E36M3 #691

Thursday, November 09, 2000 13:48:25

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Daily Commutes - from Andrej Dolenc
#2. Re: A032's in the Rain, and other R tire stuff - from Neil Maller
#3. Euro parts - from dholeman@spooze.com
#4. Re: Brake wear indicator always on - from Neil Maller
#5. Re: A032's in the Rain - from Dorffer, Rich
#6. Re: A032's in the Rain, and other R tire stuff - from Neil Maller
#7. Wheels ?'s... - from Luis Rueda
#8. Re: A032's in the Rain - from Michael Metzler
#9. H&R coilovers - from Kit Wetzler
#10. E46 m3 thread from the rennlist.... - from George M. Kofman
#11. Re: [E36M3] A032's in the Rain - from Sean Hester
#12. Re: [E36M3] Brake ware indicator always on - from Sean Hester
#13. Re: [E36M3] Gauge Gremlin - from Roy Kao
#14. Re: AO32s in the Rain - from TWilli3186@aol.com

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Daily Commutes - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:39:24 -0600 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Daily Commutes My M3 stays safely garaged at home while I enjoy public transportation to get me to and from work. That way the M3 doesn't have to endure Washington DC (war-zone) roads, endless stop'n'go traffic, crazed cell-phone talking drivers, while I chill out, read a magazine, listen to some tunes. 'Spirit-killing' drives? absolutely! Last night I went to the national capital chapter board meeting, fully expecting to be stuck in stop'n'go rush hour traffic, and I left the house at 6:30pm. Inadequate public transportation networks, overburdened roads, all of the urban congestion is gonna get worse before it gets better. I agree with him. off my soapbox Andrej '97 M3 > I found this on the autox list (during a discussion on the election, of > course), and thought everyone would appreciate it: > IMO, motorsports enthusiasts should be leading the fight for better mass > transit, for better alternatives to gridlock-inducing urban sprawl, and > for clean-burning, high-mileage cars. If we can reduce the amount of time > and miles and gas wasted and pollution created on those mindless, > spirit-killing daily urban commutes, the world will probably continue to > be a friendlier place for having fun with cars. > Obviously this poor soul has never driven an M3 during his commute :) My > daily urban commute is anything but "spirit-killing". > --Sean > '98 M3/4 > Sharked > Dinan Airbox (until the spring when it gets replace w/ a Jim C. unit) > UUC Clutch Stop (Best adjustable appliance foot I ever paid $20 for :)

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#2. Re: A032's in the Rain, and other R tire stuff - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 12:53:08 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: A032's in the Rain, and other R tire stuff > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 21:18:47 -0500 > From: Rob Jackowitz <rjme@msn.com> > > Does anyone have any experience running these in rain? It looks like I'll > be running my Friday track event in the wet and was wondering how these > compare with Michelin MXX3's in the rain. How are they in standing water > for say the trip up to the track? > > Thanks for your feedback. > > Rob The Yokohama A032R is a track tire of choice in the rain, at least as long as they have some tread. Like all R compound tires they grip best with heat in them, which is harder to achieve in the wet. Because the tread blocks are very large, they're not at their best crossing standing water. Again, like other type R tires, when they do let go they'll do so more abruptly than street tires. The original MXX3 tires (not the later Pilot Sport version) on my car were just so-so in the wet. Reportedly the Sport version with its directional tread is somewhat better. The Bridgestone S-02 PPs that I run now are much superior in the wet, without giving up much if anything in the dry to the Michelins. Donna Seeley also added: > The Yoks are a great all-season tire, but they don't have the dry grip of > the Kumho-Rs or Toyo-Rs. I haven't tried the Toyos, but was unimpressed with the set of Kumhos I've just used up. I got maybe 40% less life out of them than the Yokos, and didn't find they have much - if any - more grip. Part of that may be that they don't really come in the right size for the E36 M3. You have to choose either: - 225/45 (too narrow) - 245/45 (too tall) - 255/40 (too wide). I went with too narrow, and they were, well, too narrow. The Yokes come in the better 235/40 size. The lower price of the Kumhos ($130 vs. $154 for Yokos at Tire Rack) certainly doesn't make up for their much shorter life. Neil 96 M3 - going back to the A032R next season

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#3. Euro parts - from dholeman@spooze.com
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Date: 9 Nov 2000 09:58:45 -0800 From: dholeman@spooze.com Subject: Euro parts Hi, I am looking for a source for a complete Euro radiator for 93 pre ews 3.0l engine. Can anyone recommend best price/way to obtain new Euro BMW OEM parts. David

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#4. Re: Brake wear indicator always on - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 13:03:51 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Brake wear indicator always on on 11/9/00 11:56, E36M3 at e36m3@bmwmpower.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:44:23 -0600 > From: "Brian Liau" <bliau@hotmail.com>n > > I just wrapped the end in electrical tape and tie-wrapped it to the strut > hoping the sensor indicator would shut off in the instrument panel, but it > didn't. i assumed by wrapping it in tape that i would prevent the it from > completing the circuit. do i have to replace the whole sensor for the light > to reset? Yes you do. The indicator comes on by breaking the circuit, not making it. So once the indicator end is damaged or worn away, the light stays on. Neil 96 M3

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#5. Re: A032's in the Rain - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:09:48 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Re: A032's in the Rain A lot of people have commented on the Yok A032R's in the rain. Quite simply, at full tread depth, these are very good rain tires (better than MXX3's) and very good in the dry at any tread depth. If the tread is more than half worn to none (referring to the tread sipes and not the total tread available on A032R's since they can be worn for some time once the tread sipes are gone), they will be very bad in the rain (little to no sipes to help wisk away the water and hydroplaning more likely to result). They will also wear much faster than MXX3's (like two to three times faster I would bet). But they are better in the dry compared to the MXX3's although they are quite noisy at various speeds compared to the MXX3's. Tires - Simply represent compromises of various qualities (tread life, dry traction, wet traction, etc.). Best regards, Rich Ed Tang probably said it the best and I read his post after writing mine above.

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#6. Re: A032's in the Rain, and other R tire stuff - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 13:18:31 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: A032's in the Rain, and other R tire stuff on 11/9/00 11:56, E36M3 at e36m3@bmwmpower.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 06:44:25 -0700 > From: Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> > > First, I think your air pressure is waaay high for these tires. On the > street E36 (stock + x-brace) I had them at 30lbs all around and got center > wear on the rears. Now I run them at 25-27 lbs. They feel squirmy but > there's much more grip. Donna, The instructions I got from a Yoke factory rep a couple of years ago were to inflate them enough that the little moulded diamonds where the tread meets the sidewall don't get completely ground off by the tire rolling over. In practice this comes out to be around 40 psi hot, low-mid 30s cold depending on ambient. I get pretty even wear at the track this way. Although I have a modified suspension (H&R/Koni/RD bars/neg camber) the setup worked about the same when it used to be stock, except for more outside edge wear. I don't run the Yokes on the street except occasionally, so don't have an opinion on that. > On the track E30, I ran 23lbs cold and was happy with wet and dry > performance at Sears Point (that's why I put a set on the street car). But the E30 is much lighter, has different wheel and tires sizes, etc. Lots of variables, I don't have a clue how it'd relate to an E36. Neil 96 M3

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#7. Wheels ?'s... - from Luis Rueda
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:25:28 -0500 From: "Luis Rueda" <Luis_Rueda@Interliant.COM> Subject: Wheels ?'s... I'm thinking in getting some lighter aftermarket wheels for my '95 M3 (17x8 SSR Integrals). Can I fit 245 tires on these w/out any rubbing? (Bilsteins/H&R's on). Does anybody knows what kind of spacers would I need to fit the stock contours (17x7.5 w/235/40 MXX-3's) onto my E28 M5? T.I.A. Luis CCA member

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#8. Re: A032's in the Rain - from Michael Metzler
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:29:01 -0500 From: "Michael Metzler" <metzler@isciences.com> Subject: Re: A032's in the Rain Donna wrote: > First, I think your air pressure is waaay high for these tires. On the > street E36 (stock + x-brace) I had them at 30lbs all around and got center > wear on the rears. Now I run them at 25-27 lbs. They feel squirmy but > there's much more grip. Donna, Thanks for your comments -- I will need to try the lower pressures. On "nice" days, i.e., 70F or so and dry, I really liked the tires. Cold and wet, I didn't. Perhaps a pressure change would help. > My caveat: The Yoks do harden with heat-cycling. The street car is stepping > out a lot even though there is quite a bit of tread showing. I don't think > I'd drive to tracks more than a couple of hours away on them. So perhaps you would not have advised my driving 400 miles (each way) to Road America earlier this fall... Mike

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#9. H&R coilovers - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:43:49 -0800 From: Kit Wetzler <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: H&R coilovers Hi everyone, question: I am considering buying a set of H&R coilovers off a 95 M3. I have K-Mac camber plates on a 97 M3/4. Will the H&Rs just bolt up to the car with the K-Macs? I know the 95 and the 96+ have different upper spring perches, but with the coilovers, I won't be using them, correct? Thanks in advance for the enlightenment. :) BTW, if anyone is interested, I'll have a set of H&R's and Konis for sale... the Konis are already dropped into the stock strut housings, and will bolt right up to the car, it'll save you gutting your stock shocks. I'd probably like $600 for the set? Konis are $500-$550 new, and the H&R sports are $246... I guess I'm only saving you $146 over the set from TC Kline, but you don't have to gut the frot shocks. :) I'm in Sunnyvale and would prefer someone local. They're about 2-3 months, and 5K miles old. Also, anyone here going to either the MR2 club event at Laguna Seca ($180, November 24th, still spots open) or the Touring Car Club events at Sears Point or Laguna Seca in December? -kit, must... have... track time... 97 m3/4

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#10. E46 m3 thread from the rennlist.... - from George M. Kofman
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:52:39 -0600 From: "George M. Kofman" <sdg2@execpc.com> Subject: E46 m3 thread from the rennlist.... http://140.239.85.211/cgi-bin/993-996.pl?read=43078 check it out ! GMK '97 MMM/4

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#11. Re: [E36M3] A032's in the Rain - from Sean Hester
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:58:54 PST From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] A032's in the Rain >Does anyone have any experience running these in rain? It looks like I'll >be running my Friday track event in the wet and was wondering how these >compare with Michelin MXX3's in the rain. How are they in standing water >for say the trip up to the track? > >Thanks for your feedback. they are better then most R compound tires in the rain. (with toyo RA1s being better or at least as good) A032s or RA1s are the SCCA rain tire of choice. here's the deal. they perform GREAT as rain tires as long as the "tread" does not fill up. if it does fill up, you're in a world of hurt. (hydroplaning) if they are new, with half an inch of tread, you're pretty much fine, even in standing water. if you're down to the wear bars (or lower) then you need to stay away from puddles. about driving to the track. with the wierd tread pattern, speed matters alot too. if you're only going 55mph you can go through a lot deeper puddle before you saturate the tread. meaning... driving them to the track should be fine. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#12. Re: [E36M3] Brake ware indicator always on - from Sean Hester
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 11:05:55 PST From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Brake ware indicator always on >recently my brake sensor came on so i changed my brake pads. i destroyed >the ceramic end while trying to put it back into my new pads. so i just >wrapped the end in electrical tape and tie-wrapped it to the strut hoping >the sensor indicator would shut off in the instrument panel, but it didn't. >i assumed by wrapping it in tape that i would prevent the it from >completing >the >circuit. do i have to replace the whole sensor for the light to reset? completing the circuit is what you WANT to do. the circuit is closed when you buy it. the idea being that if the head rubs against the rotor (because the pads are too thin) it'll wear a break in the circuit and cause the light to come on. if you don't want the sensor in place, and want the light off, then tie the ends of the wires TOGETHER and tape them up. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#13. Re: [E36M3] Gauge Gremlin - from Roy Kao
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:13:43 EST From: "Roy Kao" <bimmerphile@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Gauge Gremlin I had that happen to my car and it also was intermittent though as time went on, it happened more often. The dealer repaired it during an oil service appointment and apparently they replaced the sender unit within the fuel tank. It has been operating normally since. Roy '99 M3/2 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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#14. Re: AO32s in the Rain - from TWilli3186@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:18:03 EST From: TWilli3186@aol.com Subject: Re: AO32s in the Rain Rob, I've run AO32s in the rain at Mission (B.C.), SIR, and Spokane with no problem. Also drove 250 miles back from Spokane to Seattle in pouring rain with no problem. In fact, the AO32s are better on a wet track than my MXX3s, though that's probably because my rear MXX3s are down to about 4/32" of tread after 20,000 miles. The (unshaved) AO32s are really Yokohama's "wet" racing tire, so I understand. Just make sure you have them mounted directionally as indicated on the sidewall, and those big grooves do a pretty good job of throwing off water. If you haven't driven them in rain before, on the street or on the track, I'd suggest you get accustomed to them before you try test their limits in water. YMMV, Tim Williams 98 M3/4 >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 21:18:47 -0500 >From: Rob Jackowitz <rjme@msn.com> >Subject: A032's in the Rain > >Does anyone have any experience running these in rain? It looks like I'll >be running my Friday track event in the wet and was wondering how these >compare with Michelin MXX3's in the rain. How are they in standing water >for say the trip up to the track? > >Thanks for your feedback. > >Rob

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