E36M3 #645

Friday, October 20, 2000 15:36:02

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#1. AccuTorq Torque Limiting Sockets - from Steve D'Gerolamo
#2. E46M3 is a Porker - from Brent Williams
#3. Stock Suspension Nightmare - from Dorffer, Rich
#4. E46M3 is a Porker? - from Burgess, Kim L
#5. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Sean Hester
#6. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Sean Hester
#7. Re: [E36M3] Experience with ECIS - from Sean Hester
#8. Stock Suspension Nightmare - from Junaidi Irwan
#9. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Bryan Welch
#10. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Rich Gay
#11. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Sean Hester
#12. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Sean Hester

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#1. AccuTorq Torque Limiting Sockets - from Steve D'Gerolamo
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:54:15 -0400 From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <steved3@idt.net> Subject: AccuTorq Torque Limiting Sockets For those on the list that have been waiting for the 17mm (80 ft lb) torque socket, they are now back in stock. SD ========================================= Steve D'Gerolamo - The Ultimate Garage 201-262-0412 / steved3@idt.net / http://www.ultimategarage.com

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#2. E46M3 is a Porker - from Brent Williams
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:02:20 +0200 From: "Brent Williams" <brent@williamsconsultingltd.com> Subject: E46M3 is a Porker 4.7? Isn't that just as fast as the M5, and only a tenth faster to 60 than the stock 3.2 litre engine? I think you should get more for your money if all you get is that little bit. Geez. Ninty grand is a little expensive too. I mean, honestly, and it isn't even a real M car! For the price, you could by a new M3, AND a good track car. Or better yet, buy the M3, then buy an old e36 m3, add a new engine and suspension, strip it bare, and you will still have some cash left over. Geeez. Brent

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#3. Stock Suspension Nightmare - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:09:55 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Stock Suspension Nightmare Ted said > 2) I was not aware of the 95M3 lux package having a different suspension, is this true. In fact some one told me the lux package was not offered until 96. I have very little to add to this other than the lux package was sold on some '95's (I drove a buddy's 1995 M3 with the lux package and automatic once). I think it was available late in '95 production even before '96's came out. This may be a similar phenomena as OBD-I and OBD-II in '95. Regards, Rich 95 M3 (no lux or auto)

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#4. E46M3 is a Porker? - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:16:59 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <Kim.Burgess@PSS.Boeing.com> Subject: E46M3 is a Porker? .........."In it's current setup were finally getting the "euro" motor" .......... and I hate to split hairs (I not trying to start the flame war), but, is the US and the rest of the world getting the "euro" engine or is Europe getting the "world" engine? KLBurgess

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#5. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Sean Hester
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:55:29 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker >Hey, do the math. e36M3 3175lbs./240HP= 13.23lbs./HP >e46M3 3415lbs./333HP = 10.26lbs./HP ;-)) lession over! ahhh... drag racing math. gotta love it. then someone invented turning. ;-( _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#6. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Sean Hester
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:39:51 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker >Sean Hester wrote: > >note: in the SCCA ITS class both e36s and e30s race along side each > >other. and e36s don't do that much better. > >IT is regional stuff correct? Are you sure this isn't just a >phenomenom in your particular region? From what I hear the E36 *is* >superior in ITS over the E30. it's only small tracks where the e30s can keep up. and YES the northwest is full of short tracks (glorified autocross tracks) so i'm sure that matters. if your region is full of large, fast, open tracks, then the e30s will get KILLED. > >i'd expect the same thing in e36/e46 comparisons. > >Ever catch the World Challenge on TV? The E46 328's seem to be doing >much better than the E36 328's. Of course they're from different >tuners (t.c.kline vs Turner vs ERT) so that's arguable also. i'm not trying to imply that e46s will be slower. i'm trying to imply that large cars with large engines aren't as fun (for me). vipers are faster still, but i hate them. i'd much rather go slow in the straight, and fast in corners then the other way around. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Experience with ECIS  - from Sean Hester
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:44:16 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Experience with ECIS <take 3> >And you apparently do not need to remove the charcoal canister bolts with >an M3 >install. Lucky for me I skipped that step and it fit fine. this depends on your particular M3. i've seen three different canisters. apparently depending on the day your M3 was built you may get a short fat one, or a tall skinny one. i got a tall skinny one, so i had to move it. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#8. Stock Suspension Nightmare - from Junaidi Irwan
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Date: 20 Oct 00 12:57:36 CDT From: Junaidi Irwan <junaidi.irwan@usa.net> Subject: Stock Suspension Nightmare > From: Ted Telesky <TTelesky@compuserve.com> > Subject: Stock Suspension Nightmare > 2) I was not aware of the 95M3 lux package having a different > suspension, is this true. In fact some one told me the lux > package was not offered until 96. > Well, I got a 95 Luxury package M3. Guess your friend or whoever told you is wrong. Junaidi *** Junaidi W Irwan *** Junaidi.Irwan@usa.net cuwei@hotmail.com ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1

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#9. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Bryan Welch
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:05:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Welch <bryanw@internap.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker Dont tell NASCAR, they can only turn left, :-) Bryan-- Formula 1 and CART fan, they can turn both ways. On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Sean Hester wrote: > Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:02:19 -0500 > From: Sean Hester <seanh_race@hotmail.com> > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker > > Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:55:29 PDT > From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker > > >Hey, do the math. e36M3 3175lbs./240HP= 13.23lbs./HP > >e46M3 3415lbs./333HP = 10.26lbs./HP ;-)) lession over! > > ahhh... drag racing math. gotta love it. > > then someone invented turning. ;-( > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > > >

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#10. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Rich Gay
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:36:51 -0500 From: "Rich Gay" <rich_gay@linbeck.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker on 10/20/00 1:02 PM, Sean Hester at seanh_race@hotmail.com wrote: > vipers are faster still, but i hate them. i'd much rather go slow in the > straight, and fast in corners then the other way around. Are we on this subject again? A properly driven Viper is really quite fast through turns. They are amazing cars in all respects. - Rich

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#11. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Sean Hester
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:16:21 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker >Dont tell NASCAR, they can only turn left, :-) ahhh... nascar math. gotta love that too. ;-) how do you get a car to turn corners really fast? make it light and give it some wings? nah... we like too heavy, with too big an engine cars better. just get out the physics and trig books and see how much banking you'll need to keep your overpowered brick of a car from flying off the turns. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#12. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker - from Sean Hester
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:40:02 PDT From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46M3 is a Porker > > vipers are faster still, but i hate them. i'd much rather go slow in >the > > straight, and fast in corners then the other way around. > >Are we on this subject again? > >A properly driven Viper is really quite fast through turns. They are >amazing >cars in all respects. i think i'm not stating my case right. i don't care fow fast vipers or e46 M3s are. i don't LIKE (see the work LIKE in there? it's a preference thing)) to drive heavy cars with big engines. i don't LIKE it. i don't L I K E it. i don't LIKE to race vipers, or mustangs, camaros, or winston cup cars. i LIKE to race small/light cars. (rx7s, 2002s, e30s, e36s). e36s are my limit for "too heavy". and i'd actually rather them be lighter. i have more run racing 2002s then e36s. even though the e36s pass me like i'm standing still. thus... e46s (being several hundres pounds heaver then an e36) are too heavy for me to LIKE to race. i know they'll be faster. it doesn't matter. i won't LIKE it. i'd rather have a lighter car with a smaller engine. that's all i'm saying. i'm not saying i expect the e46 M3 to be a slower race car. i'm saying i won't LIKE to race it. P.S. all this changes for street cars of course. a heavy car with a big engine is fine for street driving. so i'll probably buy an e46 M3 when my place on the list comes up. but will i race it? no. will i bring it to the track? no. why? not becuase it's too slow. but because i won't LIKE it. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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