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#1. [E36M3] Stiff suspension + ABS. Almost wrecked my car! (long) - from Ned Coonen
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 07:39:25 -0600 From: "Ned Coonen" <ncoonen@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Stiff suspension + ABS. Almost wrecked my car! (long) Sean, It was good of you to respect Rob's wishes and not comment on how moronic it is to drive as described on public roads. After all, this heroic tale could have had a number of different endings including bicyclists, oncoming traffic, pedestrians, and so forth. Hazards of racing, eh? ....ned. '98 M3 '88 M5 x 2 >-------------------- 2 -------------------- >Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:22:45 -0800 >From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stiff suspension + ABS. Almost wrecked my car! (long) >good road conditions are also assumed for a car with a race suspension. at >a race, you have 20-30 people standing around watching for the slightest >bit >of debris on the road. and they wave flags for you when something is on >the >road that's not supposed to be there, or wasn't there the lap before. > >so... you guys with race car suspensions are definetly taking risks >driving >on crappy public roads. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#2. Re: Badass Brakes - from Paul England
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:16:45 -0500 From: "Paul England" <ettsn@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Badass Brakes That reminded me of when I was into DSMs (Eclipse/Talon/Laser), a company called Roadrace Engineering made rally parts for those cars for SCCA Prorally. Odd that they aren't called Rallyrace, huh? Anyway, I saw a car that had a set of, geez I don't know what from, 8 piston AP Racing brakes on like 13" floating hat MMC disks. It literally (saw it with my own eyes!) could pick up the back wheels with bias proportioner set right (no ABS). Same car could pick the front wheels up in a launch on tarmac with V700s. I also saw the guy get three (!) vertical feet of air, and about ten or fifteen feet linear by hitting a speedbump at about 30-40 mph with a full prorally setup. Craziest thing I ever saw. (OBMWC- these guys KILL 325iXs out there in Prorally.) -Paul > available traction and you had powerful enough front brakes, you could stop > so hard that the car would lift the rear wheels off the ground. :) Weight > shifts to the front wheels. Once the rear wheels leave the ground, you don't > need any brakes. :0
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Seat heaters in an E30 - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:22:13 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Seat heaters in an E30 Poor baby! You must have been freezing your ass off in San Diego! -rb (REALLY freezing his ass off in MD) >Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 06:25:03 -0800 >From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Seat heaters in an E30 > >First impressions are that they take maybe a minute longer to heat up. The >E30 seats have a thicker covering above the main seat pad and the leather. >I installed the heater (BMW OE) in my M3 and saw the construction of the >seat in both. The E30 seats were constructed better. > >Jim _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#4. Re: [E36M3] How important are rear brakes? - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:39:33 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How important are rear brakes? Lowell writes: >Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 02:12:32 EST >From: LoweSeaton@aol.com >Subject: Re: [E36M3] How important are rear brakes? > >sean writes: > >>i would think that messing with the brake bias would not be a good thing >>with ABS. i'm pretty sure the ABS on our M3s is controlled separately for >>each wheel. meaning that if one locks the ABS kicks in for all of them. > >My comments and a clarification. First, the ABS is different for '95 M3's >vs. '96+. '95's have 3 station ABS vs. 4 station ABS on '96+. On a '95 >M3, if one rear wheel locks up, then ABS kicks in for both rear wheels. >Why so? >There is only one brake line running from the master cylinder to the rear >of the car. It splits into two lines under the gas tank and then goes to >each wheel. That one brake line works both rear wheels equally. > >'96+ M3's have two separate brake lines running from the master cylinder to >each rear wheel so they are independent of each other. Theoretically, I >guess this makes the ABS superior on '96+ M3's. If one rear wheel on a '95 >loses traction and locks up, then the ABS takes over and reduces braking >force to BOTH rear wheels. The non-sliding rear wheel could have kept >braking at full effort. I suppose this might increase your stopping >distance. <SNIP> The difference in ABS systems probably has something to do with the presence of ASC+T on the 96+ models. In order for the traction control system to work properly, the rear wheels need to be controlled independently. -rb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#5. Suspension Terms and Theory - from DiVincenti, A.J.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:40:59 -0600 From: "DiVincenti, A.J." <ADiVin@lsuhsc.edu> Subject: Suspension Terms and Theory Hey guys here is a nice page I stumbled upon for those of you trying to learn about suspension geometry. It is a good explanation of terms and theories. You might find it helpful. http://www.ingallseng.com/terms.htm A.J. DiVincenti
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#6. Re: [E36M3] How important are rear brakes? - from Sean Hester
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:50:56 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How important are rear brakes? >My comments and a clarification. First, the ABS is different for '95 M3's >vs. '96+. '95's have 3 station ABS vs. 4 station ABS on '96+. On a '95 >M3, >if one rear wheel locks up, then ABS kicks in for both rear wheels. Why >so? >There is only one brake line running from the master cylinder to the rear >of >the car. It splits into two lines under the gas tank and then goes to each >wheel. That one brake line works both rear wheels equally. dang. i could have sworn i read that our M3s didn't do each wheel seperately with the abs. i guess i was wrong. maybe i was reading an article about how most cars didn't do each wheel seperately and M3s did, and that's why they were cool? i dunno. ;-P sorry about the confusion... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#7. RE: [E36M3] RE: Inspection II - from Zorine, Dmitri Y, CSCIO
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:16:40 -0500 From: "Zorine, Dmitri Y, CSCIO" <dmitri@att.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Inspection II > 35 months into the free maintenance period. The stealer said even with all > the green lights off that BMW NA wouldn't cover the Inspection II > maintenance. I made the stealer call BMW and they got the authorization. > Bob Smith I got that from one dealer, told them to stick it... Went to another and they happily did inspection II at 35,500, about 20 months since car went into service, with one green light still on. YMMV Dmitri
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#8. re: Stiff suspension + ABS. Almost wrecked my car! (long - from Ron Katona
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:28:05 -0500 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: re: Stiff suspension + ABS. Almost wrecked my car! (long "Rob" <motor@cadvision.com> wrote: > ****What suspension combo are you running? > Ground Control coil-over kit with 500#-550# springs, Koni SAs, stock sways, Kline camber plates. The Konis are the weak link now and will soon be upgraded. Note that this is pretty much a no-compromise autocross setup and I wouldn't live with it as a daily driver (which it isn't). > Are the H&R shocks and > struts in your coil-over kit adjustable? ***No. That certainly limits your options in terms of quick/easy fixes. > The shocks aren't letting the > springs work to keep the tires planted on the ground. **This sounds > possible but it is a factory set-up H&R kit that I haven't monkey'd with. > They are 340#-F and 380#-R and the shock valving feels 'very' heavy! That's not ungodly stiff. I still think the valving sounds suspect. Springs keep the chassis off the ground, shocks help keep tires planted to the pavement as weight transfers or you hit bumps. Wheels that don't track well enough over bumps sounds like a shock problem... but hard to diagnose over the internet. > ****I 100% agree with what you have to say here, and knowing that there was > a frost-heave (bump) in the road at that point I would have started braking > sooner or later to avoid this near disaster situation.....BUT......I didn't > know it was there and that is the problem. On the track you can learn every > inch of the pavement but on the street you can't.....maybe a softer set-up > is better (safer and more forgiving) that this stiff stuff! Like unwinding the wheel in understeer, letting off the brakes when they aren't working is a learned, counterintuitive reaction. I know last year I blew an FTD run at an autocross because I got into a situation like you describe where I hit a bump in the stop garage and the ABS went a little nuts. I blamed it on my driving though. I should have breathed off, then back on the pedal, but it's hard when you're looking at that cone (or worse yet a wall) zooming up on you. Yes, a softer setup might be more forgiving for situations like this, but there's still driver involvement even when the ABS is just pumping away and the problem was totally unexpected. > One question rolling around in my head is regarding stock vs. RD sway bars. > Is there any downside to running the stiff H&R's with stock M3 bars? Will > the springs do too much of the work or will the bars still play a very > active roll? I don't think so. In fact, if it was just a single wheel bump you're better off with the softer bars. If the bump is on both wheels, the bar shouldn't make any difference at all. I personally like softer bars with stiffer springs, YMMV. -- Ron Katona
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#9. Stock CD player and CD-R discs - from BHilton@rhythms.net
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:31:30 -0700 From: BHilton@rhythms.net Subject: Stock CD player and CD-R discs Has anyone tried playing CD-R discs in your stock CD disc changer? Does it work? I have a '95 disc changer that I am considering hooking back up, but I'm not going to the trouble if it doesn't play CD-R's. Thanks, Bret
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Stock CD player and CD-R discs - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:38:10 -0600 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock CD player and CD-R discs > Has anyone tried playing CD-R discs in your stock CD disc changer? Does it work? > I have a '95 disc changer that I am considering hooking back up, but I'm not > going to the trouble if it doesn't play CD-R's. The changer in my '97 plays CD-R's without a hitch. I haven't encountered a CD-R that it won't play yet, but I do notice that it skips more easily on some CD-R's, less on others. Particularly 80 min CD-R's like to skip. Andrej '97 M3
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#11. Re: [E36M3] Stock CD player and CD-R discs - from F. Graziano
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:43:45 -0500 From: "F. Graziano" <fgraziano@monmouth.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock CD player and CD-R discs thats all i have in there ;-) , they work just fine. ~Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: <BHilton@rhythms.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: [E36M3] Stock CD player and CD-R discs > Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:31:30 -0700 > From: BHilton@rhythms.net > Subject: Stock CD player and CD-R discs > > > Has anyone tried playing CD-R discs in your stock CD disc changer? Does it work? > I have a '95 disc changer that I am considering hooking back up, but I'm not > going to the trouble if it doesn't play CD-R's. > > Thanks, > > Bret > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > > >