and a pivot bearing which wears out and squeaks. Send a modest check to Ron Stygar to fix all that. (My UUC clutch stop on the other hand is just fine.) Neil 96 M3
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#8. Re: [E36M3] X-brace & nutserts - from Alain van der Heide
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:38:14 -0600 From: "Alain van der Heide" <ajvdh@attglobal.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] X-brace & nutserts From: Bora Akyol <akyol@pluris.com> > > My 1/95 M3 came with the nutserts. So did my 10/94 build
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#9. FS or Trade: UUC System U exhaust - from Rob
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:09:47 -0600 From: "Rob" <motor@cadvision.com> Subject: FS or Trade: UUC System U exhaust For sale or trade: UUC System U full stainless cat-back exhaust for all 1992> E36 6cyl cars. Full polished stainless with dual round tips. Can be seen @ www.uucmotorwerks.com I had it installed on my car for 2 days but find it a bit too loud compared with the stock M3 system. Will trade for a good condition Supersprint with round tips or sell. $495 Thanks motor@cadvision.com
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#10. Who are the winners? - from SeaUinOC@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 01:52:18 EDT From: SeaUinOC@aol.com Subject: Who are the winners? Hi Everyone! If anyone has the names of the E46 raffle winners from O-fest, could you please post them on the list. Good luck to everyone and may God bless BMW Motorsports! See you at Suzuka... Dean BMW.WilliamsF1