E36M3 #782

Monday, December 18, 2000 16:26:59

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#1. [E36M3] No Clearcoat on White? - from Bob Dorchester
#2. Re: [E36M3] Peake Code Reader - from Bob Dorchester
#3. Thump In Reverse E36M3 - from DiVincenti, A.J.
#4. Re: Hoosier Fitment Question - from vernon@sprynet.com
#5. RE: Baby's got new shoes - RE-730's - from Fadeev, Alex
#6. Re: [E36M3] Thump In Reverse E36M3 - from Jim Powell
#7. Calling Bobby Chay - from Jim Powell
#8. RE: Baby's got new shoes - RE-730's - from Matt Henson
#9. Re: Hoosier Fitment Question - from Ron Katona
#10. New shoes-RE-730's - from Ed Tang

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#1. [E36M3] No Clearcoat on White? - from Bob Dorchester
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:53:04 -0600 From: Bob Dorchester <rjdorche@concentric.net> Subject: [E36M3] No Clearcoat on White? My 4/94 production alpinweiss III (white to those of you in Palm Beach) M3 is definitely clear coated. I have never noted white rag coloration when polishing and the $20 touch up kit I purchased from my dealer soon after purchasing the car new in June '94 included a clear lacquer stick. Kit is part number 51 91 1 052 274. I think Ben is correct. Bob Dorchester Houston > From: Daniel <m3_driver@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] No Clearcoat on Red? > > I think the very early '95M3s (4/94 production) white cars had the single stage > paint also > > Daniel > > --- Ben Liaw <ben@shortshifter.com> wrote: > > Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:34:42 -0500 > > From: "Ben Liaw" <ben@shortshifter.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] No Clearcoat on Red? > > > > bmw used single stage paints on the 95 model year M3s on two colors...red and > dakar yellow. everything else has > > clearcoat. of course, in 96 and on, > EVERYTHING has clearcoat. > > > > ben

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Peake Code Reader - from Bob Dorchester
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:17:22 -0600 From: Bob Dorchester <rjdorche@concentric.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Peake Code Reader I purchased mine directly from Peake Research at list price (with free shipping I believe) several months ago. You will definitely need the instruction book to decipher fault codes and Rocky Mountain should cough up the manual. It's only 10 pages, and mine was folded inside the case. Peake Research was very easy to deal with and probably would send you one if you strike out with RM. Bob Dorchester Houston > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:54:55 -0500 > From: Skip Bogard <skip.bogard@alumni.duke.edu> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Peake Code > > Peake readers... did you realize you can now buy one at a discount off the normal $150 price > from www.motorsport.com ? (Rocky Mt.) This is off my recent 'Rocky 15% off Holiday Sale' > invoice: > > Rocky # Manuf # Description Discounted $ > BL11 R5FCX Service Reset Tool,87-2000 $124.11 > models,code reading US > > Did you get a book with your reader? I got only this: > > 1) tool with brief instructions printed on it > 2) case > > I've seen more instructions on a condom. > > On a positive note, I seem to recall JC said this thing will read codes that aren't in the > '95's built in diagnostics (tap-tap-tap > gas pedal exercise). > > - Skip

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#3. Thump In Reverse E36M3 - from DiVincenti, A.J.
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:19:17 -0600 From: "DiVincenti, A.J." <ADiVin@lsuhsc.edu> Subject: Thump In Reverse E36M3 On two occasion's now, when backing up, I heard a slight thump and felt a jolt which seems like is coming from the rear of the car. It feels and sounds like I slowly backed into something. I had to do a double take both times. This may be a coincidence, but this occurred after I put the Eibach swaybars on. I did notice how little clearance there was between the swaybar and the lower control arm. I haven't looked under the car yet. Do you guys have any ideas on what to look for. A.J. DiVincenti 95/M3

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#4. Re:  Hoosier Fitment Question - from vernon@sprynet.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:20:55 -0500 From: vernon@sprynet.com Subject: Re: Hoosier Fitment Question Peter, The 245/40/17 Hoosiers will fit fine on a 7.5 or 8.0 inch rim. It is a bit of a stretch, but it will fit. Back when I was in A-Stock, I used 245/40/17's all around on staggered OEM rims. On the front, the Hoosier fit OK, but required higher pressures to avoid the sidewall "bouncing" and flexing/rolling a bit in some situations due to the narrow rim. The higher pressures (42-44+) were not ideal for traction, but were at least predictable. The OEM 17x7.5" (41mm offset) front rims I was using required a (stock-legal) 5mm spacer and longer bolts to clear the strut. I had no shimmy problems with that setup and used it successfully all of last season until I went to ESP. Your 17x8 rims with the very slightly smaller offset (40 vs 41) may allow you to get away without the spacers. I had no front or rear fender issues with the 245 Hoosiers. YMMV. Vern Anderson 98 M3/2 ESP, moving to BSP 2001 to slay Corvettes :) >-------------------- 4 -------------------- >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:44:36 US/Pacific >From: peter@guagenti.com >Subject: Hoosier Fitment Question > >I have an opportunity to get a set of 4 Hoosier 245/40's, and I'm >curious >about fitment. I would appreciate it if anyone who runs these tires >can >chime in. > >I want to put them on a set of 17x8's, with an offset of 40. Will >they fit this >rim (Hoosier recommends an 8.5)? The car is running H&R/Koni's with >serious negative camber. Will I need spacers? Fender-rolling? > >Thanks for any help, > >-peterg

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#5. RE: Baby's got new shoes - RE-730's - from Fadeev, Alex
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:27:28 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <alex.fadeev@verizon.com> Subject: RE: Baby's got new shoes - RE-730's Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hey All, > I recently switched tires from my mis-matched set of > Toyo Proxies in the back and Nitto 450's up front to > the Bridgestone RE-730 all around. Folks, Since I've gone through a similar switch 1/2 year ago. Since then I've put 5K miles on the tires and done one dry autoX and one wet/dry DE on them. Allow me to chime in on the RE730s should someone contemplate buying them. > 1) Size. These seem a little narrower than other > tires of the same size. I went with the 225 on 7.5" > up front and 245 on 8.5 in the back. They are also > available as a 255/40 and 235/40. I would think that > the 235/40 would probably fit fine on the 7.5" rims. 235/40 were roughly the same width as the previous MXX3's. RE730s come with a rim protector so you don't scratch your alloys while the rim is lying on a side. I did not test them against the curbs but strongly suspect that the curbs would win. > 2) Grip. Very good. I was able to break the rears > loose in 1st with the Toyo Proxies. Not with these > guys. The Toyos were getting a little old but they > still felt reasonably soft with the fingernail test. Sorry Matt, you are not trying hard enough ;-). These are not the best dry tires out there. At most 9/10s of MXX3's. Do not consider RE730s as autoX tires if you are competing for a trophy. What surprised me is that they 'feel' much softer then MXX3s. Mind you, Michelins where at the wear bars, but with RE730s I seam to telegraph a lot fewer road imperfection and bridge joins. Even those you do feel are not the bone jarring whacks MXX3s used to deliver. This could be either a good or a bad thing depending on your personal preference. As all street tires, they overheat easily and will not come back once cooked. You have to cool them down between run sessions to get the performance back. > 3) Wet grip. Also very good. Feels much more stable > int the rain that the old tires. Agreed. Though just about any full thread tire will feel a LOT better on wet then any tire with little thread, RE730s have behaved admirably in the rain. During the wet (uninterrupted rain all day, standing water in some corners) DE at TWS this November, they were fantastic. Not a hint of hydroplaning at any speed. > 4) Steering. Turn-in felt a little softer than the > lower-profile (235/40) Nittos I had up front. The deeper > tread of the new tire may have contributed to this. Agreed. The steering is softer then with MXX3s they replaced. Probably related to the fact that RE730s have a groove in the middle of the thread instead of a unlike Michelins or S02-PP's. > 5) Noise. Very quiet under most road conditions. The > SZ50's are the only summer tire I've found that are as > quiet or quieter than these guys. Agreed. Very quiet. Another plus is that they do not squeal at the limit. They whisper. Mind you, this whisper will not escape your notice and it grows in volume as you are nearing the limit of adhesion. But at no time does it sound like your M3 is corner balanced by four stuck pigs. > Recommendations: Overall, very strong. Today I drove > to work with the Kumhos while Firestone corrects their > installation snafu. The 730's are obviously no match > for these grip monsters but they are an excellent > choice for sprited street driving and beginner DE. RE730s are a very good street tires. Most if not all of the S02-PP wet traction at the expense of some dry performance. But at $138/tire vs. ~$250 for S02/Pilot/KDs, or even $168 for Yoko Sports, they are a relative bargain that may fit your bill. 5K miles later, they are not showing too many signs of wear. YMMV, alex f

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Thump In Reverse E36M3 - from Jim Powell
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:37:34 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Thump In Reverse E36M3 Well, if it is really associated with the sway bars going on you might check and make sure that you took all the slop out of the end links. Evenly too. Jim "DiVincenti, A.J." wrote: > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:19:17 -0600 > From: "DiVincenti, A.J." <ADiVin@lsuhsc.edu> > Subject: Thump In Reverse E36M3 > > On two occasion's now, when backing up, I heard a slight thump and felt a > jolt which seems like is coming from the rear of the car. It feels and > sounds like I slowly backed into something. I had to do a double take both > times. This may be a coincidence, but this occurred after I put the Eibach > swaybars on. I did notice how little clearance there was between the > swaybar and the lower control arm. I haven't looked under the car yet. Do > you guys have any ideas on what to look for. > > A.J. DiVincenti > 95/M3 > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > *************************************************************

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#7. Calling Bobby Chay - from Jim Powell
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:40:46 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@home.com> Subject: Calling Bobby Chay Sorry to ping everyone.... Bobby I don't have your email handy. You were wrong, I was right (as usual) and you placed 3rd in the M Modified class at the autocross on Saturday. You can pick up your trophy at the next San Diego driving event you attend. Next time, stick around until I get done handy out the hardware :) Jim Webmeister Driving Events Chair San Diego Chapter

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#8. RE: Baby's got new shoes - RE-730's - from Matt Henson
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:44:10 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Baby's got new shoes - RE-730's My dry traction test is limited to stepping on the gas from a 1st gear rolling start and seeing if the rears break loose. If they can hold 285 ft-lbs or torque at the rear wheels when it's 50 outside then they are good enough. Like I said, they don't match the stickier tires but they are still fairly respectable. For a bit more than the price of a super tire I can get a set of RE-730's and a set of Kumhos (but, uh, not the wheels) - essentially having my cake and eating it, too. I wonder if these will turn into rocks with time, though. Many tires lose their stiction long before they hit the wear bars. -Matt --- "Fadeev, Alex" <alex.fadeev@verizon.com> wrote: > Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Hey All, > > I recently switched tires from my mis-matched set > of > > Toyo Proxies in the back and Nitto 450's up front > to > > the Bridgestone RE-730 all around. > > Folks, > Since I've gone through a similar switch 1/2 year > ago. Since then I've put > 5K miles on the tires and done one dry autoX and one > wet/dry DE on them. > Allow me to chime in on the RE730s should someone > contemplate buying them. > > > 1) Size. These seem a little narrower than other > > tires of the same size. I went with the 225 on > 7.5" > > up front and 245 on 8.5 in the back. They are > also > > available as a 255/40 and 235/40. I would think > that > > the 235/40 would probably fit fine on the 7.5" > rims. > > 235/40 were roughly the same width as the previous > MXX3's. > RE730s come with a rim protector so you don't > scratch your alloys while the > rim is lying on a side. I did not test them against > the curbs but strongly > suspect that the curbs would win. > > > 2) Grip. Very good. I was able to break the > rears > > loose in 1st with the Toyo Proxies. Not with > these > > guys. The Toyos were getting a little old but > they > > still felt reasonably soft with the fingernail > test. > > Sorry Matt, you are not trying hard enough ;-). > These are not the best dry > tires out there. At most 9/10s of MXX3's. > Do not consider RE730s as autoX tires if you are > competing for a trophy. > What surprised me is that they 'feel' much softer > then MXX3s. Mind you, > Michelins where at the wear bars, but with RE730s I > seam to telegraph a lot > fewer road imperfection and bridge joins. Even those > you do feel are not the > bone jarring whacks MXX3s used to deliver. This > could be either a good or a > bad thing depending on your personal preference. > As all street tires, they overheat easily and will > not come back once > cooked. You have to cool them down between run > sessions to get the > performance back. > > > 3) Wet grip. Also very good. Feels much more > stable > > int the rain that the old tires. > > Agreed. Though just about any full thread tire will > feel a LOT better on wet > then any tire with little thread, RE730s have > behaved admirably in the rain. > During the wet (uninterrupted rain all day, standing > water in some corners) > DE at TWS this November, they were fantastic. Not a > hint of hydroplaning at > any speed. > > > 4) Steering. Turn-in felt a little softer than > the > > lower-profile (235/40) Nittos I had up front. The > deeper > > tread of the new tire may have contributed to > this. > > Agreed. The steering is softer then with MXX3s they > replaced. Probably > related to the fact that RE730s have a groove in the > middle of the thread > instead of a unlike Michelins or S02-PP's. > > > 5) Noise. Very quiet under most road conditions. > The > > SZ50's are the only summer tire I've found that > are as > > quiet or quieter than these guys. > > Agreed. Very quiet. Another plus is that they do not > squeal at the limit. > They whisper. > Mind you, this whisper will not escape your notice > and it grows in volume as > you are nearing the limit of adhesion. But at no > time does it sound like > your M3 is corner balanced by four stuck pigs. > > > Recommendations: Overall, very strong. Today I > drove > > to work with the Kumhos while Firestone corrects > their > > installation snafu. The 730's are obviously no > match > > for these grip monsters but they are an excellent > > choice for sprited street driving and beginner DE. > > > RE730s are a very good street tires. Most if not all > of the S02-PP wet > traction at the expense of some dry performance. But > at $138/tire vs. ~$250 > for S02/Pilot/KDs, or even $168 for Yoko Sports, > they are a relative bargain > that may fit your bill. > 5K miles later, they are not showing too many signs > of wear. > > YMMV, > alex f __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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#9. Re: Hoosier Fitment Question - from Ron Katona
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:58:08 -0500 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: Hoosier Fitment Question Peter, I run 245/40 A3S03s on 17x8 SSR Integrals (40 or 41mm offset, I can't remember) and really like the combination. They fit up front on my car without spacers, but the rear required fender rolling. At static ride height (about 1" lower than stock) they fit in the rear, but under acceleration or over bumps they rubbed the fender lip even with 1.8-2.0 degrees negative camber. Yes, they'll fit on 8" rims and I consistently get nice even wear patterns across the tread indicating that I wasn't giving up much with the smaller rim other than a couple pounds of unsprung weight per corner. I am considering spacers up front merely to widen the front track apart from any fitment concerns. -- Ron Katona peterg wrote: > I have an opportunity to get a set of 4 Hoosier 245/40's, and I'm curious > about fitment. I would appreciate it if anyone who runs these tires can > chime in. > > I want to put them on a set of 17x8's, with an offset of 40. Will they fit this > rim (Hoosier recommends an 8.5)? The car is running H&R/Koni's with > serious negative camber. Will I need spacers? Fender-rolling?

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#10. New shoes-RE-730's - from Ed Tang
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:20:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> Subject: New shoes-RE-730's For the price, they are good. They are a huge price break from the S-02's I had. From $250 to $136, I didn't care what my street tires were at that point. They are adequate in the dry, GREAT in the rain, however, I absolutely hate the tires under heavy braking. I would threshold brake and the tires would slide on the pavement and act like a locked wheel. The ABS didn't sense the wheel locking up b/c it was the actual tire sliding across the pavement. I would not autocross in these tires. Definitely a case of not matching a tire to the performance capabilities of the car. The tire is not bad. Great performance sans braking. You are getting what you pay for. It works very well under your normal everyday driving. Just don't autocross in them, unless you like the tire squeal. And there's plenty-o-dat. My $0.02. Ed Tang 95 Cosmos M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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