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#1. H&Rs - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 01:42:58 -0800 From: Kit Wetzler <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: H&Rs > hmmm... maybe everyone should stop all this talk of "what springs, and > shocks go together?" and just go buy h&r coilovers? in short... I totally agree. :) It's just about impossible to get a spring and shock combination that are actually designed to work together by picking up random parts from the aftermarket. It's always going to be a compromise at some point... H&R puts almost as much R&D into their suspensions as BMW does, so there is a reason that they work so well. I've been telling everyone that I know to buy H&R coilovers because I love them so much. -kit 97 m3
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#2. Slightly OT: 911t (sorry) - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:53:23 -0500 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: Slightly OT: 911t (sorry) Paul, >>. Sounds like Powell's car, huh? So what do you think, Jim? Or Paul Elliot with the Dinan? Someone else<< I cant speak for Mr Powell, who definitely makes more power than does my Vortech equipped '99, however, I can tell you that my second gear is the swiftest, most 'planted in the back' feeling drive I've ever been in! And third through fifth aint bad either! >>. I just want to know if I can make my M3 scare the poody out of me like that 964T did, << We know that turbocharged cars feature this characteristic 'one second your drviving normally, and the next, youre sling shot into orbit...' sensation, and that SC cars are much more linnear in their power delivery, more like a V8. If its that sling shot sensation youre looking for, and which it sounds like from your Porshe drive, then I would high tail it down to AA, who does the best job of it....I have a colleague in Ct. who just finished sending his M3 down to florida for the whole treatment, and he's most pleased with the results. Of course, I can say the same for mine, and I didnt have to send the car any further than 15 mins away. ** Oversimplification alert on: In general, if you want the biggest kick in the back, go turbo...If you want smooth, strong power delivery, go Super. An interesting side note is that I've always found that 0-60 times are faster in the SC equipped M3s than in the Turbo ones...Whether that's due to tire hookup, or nature of the delivery, I'm not sure, but it does seem consistant, whenever you read of comparos between the two in identical cars... Anyway, feel free to email me for more detailed info, if youre interested...good luck. _____________________________ Paul Elliott '99 Alpine White M3 <25000 mi Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage II Supercharger; Stygar Short Shift kit and Clutch Stop; Skaggs Pedals; X-brace; Sound by Kenwood Excelon, Polk, JL Audio
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#3. RE: [E36M3] RE: Inspection II - from Andy Korczynski
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:33:53 -0600 From: "Andy Korczynski" <andy@casskor.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Inspection II Not sure about inspection II, but I can't imagine I is that much. All they did (on mine at least) is change the oil, microfilter and brake fluid (They said something about an air filter but since I have a CAI they couldn't replace anything there). It only took them about 1.5 hours to complete the whole thing (although they didnt wash my car this time). Andy K. -----Original Message----- From: F. Graziano [mailto:fgraziano@monmouth.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:23 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Inspection II Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:24:17 -0800 From: "F. Graziano" <fgraziano@monmouth.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Inspection II how much does a stealership usually charge for a total inspection type deal? Thanks, Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: [E36M3] RE: Inspection II > Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:10:15 -0800 > From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> > Subject: RE: Inspection II > > My dealer did mine on BMW's dime at 33,000 miles and the last green light > was still on (for a long time). And they put BMW synthetic in the car. > They value my business and they'll keep getting it that way! > > Dave Hogg > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > > > ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************
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#4. Re: Stiff suspension + Sway bars - from Dave Lehmann
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:39:20 -0500 From: "Dave Lehmann" <bmwracefan@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Stiff suspension + Sway bars When I first started to upgrade my 328i I asked a lot of questions and got twice as many opinions. Years earlier I put a Group C suspension on my 911 and made the car a piece of crap to drive on the street. I did not want to make that mistake again. It was very confusing as to who's advise to take since I was not able to drive the cars owned by the people giving most of the advise. In the end I was still unsure so I took my car and my wallet to the local Dinan dealer and let them install everything that Dinan made. RESULT: a very streetable car that is well balanced and very MUCH improved over stock. I have let other club members drive my car and they always impressed with it's handling. Every M3 owner that has ever driven my car has agreed that my Dinan 3 defiantly out handles their stock model and says that they are impressed that the car doesn't ride rough. An M Coupe owner and formidable SCCA autocrosser, also agreed that the Dinan suspension was much better handling than his new stock M Coupe. I have since had the opportunity to drive several BMW's with various suspension upgrades, and have not yet found a better performance /street compromise. There may be are other suspension combinations that are equal and cheaper, but if you can't get behind the wheel and try each combination, it's hard to know if the car will be too stiff or rough riding. I trusted the Dinan people to produce a car that would not bet a "track car" but a high performance street car. I wasn't disappointed. I am only trying to offer this information to those of you that want a high performing street car and an occasional auto cross or improved school car. I am not implying that this is a race setup; It's not. I know that there are people on the list that don't like Dinan because it ain't cheap, but it is a good quality PACKAGE, and that's what most street cars need. I have no affiliation with Dinan, but I am a "very satisfied customer" and do recommend their product. Dave
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#5. I understand why..... - from John Stoj
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:52:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Stoj <John_Stoj@excite.com> Subject: I understand why..... On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:43:07 -0600, Chester Wong wrote: I don't understand why..... [a person would spend] $34,745 for a 3.8L supercharged V6 that puts out 240hp and 280 ft-lbs of torque for a car that weighs ~3800 lbs. (The Poniac Bonneville) Well, I understand it. I wouldn't do it, but I understand. The Bonneville is a pretty good American car. It doesn't handle that badly in SSEi form, and the engine is torquey enough to move that 3800 lbs. around pretty rapidly. Also, most importantly, you can't compare it to a 330 or a used E36M3. You can fit a 3 series into a Bonneville and have room for a weekend trip's worth of luggage. This is important to some people. My parents would certainly prefer a Bonneville (heck, we had one, they got sideswiped by an eighteen-wheeler, knocked off the highway and banged around pretty good and walked away with just some bruises). They feel safe in a bigger car. Plus, my father fought in WWII and still prefers to buy American. Anyway, there's a longwinded attempt on my part to help you understand why... - John _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
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#6. Re: Stiff suspension + Sway bars - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:53:01 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Stiff suspension + Sway bars on 1/9/01 22:33, Steve Hazard <SHazard@nhboston.com> wrote: > You will find that Will Turner has been singing the same exact tune > Seth....all the folks at TMS feel that aftermarket sways should not be used > w/o some sort of spring/shock combo....and Will of course has just a tad of > experience with suspensions :-) From a structural point of view - avoiding possible damage to the rear swaybar mounts - that may very well be good advice. However otherwise stock suspension plus aftermarket swaybars gives a very agreeable driving experience. There's little sacrifice in comfort, but handling is sharper. During the track driving season I run the Koni/H&R/RD sways setup. In winter I refit the stock suspension, but keeping the RD sways, and really like this combination. Neil 96 M3 - Reinforced rear swaybar mounts
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#7. Re: 99/00 328 or a new 325 - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:57:02 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: 99/00 328 or a new 325 on 1/9/01 22:33, "Patrick Barnicle" <pbarnicle@novell.com> wrote: > I'm considering adding a 4 door 2001 325i or 1999/2000 328i to the garage. > Both are close to the same price, so I'm asking for any feedback to those who > have driven them. The 328i also has a higher level of standard equipment, in addition to the obvious engine difference. >Is the sport package worthwhile? For an enthusiast driver, yes definitely. > And finally, please let me know if anyone knows how much dealers are > discounting the 325i off of sticker price. That would probably be a local question. Neil 96 M3
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#8. Re: [E36M3] I understand why..... - from Jim Powell
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:08:01 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] I understand why..... Give them another iteration. Except for displacement, and front wheel drive, the next spin of the B(uick)MW 3-Series will be the size of the 5-Series today, if not larger, weigh 3800 lbs and make ~240 HP. I'll betcha. Only difference will be that they won't use a 3.8L motor so it won't have the low end grunt of the Pontiac :) Will they ever stop making them bigger? Oh well, when the 3-Series is a Mammoth, the new Mini should be about E30 sized and we can all drive those. Jim > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:43:07 -0600, Chester Wong wrote: > > I don't understand why..... [a person would spend] $34,745 for a 3.8L > supercharged V6 that puts out 240hp and 280 ft-lbs of torque for a car that > weighs ~3800 lbs. (The Poniac Bonneville)
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#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: Brakes, ABS, rear brakes etc. - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:16:19 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Brakes, ABS, rear brakes etc. Sean said about the brakes on the C class MB's in 99: >i'd have to disenguage that system within minutes of buying >that car. either with a switch, or pulling a fuse, or cutting a wire, or >something. or else i'd have to not drive that car at the track. I doubt you will see too many C class MB's in 99 out at the track (racing, driving schools, or otherwise). I did see one at Mid-Ohio in May but this driver was certainly in no danger of engaging ABS, traction control, or anything else for that matter since she was certainly not setting any land speed records. In reality, she really could have stepped it up a little just to learn something (the whole reason she said repeatedly that she was attending the driving school). Anyway, the common owner of C class MB's is likely not taking them to the track and I am sure the MB engineers have designed a very practical system for the common MB owner for the street. Track...NO. Street...Yes. Best regards, Rich 95 M3 - Looking forward to pushing my limits a little more this coming year. WHERE IS SPRING!
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Stiff suspension + Sway bars - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:26:16 -0500 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Stiff suspension + Sway bars Neil, I think going back to stock in the winter is okay. You are not taking the car to the track with just the sway bars on it so the driving it sees during the winter is pretty mild comparatively. In my opinion, I see the tabs breaking as a track or extremely hard driven street car occurrence only. This is not going to happen if you have a stock suspension and don't push your car too hard on the street. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com -----Original Message----- From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:03 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: Stiff suspension + Sway bars Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:53:01 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Stiff suspension + Sway bars on 1/9/01 22:33, Steve Hazard <SHazard@nhboston.com> wrote: > You will find that Will Turner has been singing the same exact tune > Seth....all the folks at TMS feel that aftermarket sways should not be used > w/o some sort of spring/shock combo....and Will of course has just a tad of > experience with suspensions :-) >From a structural point of view - avoiding possible damage to the rear swaybar mounts - that may very well be good advice. However otherwise stock suspension plus aftermarket swaybars gives a very agreeable driving experience. There's little sacrifice in comfort, but handling is sharper. During the track driving season I run the Koni/H&R/RD sways setup. In winter I refit the stock suspension, but keeping the RD sways, and really like this combination. Neil 96 M3 - Reinforced rear swaybar mounts ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************