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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Reclassification of E36M3 in SSCA Solo II Street Prepared - from Steve Hudson
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:57:23 -0600 From: "Steve Hudson" <shudson@io.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Reclassification of E36M3 in SSCA Solo II Street Prepared Don't forget the Porsche 968, has a torsion bar suspension and can be legally lowered by adjusting the bars. Steve Hudson '97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mdriver13@aol.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Reclassification of E36M3 in SSCA Solo II Street Prepared > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:42:36 EST > From: Mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Reclassification of E36M3 in SSCA Solo II Street Prepared > > In a message dated 1/6/01 2:03:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, > radelow@hotmail.com writes: > > << Hi guys. I am going to autox my M3 in a few weeks and was curious as to > what class a bone stock 95 M3 is classed. What exactly will I be racing > against and, with race tires, will I be competitive if driving ability is > equal? >> > > Stock M3...AS class. Competition...mostly other M3s, and if you're very > unlucky Boxsters (not the S type) with the dealer installed suspension > upgrade, Honda S2000s, and Toyota MR2 turbos. Others, would be 2.8L Z3 > coupes, roadsters, Porsche 911s, Mitsu 3000GT, and Audi S4s. Some 2001 > models will join the group, such as some of the new 3.0L BMWs. > > Bone stock, with equal driver ability, watch out for the Boxsters and the MR2 > turbos! All depends on the course layout. Wide open course...your the dog, > tight course...your the hydrant. > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > AS Champion 1997 & 2000 > 13 BSP 2001 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#2. E36 M3 in B Stock (or whatever it will be called in 2001) - from vernon@sprynet.com
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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:29:50 -0500 From: vernon@sprynet.com Subject: E36 M3 in B Stock (or whatever it will be called in 2001) Mark, I think the stock class restructuring getting closer to being final (anyone know??). It looks like the E36 M3 is in the new B Stock class with most of the old faces from what used to be A Stock: http://www.scca.org/news/tech/seb/1100memo.html#memo (If anyone has better info, please let me know). Most of the usual suspects seem to be there - Z3, S2000, 3000GT/Stealth, 944T, 968, older 911's, Non-S Boxsters and MR2T. I had seen one earlier list that had the 993 911's in with the E36 M3 (that would have been bad), but they are now in the 2nd class (now A-Stock). I thought they were going to bump the S2000 up, but they will again be in with the M3's. All of the cars I listed above are tough in the hands of a good driver, but a bone-stock M3 is formidable. Biggest competition will be from Boxsters, S2000's, MR2T and some 944T/968's. Z3's can be very tough, older 911's are 'usually' easy to take and the 3000GT/Stealths just don't seem agile enough to be a threat. Unless is rains, then the Audi S4's and 3000GT/Stealths will smack an M3 around pretty good. As Bob said, really tight courses are not to your advantage, but you can still win on them with superior strategy (such as letting air out of your competitors tires! ! when they're not looking or pulling one of their spark plug wires <g> - just kidding). Don't force the understeer in really tight corners, use the great transitional balance to your advantage and trust the brakes - and the car will be competitive. Vern Anderson 98 M3/2 BSP 1999 and 2000 Steel Cities A-Stock Champion >------------------- 8 -------------------- >Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:42:36 EST >From: Mdriver13@aol.com >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Reclassification of E36M3 in SSCA Solo II >Street Prepared > >In a message dated 1/6/01 2:03:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, >radelow@hotmail.com writes: > ><< Hi guys. I am going to autox my M3 in a few weeks and was >curious as to > what class a bone stock 95 M3 is classed. What exactly will I be >racing > against and, with race tires, will I be competitive if driving >ability is > equal? >> > >Stock M3...AS class. Competition...mostly other M3s, and if you're >very >unlucky Boxsters (not the S type) with the dealer installed >suspension >upgrade, Honda S2000s, and Toyota MR2 turbos. Others, would be 2.8L >Z3 >coupes, roadsters, Porsche 911s, Mitsu 3000GT, and Audi S4s. Some >2001 >models will join the group, such as some of the new 3.0L BMWs. > >Bone stock, with equal driver ability, watch out for the Boxsters >and the MR2 >turbos! All depends on the course layout. Wide open course...your >the dog, >tight course...your the hydrant. > > >Bob Gill >97 ///M3 coupe >Philly Region SCCA >AS Champion 1997 & 2000 >13 BSP 2001
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#3. Stiff suspension + ABS. Almost wrecked my car! (long) - from Rob
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:57:31 -0700 From: "Rob" <motor@cadvision.com> Subject: Stiff suspension + ABS. Almost wrecked my car! (long) Sorry this is so long but I'd like to hear others thoughts about suspension. I'm not sure I'm convinced that really stiff suspension is the way to go an a car that will see some "spirited" use on the street. I am currently running H&R coil-over (stock rates), RD bars and an X-brace. Here is my story. This afternoon I was out for a nice "spirited" drive in the country on one of my favorite deserted roads. I exited one long left hand sweeper and accelerated at full throttle towards a 90deg left hand turn that I know well, getting to the very top of 3rd gear (~90mph?) before the braking zone, at the last second I lifted and applied the brakes HARD just as the car hit a frost-heave in the road and almost jumpped for a second and lost traction momentarily. This split second loss of traction caused the ABS to kick in before the car regained traction and when the car did finally settle down on the road the ABS was still in full pulsation mode and I was left with virtually ZERO braking! In what might have been 1 second while the ABS did it's "thing" I had covered WAY too much ground and was headed for the concrete barrier at close to 90mph! I threw the car into a full sideways powerslide to scrub as much speed as possilbe and was able to avoid disaster by a foot or so. Had the road been narrower or one of the other virables changed I would no longer have my 3.0L baby! Today was the worst case I've been in due to still suspension but it's not the only time. Last week I was approaching a stop sign at a good rate of speed and the car hit a dip which caused it to rebound up and lose traction, again the ABS kicked in and didn't allow any braking for what must have been at least 1 second after the car had already settled. Not good when you need to stop for a stop sign! This brings me to my point.... If the car was still running stock (or close to) suspension the frost-heave would have been absorbed by the suspensions travel/compliance and none of the above story would have ever happened. Maybe these super stiff set-ups are great on pool table smooth tracks but I'm begining to think they are the wrong way to go for the street. Has anyone else experienced similar problems with a stiff set-up? I don't think there could be anything wrong with my ABS? This story is about suspesnion and brakes so please no lessons on how and where to drive. Have a great weekend, Rob
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#4. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 in B Stock (or whatever it will be called in 2001) - from Steve Hudson
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:14:21 -0600 From: "Steve Hudson" <shudson@io.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 in B Stock (or whatever it will be called in 2001) The proposed SCCA stock class restructuring as been put off until 1/1/2002. There is still time to send the Solo Events Board your comments on the new classifications. Steve Hudson '97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- From: <vernon@sprynet.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: [E36M3] E36 M3 in B Stock (or whatever it will be called in 2001) > Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:29:50 -0500 > From: vernon@sprynet.com > Subject: E36 M3 in B Stock (or whatever it will be called in 2001) > > Mark, > > I think the stock class restructuring getting closer to being final (anyone know??). It looks like the E36 M3 is in the new B Stock class with most of the old faces from what used to be A Stock: > > http://www.scca.org/news/tech/seb/1100memo.html#memo > > (If anyone has better info, please let me know). Most of the usual suspects seem to be there - Z3, S2000, 3000GT/Stealth, 944T, 968, older 911's, Non-S Boxsters and MR2T. I had seen one earlier list that had the 993 911's in with the E36 M3 (that would have been bad), but they are now in the 2nd class (now A-Stock). I thought they were going to bump the S2000 up, but they will again be in with the M3's. All of the cars I listed above are tough in the hands of a good driver, but a bone-stock M3 is formidable. Biggest competition will be from Boxsters, S2000's, MR2T and some 944T/968's. Z3's can be very tough, older 911's are 'usually' easy to take and the 3000GT/Stealths just don't seem agile enough to be a threat. Unless is rains, then the Audi S4's and 3000GT/Stealths will smack an M3 around pretty good. As Bob said, really tight courses are not to your advantage, but you can still win on them with superior strategy (such as letting air out of your competitors tires! > ! > when they're not looking or pulling one of their spark plug wires <g> - just kidding). Don't force the understeer in really tight corners, use the great transitional balance to your advantage and trust the brakes - and the car will be competitive. > > Vern Anderson > 98 M3/2 BSP > 1999 and 2000 Steel Cities A-Stock Champion > > >------------------- 8 -------------------- > >Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:42:36 EST > >From: Mdriver13@aol.com > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Reclassification of E36M3 in SSCA Solo II >Street Prepared > > > >In a message dated 1/6/01 2:03:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >radelow@hotmail.com writes: > > > ><< Hi guys. I am going to autox my M3 in a few weeks and was >curious as to > > what class a bone stock 95 M3 is classed. What exactly will I be >racing > > against and, with race tires, will I be competitive if driving >ability is > > equal? >> > > > >Stock M3...AS class. Competition...mostly other M3s, and if you're >very > >unlucky Boxsters (not the S type) with the dealer installed >suspension > >upgrade, Honda S2000s, and Toyota MR2 turbos. Others, would be 2.8L >Z3 > >coupes, roadsters, Porsche 911s, Mitsu 3000GT, and Audi S4s. Some >2001 > >models will join the group, such as some of the new 3.0L BMWs. > > > >Bone stock, with equal driver ability, watch out for the Boxsters >and the MR2 > >turbos! All depends on the course layout. Wide open course...your >the dog, > >tight course...your the hydrant. > > > > > >Bob Gill > >97 ///M3 coupe > >Philly Region SCCA > >AS Champion 1997 & 2000 > >13 BSP 2001 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#5. E30 seat heaters - from Jim Powell
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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:20:10 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: E30 seat heaters Seat heaters went into the E30 today. Interesting construction on the seats 'under the leather'. And I don't mean that in a derogatory way. Unlike some BMW engineering that makes me shake my head, the basics of the E30 mechanical seats (were there any electric ones?) is pretty sound. Some of the cables could be improved, but not bad overall. I took about 20 pictures and will do a write up sometime tonight after I get done reloading the attic with Christmas decorations. Jim
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#6. JTD strut brace experience - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:46:58 EST From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: JTD strut brace experience Has anyone installed the JTD strut brace. I was thinking of buying the brace and wanted to know the fit, finish, quality, etc. I just installed their aluminum undercover and thought it was worth the $140 bucks to replace the crappy plastic that came stock. Any input to the JTD brace or comparison to others would be appreciated. TIA. Shel Hart 98 M3/2 Techno Violet
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#7. Seat heaters in an E30 - from Jim Powell
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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 20:12:12 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Seat heaters in an E30 Her's the writeup as promised. I know you E36 guys won't care but it's educational anyway. I put the seat heaters in the E30 325i today. It took me and my son Alex about 4 hours to do the job. For those that might be interested there's a writeup at: http://www.apexcone.com/E30heaters/heater.html It has 20 large pictures in it. So Pat, you may not want to look. For anyone else on a modem, start the download and go to bed. It's roughly 1.2 meg all together. Us cable modem guys can blink twice :) Jim
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Seat heaters in an E30 - from Jeremy Lucas
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:41:06 -0500 From: "Jeremy Lucas" <jlucas@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Seat heaters in an E30 Jim, Thanks for the good write-up. After you get a chance to use them a bit please post back and let us know if they work as promised or maybe how they compare to the M3 seat heaters. Thanks, Jeremy Lucas 95 M3 Delaware, OH
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Seat heaters in an E30 - from Jim Powell
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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 06:25:03 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Seat heaters in an E30 First impressions are that they take maybe a minute longer to heat up. The E30 seats have a thicker covering above the main seat pad and the leather. I installed the heater (BMW OE) in my M3 and saw the construction of the seat in both. The E30 seats were constructed better. Jim Jeremy Lucas wrote: > Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:41:06 -0500 > From: "Jeremy Lucas" <jlucas@columbus.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Seat heaters in an E30 > > Jim, Thanks for the good write-up. After you get a chance to use them a bit > please post back and let us know if they work as promised or maybe how they > compare to the M3 seat heaters. > > Thanks, > > Jeremy Lucas > 95 M3 > Delaware, OH > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > *************************************************************
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#10. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 in AS still for 2001 - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:51:37 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 in AS still for 2001 In a message dated 1/6/01 6:34:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, vernon@sprynet.com writes: << Don't force the understeer in really tight corners, use the great transitional balance to your advantage and trust the brakes - and the car will be competitive. >> To all autoxer's: Verns statement is as true as it gets for our e36M3s (especially 96-99). Forcing tight corners is the kiss of death for this car and your autox times! Modifying your suspension in ways to eliminate understeer does little if you still "cook" a corner. Brake early and hard BEFORE the turn, drive and power through the turn, then BAM back to full throttle. Do this well, with or without suspension mods and I guarantee a smile will come to your face ;-)) No one does this better than Bob Tunnell. Just my opinion, YMMV Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 13 BSP 2001