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#1. Re: [E36M3] Car and Driver Review - from Matt Henson
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:32:12 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Car and Driver Review So, Sean.. what was your final suspension receipe to achieve that perfect balance? Components? Alignment? I assube it couldn't have been neutral in all conditions since the M3 isn't a prototype race car but what was the final outcome? Would you describe your car as easy to drive or was it a monster. How was trailing throttle and brake response? -Matt --- Sean Hester <seanh_race@hotmail.com> wrote: > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 00:09:56 PST > From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Car and Driver Review > > >I used to own a 1996 M3 but sold it to buy a used > 1995 993. > >I like the 993 but the M3 was a better all around > car. > >My $500 is holding me the option of buying a new M3 > when it comes my > >turn. I am a little concerned now because I just > read a review in the > >December Car and Driver that said the new M3 > suffered from alot of > >understeer. > >They said the back tires stayed put but the front > tires would slide. > > > >I took my 1996 M3 to numerous driving schools and > never had a problem. > > the thing i was thinking the whole time i read that > review was "what are you > talking about? the e36 M3 has ALOT ALOT of > understeer. i spend hunders of > dollars and hours (adjustible camber plates, > adjustible shocks, tires, > fiddling with air pressures, fiddling with adjusting > my adjustible shocks, > fiddling with camber, fiddling with toe, etc, etc, > etc, etc...) trying to > get rid of that understeer. after 2 years i finally > got my car to "neutral > handling". and i'll bet only 1 e36 M3 in 1000 comes > close having neutral > handling (as opposed to LOTS of oversteer) > > if the they describe the e36 as "neutral" and the > e46 M3 as "alot of > understeer" i'm VERY scared. > > >Could someone explain to me exactly what understeer > is and is this > >going to be a big problem in the new M3. > > you quoted them as saying... "They said the back > tires stayed put but the > front tires would slide." > > that's pretty much the definition of understeer. > > it's not a "problem" if your goal is staying on the > road. i'm sure > insurance adjusters every are rejoicing that the new > M3 has lots of > understeer. the average american driver with 350hp > and a neutral handling > car will probably wrap it around a tree within a > month of buying it. > > it WILL be a problem if track driving, and/or > racing, and/or autocrossing, > and/or enthusiast driving is your goal. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/
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#2. Re: Car and Driver Review - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:58:30 GMT From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Car and Driver Review Understeer = cars turns _less_ than you've dialed in (NASCAR guys call it "push"). Sounds like the C&D guys need to learn to drive properly... -rb >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:15:34 -0500 >From: Rick Knebel <rknebel@uplink.net> >Subject: Car and Driver Review > >Hi, > >I used to own a 1996 M3 but sold it to buy a used 1995 993. >I like the 993 but the M3 was a better all around car. >My $500 is holding me the option of buying a new M3 when it comes my >turn. I am a little concerned now because I just read a review in the >December Car and Driver that said the new M3 suffered from alot of >understeer. >They said the back tires stayed put but the front tires would slide. > >I took my 1996 M3 to numerous driving schools and never had a problem. > >Could someone explain to me exactly what understeer is and is this >going to be a big problem in the new M3. > > >Thanks >Alot > >Rick _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Car and Driver Review - from Jim Powell
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:28:44 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Car and Driver Review You have entered a turn too fast. Understeer means you leave the track nose first. Oversteer means you leave the track trunk first. Neutral means you leave the track sideways. Jim Ron Buchalski wrote: > > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:58:30 GMT > From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Car and Driver Review > > Understeer = cars turns _less_ than you've dialed in (NASCAR guys call it > "push"). > > Sounds like the C&D guys need to learn to drive properly... > > -rb > > >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:15:34 -0500 > >From: Rick Knebel <rknebel@uplink.net> > >Subject: Car and Driver Review > > > >Hi, > > > >I used to own a 1996 M3 but sold it to buy a used 1995 993. > >I like the 993 but the M3 was a better all around car. > >My $500 is holding me the option of buying a new M3 when it comes my > >turn. I am a little concerned now because I just read a review in the > >December Car and Driver that said the new M3 suffered from alot of > >understeer. > >They said the back tires stayed put but the front tires would slide. > > > >I took my 1996 M3 to numerous driving schools and never had a problem. > > > >Could someone explain to me exactly what understeer is and is this > >going to be a big problem in the new M3. > > > > > >Thanks > >Alot > > > >Rick > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************
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#4. re: wings - from russell
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) From: russell <driver8m3@yahoo.com> Subject: re: wings -someone asked??? "I don't know what happens if you _add_ an M-Technic wing to a car that already has the third brake light -- is there a version of the M-Technic wing without a light? Do you end up with two third brake lights (Ugh!) ?" if you had a wing installed as a dealer-installed option, you will have 2 3rd brake lights.....my dealer told me that they would disconnect the one behind the rear seats, so only the one on the wing would work.... russell '99 dakar ===== "...extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."--bg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/
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#5. atp type 5 rims - from russell
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:08:00 -0800 (PST) From: russell <driver8m3@yahoo.com> Subject: atp type 5 rims finally got the rims on the car... here's the story: 8.5 x 17 atp type 5 wheels with 245/40 zr17 kumho ecsta supra tires DO NOT fit on the front of the car...no problem with the rear. the offset of this rim is 45mm, which causes the problem in the front. i finally got the 5mm spacers from tirerack ($15 each). with the spacers, everything is fine. at 1st tirerack (doug) told me they didnt sell spacers. i found out later (from aaron at tirerack) that they do. you will also need the longer lug bolts. aaron also said i would need to roll the front fenders. he seemed very knowledgable about this setup, but the wheels/tires seem to fit ok without rolling-i havent noticed any rubbing on the fenders, and i've given it a few pretty good test runs. i have a stock suspension. these wheels are so much easier to clean then the m double spoke IIs. if you've always had the contours, you dont know how good you have it. russell '99 dakar ===== "...extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."--bg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/
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#6. Rear Shock mounts - from ClassiGuy3@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:30:24 EST From: ClassiGuy3@aol.com Subject: Rear Shock mounts I ordered the rear Aluminum shock mounts from bmp, (they are the same as the ones from turner motorsport) I installed them adn went out that evening. apparently the weight of 4 passengers in my car casued the lower rubber bushings to collapse and fail, therefor It was casuing alot of banging sounds. Ia mrunning bilsteins with Hr 1 inch drop springs. Is this normal?, what should I do I am very issapointed with these aftermarket shock mounts, i should havestayed stock. Leo 95//M3
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#7. Re: ANOTHER JC INTAKE QUESTION, SORRY - from JSDONE@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:45:27 EST From: JSDONE@aol.com Subject: Re: ANOTHER JC INTAKE QUESTION, SORRY I own a bone stock M3 (1998) auto and would like to enhance the performance some. I have really been seriously considering the J.C. intake and chip. I have now realized that because of the automatic I have to send the chip in each time I have the car serviced at the BMW dealership..I have 2 more years left on the warranty... I think I will go with the J.C. intake only untill I get my warranty out of the way... Does anyone have an opinion as to my decision??Also, does anyone have a "98" auto with the intake that could tell me if this upgrade alone is worth it and describe please...Thanks, John
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#8. Re: Hey, that's not Vanos noise! - from Lee Hassig
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:37:45 -0500 From: "Lee Hassig" <lhassig@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Hey, that's not Vanos noise! Jonathan, the noises you refer to below sound like one I've been told come from the HVAC system settling down. Apparently there are a bunch of electrically operated/automated components inside that sometimes sound like they have a mind of their own after the engine is turned off. Odd, but nothing to worry about, I think. Lee Hassig '95 M3 --- Ever since about the second month or so of ownership, I've noticed a "kerlump" five seconds of no odd noises "kerlump" five seconds of no odd noises, etc. It almost sounds like when you tap four of your fingers on a desk, in succession. All along, I've assumed this was the vanos/marble sound people speak of... Not so
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#9. RE:Car and Driver Review - from Steven Hazard
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:18:04 -0600 From: "Steven Hazard" <98m3@mediaone.net> Subject: RE:Car and Driver Review According to the rumor mill.....There were certain folks from the automotive press that day that forgot to turn off the DSC switch :-) Not sure if the Car & Driver tester was one of them, but it sure sounds like it...... You want to see am M3 understeer leave your DSC engaged! It's a pig!!!!!! Most of the reviews coming in on the E46M3 say it handles better than the E36 version...A stiffer ride, less body roll etc....only a few of the tests picked on it plowing (AKA Understeer) in the tightest corners.... As some of us have already said the biggest complaint is its weight....3400+ lbs is getting porky.. I for one am in no hurry to buy the new car.....I'm waiting for the "GT"..If BMW wants to play in that other Euro race series with the big boys they will need to either drop the V8 in one form or another, or create a hyper I-6 with a couple of hundred lbs of weight savings....Either way I'm all over that bad boy...THAT CAR WILL RIVAL THE E30M3! A PURPOSE BUILT CAR.......for purists.... Check out this website that a Bimmer.org dude has setup....Lots of review articles.. http://www.thedoughouse.com/images/ Regards, Steve Sean posted> the thing i was thinking the whole time i read that review was "what are you talking about? the e36 M3 has ALOT ALOT of understeer. i spend hunders of dollars and hours (adjustible camber plates, adjustible shocks, tires, fiddling with air pressures, fiddling with adjusting my adjustible shocks, fiddling with camber, fiddling with toe, etc, etc, etc, etc...) trying to get rid of that understeer. after 2 years i finally got my car to "neutral handling". and i'll bet only 1 e36 M3 in 1000 comes close having neutral handling (as opposed to LOTS of oversteer) Sean posted> the thing i was thinking the whole time i read that review was "what are you talking about? the e36 M3 has ALOT ALOT of understeer. i spend hunders of dollars and hours (adjustible camber plates, adjustible shocks, tires, fiddling with air pressures, fiddling with adjusting my adjustible shocks, fiddling with camber, fiddling with toe, etc, etc, etc, etc...) trying to get rid of that understeer. after 2 years i finally got my car to "neutral handling". and i'll bet only 1 e36 M3 in 1000 comes close having neutral handling (as opposed to LOTS of oversteer)
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Rear Shock mounts - from Jim Powell
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:22:32 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear Shock mounts You should have tightened the locking nut all the way. Jim ClassiGuy3@aol.com wrote: > > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:30:24 EST > From: ClassiGuy3@aol.com > Subject: Rear Shock mounts > > I ordered the rear Aluminum shock mounts from bmp, (they are the same as the > ones from turner motorsport) I installed them adn went out that evening. > apparently the weight of 4 passengers in my car casued the lower rubber > bushings to collapse and fail, therefor It was casuing alot of banging > sounds. Ia mrunning bilsteins with Hr 1 inch drop springs. Is this normal?, > what should I do I am very issapointed with these aftermarket shock mounts, i > should havestayed stock. > > Leo > 95//M3 > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************