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#1. (WOB) '95vs'96-99 brakes - from C.Park
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:32:46 -0500 (EST) From: "C.Park" <cpar2@osf1.gmu.edu> Subject: (WOB) '95vs'96-99 brakes fellow e36m3 drivers: another factoid about '95 model yr. car is that we got no traction control either...perhaps explaining the separate rear brake lines for 96+ models w/traction control (WOB). -cp
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Am I destined to hate my car? - from Joe Tan
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:09:50 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Am I destined to hate my car? With all this talk about suspension for M3, has anyone tried to just swap the front spring w/ relatively mild aftermarket springs like Eibach pro-kit and leave the rear stock since the spring rate of the stock springs are pretty high already? I am just trying to find a compromise between good street ride and handling for my M3. Thanks, Joe. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Am I destined to hate my car? - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:19:32 -0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Am I destined to hate my car? Anyone run the Euro-M3 springs with the stock shocks? Impressions? Mark From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Am I destined to hate my car? Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:13:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:09:50 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Am I destined to hate my car? With all this talk about suspension for M3, has anyone tried to just swap the front spring w/ relatively mild aftermarket springs like Eibach pro-kit and leave the rear stock since the spring rate of the stock springs are pretty high already? I am just trying to find a compromise between good street ride and handling for my M3. Thanks, Joe. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#4. Re: Badass Brakes - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:38:04 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Re: Badass Brakes Paul said > >That reminded me of when I was into DSMs (Eclipse/Talon/Laser), a company >called Roadrace Engineering made rally parts for those cars for SCCA >Prorally. Odd that they aren't called Rallyrace, huh? Anyway, I saw a car >that had a set of, geez I don't know what from, 8 piston AP Racing brakes on >like 13" floating hat MMC disks. It literally (saw it with my own eyes!) >could pick up the back wheels with bias proportioner set right (no ABS). >Same car could pick the front wheels up in a launch on tarmac with V700s. I >also saw the guy get three (!) vertical feet of air, and about ten or >fifteen feet linear by hitting a speedbump at about 30-40 mph with a full >prorally setup. Craziest thing I ever saw. (OBMWC- these guys KILL 325iXs >out there in Prorally.) The first part about biasing car brakes so much toward the front that it could pick up the back wheels is plausible I guess since it is done with ease on my bike, but I have to admit I am somewhat confused how the same car (a front wheel drive Eclipse/Talon/Laser) can pick the front wheels up in a launch on tarmac with V700s?!? Light them up maybe, but pick them up? Best regards, Rich
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Am I destined to hate my car? - from Sean Hester
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:11:02 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Am I destined to hate my car? >I am just trying to find a compromise between good street ride and handling >for my M3. gee. i always thought the best possible "compromise" between good street ride and world class handling was: - stock springs - stock shocks - stock sway bars - stock alignment - stock wheels - stock stock tires - stock (lack of) strut tower braces - stock (lack of) x-brace since a stock M3 was voted the best handling car in the world, and i loved my the street feel of my stock M3 i'd say that's just about the best compromise going. ESPECIALLY when you consider usage. i'd say, for a daily driver, you spend 98% (or more) of your M3 driving, at way less then the point where you're outdriven your suspension. so... any increase in handling for that tiny bit if use it'll see, had better be ALOT better then the worsening of the ride it'll give you. and guess what? none of the mods i ever did fit that category. i'd say they all worsened the ride more then they improved the handling. now... if you track your M3 all the time... or race around on public roads all the time (shudder)... you may very well feel that the increased handling is worth the LOSS of street ride quality. i did for a while. (2 years) then i went for a softer car for around town and a seperate one for the track. but don't kid yourself. you lose (ride quality (and money ;-) more then you gain. (handling charastics) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Badass Brakes - from Sean Hester
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:14:10 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Badass Brakes >The first part about biasing car brakes so much toward the front that it >could pick up the back wheels is plausible I guess since it is done with >ease on my bike, but I have to admit I am somewhat confused how the same >car >(a front wheel drive Eclipse/Talon/Laser) can pick the front wheels up in a >launch on tarmac with V700s?!? Light them up maybe, but pick them up? hmmmm... a front wheel drive car picking up the tires... so... as soon as they left the ground, the car would decelerate, thus bringing the tires back down. so at best you'd get a hop hop hop hop thing going on right? nothing "cool" like you can do with a 1960s camaro. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#7. Re: Badass Brakes - from Paul England
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:17:31 -0500 From: "Paul England" <ettsn@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Badass Brakes Easy. It wasn't FWD. It was an AWD car that hooked up amazingly well with it's back tires. The fronts would spin, squeal and lift until they had several degrees of positive camber from being lifted and they left the ground by a a few centimeters. Seriously. Saw it with my own two eyes. -Paul OBMWC- I wish my 97 M3 would lift the front tires launching! > The first part about biasing car brakes so much toward the front that it > could pick up the back wheels is plausible I guess since it is done with > ease on my bike, but I have to admit I am somewhat confused how the same car > (a front wheel drive Eclipse/Talon/Laser) can pick the front wheels up in a > launch on tarmac with V700s?!? Light them up maybe, but pick them up?
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#8. Squeaking rear strut towers? - from Brent Williams
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:48:54 -0500 From: "Brent Williams" <brent@williamsconsultingltd.com> Subject: Squeaking rear strut towers? I have the strangest creak/squeak whenever I give the car some gas. It just squeaks away. I have the rear seats removed for stereo installations, but I was wondering if this was normal. I can hear the chassis flex. I hope this isn't a bad sign. Just wondering. B 97 328is 2 door
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#9. RE: Stock CD player and CD-R discs - from ez4me2
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:51:38 -0500 From: "ez4me2" <ez4me2@mediaone.net> Subject: RE: Stock CD player and CD-R discs Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:31:30 -0700 > From: BHilton@rhythms.net > Subject: Stock CD player and CD-R discs > > > Has anyone tried playing CD-R discs in your stock CD disc changer? Does it work? > I have a '95 disc changer that I am considering hooking back up, but I'm not > going to the trouble if it doesn't play CD-R's. > I have a 95 and all the cd's in my stock changer are cdr's and work great. I can tell you this, if you want the best CD's (in my view) buy Kodak Ultima Gold. They need to be the "Ultima Gold" type. (I had issues with their cheaper line, so have others) I have never had any trouble with the Ultima's on 3 different burners, in my 3000gt, M3 or home changers. One more thing, cheep CDr's give off some kind of gas in the heat and can put a coating on your laser optics. The Kodak's say they are the most resistant to heat... i.e best for car's http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/store I buy direct from them Thanks, Brian ez4me2@mediaone.net 95 M3 00 YZF R1 94 3000GT
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#10. re: Stiff suspension + Sway bars (Ron K) - from Ron Katona
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:50:53 -0500 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: re: Stiff suspension + Sway bars (Ron K) > Ron ,can you please give a few more details on why you like softer bars. > It seems to me that until recently most German tuner favored stiff > springs/shock and stock bars. Now I see many of them marketing stiffer bars > but I wonder if its only because the market is asking for them and not > because they are really worthwhile? I think there's some "bigger is better" marketing out there. I like Dinan's direction with the M3 which includes a smaller front bar. Having said that I think big bars are an excellent choice for cars with near stock spring rates who's owners want to retain most of the stock ride compliance but add some roll resistance and adjustability - great idea. What I believe from purely a performance perspective is that you select spring rates to keep the car off the bumpstops (or pavement) at the limits of cornering, at the ride height you want, while giving the car the basic balance you want, under the conditions that you most often will drive the car. You then use sway bars merely to tune the balance of the car using the smallest (lightest and least intrusive in single wheel bumps) sway bars that will do the job. If you do it the other way, going with softer springs and heavier bars to increase the total roll stiffness, you tend to start to lift wheels in the corners because of the action of the heavy sways. This causes either understeer or difficulty putting power to the ground depending on which end of the car is stiffer. And as I said before: YMMV... there are racers who use big bars quite successfully. If there's anything I've learned from people like Bob Tunnell though, it's that you can't be better than everyone else by copying exactly what they all do. And although my setup just happens to be a lot like Bob's <g>, I'm starting to understand how the E36 works and take a few baby steps in trying things my own way. We'll see whether I'm genius or maroon next autocross season. :-) -- Ron Katona