E36M3 #716

Tuesday, November 21, 2000 08:56:27

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: [E36M3] RE: Fooling the seatbelt tensioner - from Jim Powell
#2. re: neutral M3s - from Stan Shaw III
#3. Re: E36 M3 plastic underpanel - from Stan Shaw III
#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Car and Driver Review - from Heckendorf, David
#5. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 plastic underpanel - from Chester Wong
#6. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 plastic underpanel - from Chester Wong
#7. Lunatica Laguna - from Jim Powell
#8. Laguna - from Mark Kern
#9. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 plastic underpanel - from Peter Guagenti
#10. Re: [E36M3] Lunatica Laguna - from Donna Seeley
#11. BMW CAR mag -November issue - from Mdriver13@aol.com
#12. Re: [E36M3] pics from Laguna - from Donna Seeley

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#1. Re: [E36M3] RE: Fooling the seatbelt tensioner - from Jim Powell
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:22:00 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Fooling the seatbelt tensioner Inserting the meter in series in current mode comes to mind. Ohms law would answer the resistance question. Assuming the Z is all resistance. Jim Sean Hester wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:45:09 PST > From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Fooling the seatbelt tensioner > > >Don't know if this will work on a 98, but on my 95 the seatbelt > >tensioner presents a 100 ohm resistance between the two > >outside pins of the three pin connector under the seat. I just > >cut the connector off and soldered a 100 ohm resistor between > >the two pins and then plugged it back in and had the light reset. > > that's all that the recaro plugs you can buy are. a new connector with a > resistor soldered across the pins. > > the hard part is finding the resistance. i was afraid that putting an > ohmmeter across the pins might set off the tensioner and make it explode in > my face. since an ohmmeter works by putitng current into the system, i was > afraid that "signal" might set the thing off. how did you find out it was > 100 ohms? are you just less chicken then me? > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************

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#2. re: neutral M3s - from Stan Shaw III
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:50:43 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw III" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: re: neutral M3s Sean, Thanks for the posting. I am saving it, as I may club race an E36 M3 next year. Offhand do you know how much/any difference there would be between a '95 and '96 Lux? Weight/balance would seem to be the key, correct? Regards, Stan Shaw Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0407 Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net http://www.excell.net/

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#3. Re: E36 M3 plastic underpanel - from Stan Shaw III
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:53:29 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw III" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Re: E36 M3 plastic underpanel I installed my JTD underpanel about 4 months ago, and am very happy with it. I have been to the track 4-6 days since then, as well as normal daily driving. Does anyone know if this underpanel has been used on a E36 M3 in club racing for a stock classed car? Thanks! Regards, Stan Shaw Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0407 Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net http://www.excell.net/

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Car and Driver Review - from Heckendorf, David
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:32:54 -0500 From: "Heckendorf, David" <DHeckendorf@broadband.att.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Car and Driver Review Jim, Those who were at L.S. this past weekend missed me as well. Although they probably never missed me, hell I had to have my brakes get too hot going into 5 and do a four-wheel drift looking at your driver's door before YOU realized I was back there last year, Jim!!! But that before you got Katarina her club feet and ventilator; but I digress.... When I saw the price for L.S. from the L.A. chapter this year (and knew I wasn't going to make it for work reasons), I dropped a line to Leif Anderberg (Organizer of L.S. HPDS) to see what had happened that caused a 25%+ price increase over last year and he sited the following: - Cost of Insurance (the L.A. chapter has had at least two incidents there in the past four years and one of them was a instructor driving a student's car). - Cost of EMT/Ambulance (they have to be on-site all day both days, even if they do nothing) - Cost of Corner Workers/Volunteers (I believe they are paid a small amount (CWs) and get lunch both days) - And most importantly, Track Rental (which was particularly buggered due to being limited to 85 cars instead of ~115 by demand of L.S., the Ins. Co. or a combination or both) Leif said the club doesn't make any profit to speak of and I trust him, he's always be a straight-shooter with me... L.S. is a special track and I will go back; but, I too find that the CCA schools are getting kinda high on the cost side of the cost/benefit ratio... Regards, Dave BTW, if anyone in the L.A. area hears someone bragging about keying a Techno Violet M3 this past Friday night at the Century City Mall, send me their name/address I'd love to have a "talk" with them... -----Original Message----- Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:52:30 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Car and Driver Review You will continue to miss me at Laguna for CCA schools. The pricing model is skewed. The typical 2 2/3 hours of track time over a weekend is insuffiicient given the $$ cost. Non-CCA schools represent a better value at this point. So far the San Diego school at Buttonwillow and some LA chapter schools make sense financially. Laguna might make sense if I lived locally and had no travel costs associated with it. But for me, with the present cost structure, Laguna represents an approximate cost of $1K (and 8 hours each way of travel time) for 3 hours or less of track time. I don't consider that to be 'worth it'. I will drive there again but outside of the CCA environment. The CCA schools in some cases don't seem to be run by a non-profit organization anymore. I certainly don't have numbers to back that up and its none of my business anyway, how local chapters choose to accumulate money or not. They'll just accumulate less of mine. As for my off track excursions, he who is without sin, cast the first stone. :) Jim

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#5. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 plastic underpanel - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:35:55 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 plastic underpanel I don't understand how y'all are breaking the underpanel and losing it. I attempted to flush my coolant this past weekend and removed the underpanel to gain access to the radiator plug. That underpanel piece is shaped like a "U", correct (when viewed from the front of the car)? The ends of the U are attached to the subframe view 4 screws. I guess you guys crack the legs that reach up to the subframe (the arms of the "U")?? BTW, when reinstalling the panel, I noticed that there are two rather flimsy pieces of plastic just hanging around (meaning that they don't attach to anything below...just from somewhere above. I did notice that those metal clips that slip over panels were present on the feet of the plastic pieces but nothing bolts to it....strange, huh? BTW, the reason why I said, "attempted to flush" my radiator was I couldn't get the drain plug off of the engine block. The oxygen sensor was definitely in the way. I even tried to budge it, but it wasn't going anywhere! Any tips? Specific tools like offset box wrenches or something? Is it necessary to remove the drain plug? Should I worry that I didn't get all of it out? Thanks, Chester > I tore up the plastic underpanel that connects to the underside of the front > spoiler on my 96 M3. I'm considering replacing it with the JTD aluminum > underpanel. Has anyone found this to be more durable or am I just going to > tear up a more expensive aluminum underpanel on my next off-track excursion? ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

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#6. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 plastic underpanel - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:36:17 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 plastic underpanel I don't understand how y'all are breaking the underpanel and losing it. I attempted to flush my coolant this past weekend and removed the underpanel to gain access to the radiator plug. That underpanel piece is shaped like a "U", correct (when viewed from the front of the car)? The ends of the U are attached to the subframe view 4 screws. I guess you guys crack the legs that reach up to the subframe (the arms of the "U")?? BTW, when reinstalling the panel, I noticed that there are two rather flimsy pieces of plastic just hanging around (meaning that they don't attach to anything below...just from somewhere above. I did notice that those metal clips that slip over panels were present on the feet of the plastic pieces but nothing bolts to it....strange, huh? BTW, the reason why I said, "attempted to flush" my radiator was I couldn't get the drain plug off of the engine block. The oxygen sensor was definitely in the way. I even tried to budge it, but it wasn't going anywhere! Any tips? Specific tools like offset box wrenches or something? Is it necessary to remove the drain plug? Should I worry that I didn't get all of it out? Thanks, Chester > I tore up the plastic underpanel that connects to the underside of the front > spoiler on my 96 M3. I'm considering replacing it with the JTD aluminum > underpanel. Has anyone found this to be more durable or am I just going to > tear up a more expensive aluminum underpanel on my next off-track excursion? ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

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#7. Lunatica Laguna - from Jim Powell
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:03:41 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Lunatica Laguna David Heckendorf said: > Leif said the club doesn't make any profit to speak of and I trust him, he's > always be a straight-shooter with me... My comments shouldn't be construed to insinuate that I think LA or GGC or anyone else is making a killing on Laguna Seca schools. I don't know. People who are close friends of mine like Sherman Koo tell me that they aren't. I believe him. I have strong reasons to suspect that LA may glean more pocket money from their schools overall than San Diego does. But is it too much? I haven't a clue and don't have much interest in finding out. I've heard all the stories about why the cost for Laguna has gone up and don't doubt a single one of them. Its simply just too much money for the benefit for me. Say what? I've actually been known to miss a $320 school at Buttonwillow for two days and pay $700 for one day at Buttonwillow. While I may or may not be the most ummmm, calm, rational person to some of you, this makes perfect sense to me. At the typical CCA school you get about 3 hours of track time over 8 sessions in two days. Okey dokey. About $100 per hour at the cheapest CCA school. I got about 7 hours at the one day school because I was allowed to stay on the track continuously. Only mother nature and the gas gauge kept me off the track. Still about $100 per hour. So what the fook am I griping about? Well, to me, extended trak time equals learning and practicing. In 20 - 30 minutes of track time at a typical CCA school, I'm about warmed up and in the groove again from the last session. I don't add gobs-o-knowledge from one session to the next. For me personally, you will probably be different, the $$ per degree of ramp in my learning curve is much, much better if I can keep my feeble mind on the track for 45 minutes or so at a time. YMMV. And that's all I'm saying. I don't know and I don't care if LA and GGC keep more of the take from the schools than San Diego or any other chapter. It's irrelevant to me. I personally am just choosing to spend my money in other venues. My purpose to write is to make sure all of us are aware that there are, in fact, other venues. Typically staffed by the same pool of instructors, BTW. What all of you do is up to you. As always, my motto is, it's your money. Jim

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#8. Laguna - from Mark Kern
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:12:59 -0800 From: "Mark Kern" <markkern@home.com> Subject: Laguna Just did my first school at Laguna. Great pics, Scott (nice to see even B group doesn't nail the line everytime. :). I hope you get more to post. In my own case, I discovered just how slow I was. Car-wise, I noticed on the second day that I was getting shudders when I braked in the first session (cold out). These went away or subsided as the day wore on. My instructor thought at first that I had warped rotors, but later he wasn't so sure. Any clues? Should I have them checked out? On the street afterwards, I didn't detect any problems. - Markus

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#9. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 plastic underpanel - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:57:04 -0800 From: "Peter Guagenti" <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 plastic underpanel > I don't understand how y'all are breaking the underpanel and losing it Try hitting and dragging a big orange road cone around a parking lot at high speeds for a minute. That tends to kill the cheesy plastic junk under the car. ;-) - peterg (still haven't figured out how to _not_ hit those suckers)

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Lunatica Laguna - from Donna Seeley
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:37:41 -0700 From: Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Lunatica Laguna As a hopeless track junkie, I'd like to chime in on the value of CCA schools. I go out 2-3 times a month - 30 track days this year, even with 10 weeks off for a broken arm and post-Ofest wallet recovery. Seat time alone is great, but I go to every CCA school I can for the instruction. In the last two weekends, at Sears Point and Laguna, three of my four instructors were guys I'll be racing against next season (Carl, Blaine, and Tim). All four did their damnedest to make me a good competitor instead of a speed bump, and I made quantum leaps in my skills. As far as I'm concerned, it was worth every penny! I don't begrudge the instructors their motel rooms and lunches, since they'd all rather be on the track themselves, and GGC and LA don't let them go out by themselves (I don't know about SD). I was signed off almost immediately both weekends but only went out by myself three times. Solo seat time is cheap and easy to get, but good teachers giving instant feedback are worth paying for. FWIW, since I'm also a GGC Board member, I can second Sherm's assurances that SP and LS have gotten to be very expensive venues. And both tracks are doing construction, so don't expect prices to drop. Donna ------- 88 M3, "Guido" 95 330isA, super-commuter 91 Dodge Ram, Guido's chauffeur > From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> > Subject: Lunatica Laguna > >> David Heckendorf said: >> >> Leif said the club doesn't make any profit to speak of and I trust him, he's >> always be a straight-shooter with me... > > My comments shouldn't be construed to insinuate that I think LA or GGC or > anyone else is making a killing on Laguna Seca schools. I don't know. People > who are close friends of mine like Sherman Koo tell me that they aren't. > <snip> > Jim > >

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#11. BMW CAR mag -November issue - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:45:55 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: BMW CAR mag -November issue Guys and Gals, Through some of you might be interested in a 20 page spread on M3s in BMW CAR magazine (a British publication). Found it at my Barnes and Noble. Big article on the new e46M3 and a neat comparo between a 1990 e30M3 evo sport and a 1996 e36M3 evo. Plenty to agree or disagree with. One thing for certain, they make a big deal about the weight difference between the e30 and e36. Sooo I think down the road when some objectivity is brought into the e46 reviews, this new M3 will be known as the screeming pig ;-)) Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 mov'in to ESP in '01

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#12. Re: [E36M3] pics from Laguna - from Donna Seeley
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:53:39 -0700 From: Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] pics from Laguna Scott, Thanks for posting the pictures! I'm glad I washed the car, sorry I missed the apex... :) Donna ------- 88 M3, "Guido" #41B, pic 591 95 330isA, super-commuter 91 Dodge Ram, Guido's chauffeur > From: Scott Smith <ssmith@akamai.com> > Reply-To: Scott Smith <ssmith@akamai.com> > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:35:43 -0600 > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmwmpower.com> > Subject: [E36M3] pics from Laguna > > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:15:11 -0800 > From: Scott Smith <ssmith@akamai.com> > Subject: pics from Laguna > > took some pics at the Corkscrew of the B group on Sunday... I know > there were some other people floating around with digital cameras. > I'd be happy to host the pics, just send me a pointer... > > for 800x600: > > http://www.gelatinous.com/scott/pics/2000/Laguna-Nov%2018-19/half/index.html > > for 1600x1200: > > http://www.gelatinous.com/scott/pics/2000/Laguna-Nov%2018-19/index.html > > Scott > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > ************************************************************* > >

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