E36M3 #644

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#1. Stock suspension part numbers - from Ted Telesky
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:06:26 -0400
From: Ted Telesky <TTelesky@compuserve.com>
Subject: Stock suspension part numbers

Does anyone have the stock 1995 M3 part numbers for
the front struts and rear shocks?  It appears I am in
a dispute with a dealer who sold me the wrong stuff.

Also, can you tell me the source for the part numbers,
as in service manual, etc.

Thanks
Ted

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#2. RE: [E36M3] Brake vibration? - from Ted Telesky
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:29:18 -0400
From: Ted Telesky <TTelesky@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: [E36M3] Brake vibration?

I just wanted to thank everyone for their emails and suggestions
regarding my brake pad questions....

Thanks again,
Ted Telesky

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#3. Re: : E46M3 is a Porker - from Jay Sala
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:24:24 +0800
From: Jay Sala <jsala@mist.com>
Subject: Re: : E46M3 is a Porker

Hartge (the European tuner) has stuffed the M5's 5.0L V8 in the E46.
The performance stats are impressive:

0-100 km/h 4.7 sec 
0-200 km/h 15.3 sec 
0-1000 m 22.7 sec 
4th gear 80-120 km/h: 4.3 sec 
5th gear 80-120 km/h: 5.2 sec 
6th gear 80-120 km/h: 6.1 sec 
Max. speed 300 km/h

Notice how strong 6th gear acceleration is.  

You can see more at http://www.hartge.de/english/frameset.
<http://www.hartge.de/english/frameset.html>  html
<http://www.hartge.de/english/frameset.html> 

There was a review in BMW Car magazine a few months ago.

Enjoy!

        - Jay



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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:45:25 -0500
From: "Steven Hazard" <98m3@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: : E46M3 is a Porker


....I'm in NO HURRY to get on a wait list for the E46M3 in it's current
dress...Give me the lightweight version with the V-8...

Oh I'll pay 10K more, just think 3150 approx lbs with 400 HP.....Now
that's
a worthy successor to the current car.....

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#4. Dealers and E46M3's - from Robert Chay
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:49:15 -0700
From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com>
Subject: Dealers and E46M3's

I just went to Long Beach BMW in SoCal to see what their wait list was on
this thing. The dickhead salesguy (aren't they all?) has almost no clue. He
tells me that there's about 50 people on the list. So I ask about the
LTW/GT/whatever. I got the "deer in the headlights" look from him. I said
nevermind... have any brochures? Bingo! Got one of those. Now I ask about
the price on one of these. DH says he doesn't know but it's definitely going
for at least 10k over. WTF?!?! I asked him what BMW NA would think and his
response was that they get buyers who buy the car at list and turn around
and sells them for 10k over so why shouldn't they profit as well?

That's when I walked out on him (brochure in hand).

-Bobby
'98 M3
'00 or '01 something other than BMW (getting sick of their shit)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Hazard [mailto:98m3@mediaone.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 7:02 PM
> To: E36M3
> Subject: [E36M3] Re: : E46M3 is a Porker
>
> <snip>
> I'm REALLY HOPING FOR A LIMITED RUN OF REAL M3's!
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
>

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#5. doh!  check engine light - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:07:02 -0700
From: "Kit Wetzler" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com>
Subject: doh!  check engine light


Argh.  CEL came on tonight while I was driving around.  It's probably the
old issue of having a cold air intake with stock software.  darn.  Is there
a way to pull codes out of a 97 M3 without resorting to an OBD-2 reading?
maybe it's time that I just break down and buy one.  :P

thanks all!  Maybe it's time to give Jim Conforti a call.

          -kit
           97 M3/4
           http://www.mindspring.com/~kitwetzler

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#6. Re: e46 m3 - on the cover of Autoweek - from albert jenab
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:14:31 -0400
From: albert jenab <jenab@his.com>
Subject: Re: e46 m3 - on the cover of Autoweek

Nice article overall, though that yellow color is awful.  Lots of pics.
I'd like to see an independent instrumented road test, all I've seen so far
is manufacturers claims of 0-60 in 4.8 sec.

The other thing they said that I hadn't seen before is the engine will not
have hydraulic lifters.  This will mean regular valve lash adjustments via
shims, not via adjusting rockers like on 2002's and other older BMW
engines.  Supposedly there will be a system (like the SI lights) which
notifies the driver as to when this needs to be done, max every 25K miles.
Shades of my old E-type!  Wonder how complicated this will be, special
tools, etc., and what they'll be charging for Service II's.  Hope it
doesn't involve pulling the cams.  On an old 1.8 L VW GTI I used to own, it
required a special set of  tools to compress the valve springs and pull the
shims, as well as various shim sizes.  So you had to pull the valve cover,
measure the lash on each valve, remove the shims and mike them, and then go
to the dealer and buy the proper size new shim.  That was an 8-valve
engine, 24 will be interesting.  Same on the E-type, though the shims were
easier to get at.

I guess we'll have euro floating (and now drilled) rotors available at some
point through aftermarket sources.

The 300 lbs. of extra weight also bothers me.  Might be time to put a
deposit down on the M3 GT soon.  More power, less weight.

From the Automobile Magazine road test, there's also this warm-up
"feature", that keeps rpms below a certain point (4000 rpm to start) in
stages, as the car warms up.  So 8000 rpm is not available until either 10
miles, 15 minutes, or 80 deg C oil temp is reached.
-Al
95 M3

At 06:02 PM 10/19/00 -0500, "George M. Kofman" <sdg2@execpc.com> wrote:
>the new M3 is on the cover of this week's issue of Autoweek. Got it last
>night and read it. twice.
>
>19" wheel option is available in Euro only. BMWNA thinnks that americans
>will find the ride to be too harsh on bumpy roads.  I guess if you live in
>Chi town or Boston :-)
>
>composite brakes (Euro rotors) not available - Americans will rather
>sacrifice a little "non fade" than to put up with the extra noise.  makes
>total sense to me - who needs friggen brakes anyways ? they just make you go
>slow (lol)
>
>6 sp manual is the only trans choice available.  SMG will be available as an
>option (My option!)
>
>the engine is slightly detuned (5-10hp) to accomodate the cat further
>upstreat because of DOT regulations.  Euro cars have the cat further down
>streat. less heat, thus can have more HP.  american version has to be
>detuned in order not to burn out the cat.
>
>us version will have cup holders !
>
>it's a friggen heavy car - 3400+ # w/o gas.  hauls ass though.

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#7. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:14:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carlos Lopez <clopez95m3@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker

Sean Hester wrote:
>note:  in the SCCA ITS class both e36s and e30s race along side each 
>other. and e36s don't do that much better.

IT is regional stuff correct?  Are you sure this isn't just a
phenomenom in your particular region?  From what I hear the E36 *is*
superior in ITS over the E30.

>i'd expect the same thing in e36/e46 comparisons.

Ever catch the World Challenge on TV?  The E46 328's seem to be doing
much better than the E36 328's.  Of course they're from different
tuners (t.c.kline vs Turner vs ERT) so that's arguable also.

>not to say you shouldn't try it.  but it sure looks bad on paper (as a

>race car)

I agree.  Well... let's wait and see.  Maybe Bob T. will buy two and
run one in Solo II SS and another one in SCCA T1. :-) 

Carlos
Motor City Chapter



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#8. Re: [E36M3] SSR Competition 17x8" or 17x8.5" - from Ben Liaw
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:57:53 -0400
From: "Ben Liaw" <ben@shortshifter.com>
Subject: Re: [E36M3] SSR Competition 17x8" or 17x8.5"

they're not available until spring 2001.

there are no fitments for the E36 M3.

:-(

ben
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net>
To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmwmpower.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:02 PM
Subject: [E36M3] SSR Competition 17x8" or 17x8.5"


> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:17:58 -0700
> From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net>
> Subject: SSR Competition 17x8" or 17x8.5"
> 
> Does anyone have experience with these forged wheels on an E36 M3?  Any
> comments about durability or offset/spacers?  The suckers only weigh 14.4
> and 15.2 lbs. respectively and cost $359/$369!  Hmmmmm...
> 
> Dave Hogg
> 
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Dealers and E46M3's - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:10:10 -0700
From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com>
Subject: Re: [E36M3] Dealers and E46M3's

ADVICE TO ALL IN CAL:

- After you know for sure what car you want to order, go to bmwusa.com.

- Do a dealer search in close-by states that don't have tons of idiots
willing to spend ungodly amounts of money on basic stuff like rent (Idaho is
a good choice). 

- Call them up and ask for their sales manager.

- Tell him/her that you want so-and-so car with so-and-so options and you'd
be willing to place the order over the phone and come pick it up with check
in hand when it's ready.

- Negotiatate a good price.  If not, move on to another dealer.

- Fly to pick up your car when they have it and enjoy the drive home.

I have a friend who just did this and he bought a 540i Sport for $2k under
MSRP when all others were quoting him about $1500 over.  Dealers all around
the country get an allocation too and not all of them are guaranteed to
sell.  Work it to your advantage and screw the guys who are just milking our
loyalty until it's gone and you buy from someone else.

-p

on 10/20/00 4:42 AM, Robert Chay at rchay@mindspring.com wrote:

> I just went to Long Beach BMW in SoCal to see what their wait list was on
> this thing. The dickhead salesguy (aren't they all?) has almost no clue. He
> tells me that there's about 50 people on the list. So I ask about the
> LTW/GT/whatever. I got the "deer in the headlights" look from him. I said
> nevermind... have any brochures? Bingo! Got one of those. Now I ask about
> the price on one of these. DH says he doesn't know but it's definitely going
> for at least 10k over. WTF?!?! I asked him what BMW NA would think and his
> response was that they get buyers who buy the car at list and turn around
> and sells them for 10k over so why shouldn't they profit as well?

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#10. Experience with ECIS  - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:15:42 -0700
From: Bora Akyol <akyol@pluris.com>
Subject: Experience with ECIS <take 3>

It was brought to my attention that I was too harsh in my evaluation of the ECIS
intake.

So here is a correction:

I had the intake on my car for 4 days now. The results are worth the 3 hours I
spent with the install. Let us say that I may have spent 1 hour more than
necessary. The shield is still hard to get in there but once it is in, it sounds
good and performance esp combined with the J.C. chip is awesome.

I will be posting pictures of my install to aid in the installation process as I
think the instructions can use an enhancement.

And you apparently do not need to remove the charcoal canister bolts with an M3
install. Lucky for me I skipped that step and it fit fine.

Bora

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#11. Stock Suspension Nightmare - from Ted Telesky
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:16:28 -0400
From: Ted Telesky <TTelesky@compuserve.com>
Subject: Stock Suspension Nightmare

Hi All,
I posted a message yesterday about part numbers for the
stock 95M3 suspension... I spoke with my mechanic today
and it has turned into a real nightmare.  Maybe someone here
knows enough about the suspension to provide some insight.

I ordered all stock struts and shocks for my 95M3 (9/94 build) as
I like the stock ride and do 25K miles a year of driving on less
than "suspension friendly" LA freeways.

The parts came from Nick Alexander BMW.  I dropped them
off at my mechanic who later called and said the rear shocks
were OK but the front struts were wrong.  He checked his
BMW parts list and the part number was correct, but when
he listed the applicable cars for that part number, only
318/325 etc came up. Nick Alexander insisted these were
the correct part.  I finally called Century West BMW
and they gave me another set of part numbers saying
the part numbers I had were from the Lux package and
I needed the sport package.  He also said all Motorsport
part number have a "2" in the 5 position from the left - good
to know.

Anyway, my mechanic has been through 10 sets of
struts trying to get one to fit.  I am trying to verify that
my car was not modified with different springs before
I bought it so I have some questions.

1) My mechanic says the strut he needs is made for
a smaller diameter spring than the regular 3 series.
Is this true, the 95M3 has smaller diameter springs?

2) I was not aware of the 95M3 lux package having a different
suspension, is this true.  In fact some one told me the lux
package was not offered until 96.

3) Again, does anyone know for sure what part numbers
are for the front strut.

My mechanic finally went to the "warehouse" and by
matching my old strut found a match - I have no idea
if this is still correct.

I am just amazed that BMW can't even agree on this.

Thanks for any and all help.

Ted

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