E36M3 #848

Tuesday, January 16, 2001 08:31:36

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves - from Chester Wong
#2. Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves - from Jim Powell
#3. Re: [E36M3] e36 dinan stage 3 susp questions - from reed nicholson
#4. Re: [E36M3] e36 dinan stage 3 susp questions - from Matt Henson
#5. Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
#6. Re: [E36M3] Negative camber: Possible to have too much? - from Bob Dorchester
#7. Re: [E36M3] Torque & Horsepower - from Bora Akyol
#8. Re: e36 dinan stage 3 susp questions - from Steve
#9. Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves - from Scott -
#10. Anyone have a sony head unit - from lee.leslie@firstunion.com

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves > I had an odd thing happen today. I came out of a restaurant at lunch to find > my car was hissing. Yep. Hissing. My right rear valve stem was leaking! So I > pull into NTB (shoulda known better) and ask if they can fix it. Dude says > "yeah. can you leave it? we'll get to it in a couple hours." A COUPLE HOURS? > Dude, there is *AIR* leaking out of my tire. I can leave it with you, if > you'll toss it on a lift and swap me to my spare. His response? "nah. we > don't have a tech who can do that right now. feel free to do it yourself in > the parking lot, and bring us the tire." My ass! So I walk back out, past > three open bays (with lifts, no less) and use my little crappy crank 'em up > jack to swap my tire. Then I think "am I seriously going to let THESE > a-holes fix this?" Hell, no. So I pull around the corner to a Big 10 Tire. > Guys in there were totally cool. Said "Sure. Bring it around. We'll fit you > in." Pulled, replaced the stem, remounted, balanced and put back on the car. > Total? 10 bucks and 20 minutes. NTB will NEVER get another CENT from me. > Ever. They couldn't be inconvenienced with my minor emergency. Sheesh. I > know I should prolly have all of my stems swapped to metal, but I don't > track the car (yet). Should I bother, or is this that common? Well, I would have actually preferred to swap my own tires since I don't like anyone touching my car....just ask me about my story with Freedman Tire in NJ and tire techs using screwdrivers to take off old wheel weights... About the metal tire stems, I'm going to swap mine for metal ones as soon as the tires come off the next time around. I have them sitting right in front of me. I look at it as a one time investment and piece of mind. You can reuse the outer shell and simply replace the insert, no? It's also not terribly expensive. I just have to find some nice caps to replace the BMW ones since the thin BMW caps on metal valves looks a bit silly. Any recommendations? I'll also ask the guys to balance the wheels with the metal valves plus metal caps (hee hee). FWIW, Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves - from Jim Powell
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:44:15 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves There are two different items that we are talking about. Metal valve stems get tightened on with a nut and lockwasher from the inside and are really steel valve stems with a rubber grommet or washer to seal in the air. Then there are steel or metal sleeves to go over regular rubber valve stems. They offer a little better look and a little more protection. The sleeves are available in almost any Pep Boys etc. True steel valve stems are stronger and more expensive. I've found the best ones at RV or Offroad suppliers. Available in chrome too ;) And remember, ozone damage to you tires is ongoing but they are so big, it won't hurt them. The rubber in valves is smaller and more critical, change them whenever you rebalance or otherwise diddle with your tires or every two years. Jim Chester Wong wrote: > About the metal tire stems, I'm going to swap mine for metal ones as soon as > the tires come off the next time around. I have them sitting right in front of > me. I look at it as a one time investment and piece of mind. You can reuse > the outer shell and simply replace the insert, no? It's also not terribly > expensive.

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#3. Re: [E36M3] e36 dinan stage 3 susp questions - from reed nicholson
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:49:42 From: "reed nicholson" <reedthis48@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] e36 dinan stage 3 susp questions The Stage 1 kit I bought a year ago lowered the front about 1/4" and the rear about 1/2". The Stage 3 should be no different, unless the camber change contributes to lowering. I think lowering of an inch or more causes too many problems on a street car. If you just gotta have the look, be prepared to suffer the consequences. Reed/Seattle _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#4. Re: [E36M3] e36 dinan stage 3 susp questions - from Matt Henson
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:10:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] e36 dinan stage 3 susp questions I hear ya, bro. I went with the H&R sports then the Eibachs and I think I'm headding back to the stock spring. One thing to keep in mind is that the M3 was designed with the stock ride height in mind. Changing the ride height will affect geometry. Obviously Camber and toe will change (fixable) but doesn't lowering the car also affect bump steer and stuff like that? Or Roll Centers? I'm wondering if we aren't giving up nearly as much performance as we gain. Factor in the harsh ride and it's no wonder that Dinan only drops a smidge. -Matt --- reed nicholson <reedthis48@hotmail.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:49:42 > From: "reed nicholson" <reedthis48@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] e36 dinan stage 3 susp > questions > > The Stage 1 kit I bought a year ago lowered the > front about 1/4" and the > rear about 1/2". The Stage 3 should be no > different, unless the camber > change contributes to lowering. I think lowering of > an inch or more causes > too many problems on a street car. If you just > gotta have the look, be > prepared to suffer the consequences. > > Reed/Seattle > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:52:25 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves JimP writes: > There are two different items that we are talking about. Metal valve > stems get tightened on with a nut and lockwasher from the inside <snip> Anybody use the BMW metal valve stems? - part number 36 12 1 119 332 I wondered if they would work with stock M3 rims. If I remember right, if you look at the stock M3 rim from the inside (tire off), the hole that the valve stem fits into is pretty small. I did not think the nut for the BMW metal valve stem would fit. Am I wrong? Lowell Seaton '95 M3 - with shiny steel sleeved valved stems Dallas, Texas

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Negative camber: Possible to have too much? - from Bob Dorchester
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:55:40 -0600 From: Bob Dorchester <rjdorche@concentric.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Negative camber: Possible to have too much? I have had K-Macs on my M3 for almost two years, with -2.6 deg camber and 0.23 deg total toe. Tire wear has not been an issue with my "toe in" setup, although after all the 2000 O'Fest highway miles I will confess to seeing more wear on the inside, both F&R. If you are experiencing problematic tire wear with only - 2 to -3 deg camber, I would wager you have some toe out, which helps autocross cars turn in. Or you're not cornering fast enough! Maybe that's why I am seeing more and more Street Prepared cars towed to events, rather than driven. Bob Dorchester Houston 95 M3 in BSP

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Torque & Horsepower - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:18:25 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol" <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Torque & Horsepower One of my colleagues at work has an E55 that I get to ride in often. Very very nice and lots of power. I drove it once and it felt pretty solid both on and off the freeway. The only complaint is that it isolates you from the road a lot. Not like my M3 where you can feel what is going on pretty easily through your rear or body. Bora ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mdriver13@aol.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Torque & Horsepower > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:05:53 EST > From: Mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Torque & Horsepower > > In a message dated 1/15/01 11:31:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, > steved3@idt.net > writes: > > > > > Give me a car like the AMG E55 with > 390 ft lbs of torque at 3000rpm as a daily driver (the auto trans is > much > easier when you're sitting in NY city traffic) and the new M3 for the > track. I'll still have change left over by not buying the Ferrari. > > > > Yea, but....I want the Ferrari too...it's the babe magnet ;-)) > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > AS Champion 1997 & 2000 > 13 BSP 2001 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >

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#8. Re: e36 dinan stage 3 susp questions - from Steve
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:29:42 -0800 From: Steve <sgrigory@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: e36 dinan stage 3 susp questions I've had the Stage III on my 95 M3 for about seven months now. I don't autocross the car and sadly have not attended any open track events yet, but on the street I genuinely love the change. I had considered the H&R/Bilstein combo but decided it was a bit too biased towards the track for what I personally wanted. The Dinan is biased more towards the street and it's worked out great. As for ride height, the car is noticably lower in the front and virtually unchanged in the rear. I'm running four 8.5-inch 10-spokes with 245/40 SO2's and I love it. steve

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves - from Scott -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:12:02 -0600 From: "Scott -" <whosez@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves I have never heard a single good thing about NTB. I read over on an NSX board of a guy who had to actually sue them to recover $$ for a wheel that NTB had hideously damaged. And to boot, I hear that their parent company Sears is shutting down ~ 75 NTB's. Moral of the story: keep your nice M3 away from NTB's unless you have a personal recommendation otherwise! -Scott ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Paul England" <ettsn@mindspring.com> Reply-To: "Paul England" <ettsn@mindspring.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: [E36M3] Crappy tire valves Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:11:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [209.83.60.161] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBC2CF8E7003F40043162D1533CA10CA40; Mon Jan 15 18:12:10 2001 Received: from ftp.chemsoft.com (gb-server-cs-3 [10.100.10.60]) by gb_server_cs_b2.chemsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)id CLLLJXR3; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:11:25 -0600 From e36m3@bmw-m.net Mon Jan 15 18:12:28 2001 Errors-To: admin@chemsoft.net Message-Id: <0101152011251V.02096@SVList.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:58:53 -0500 From: "Paul England" <ettsn@mindspring.com> Subject: Crappy tire valves I had an odd thing happen today. I came out of a restaurant at lunch to find my car was hissing. Yep. Hissing. My right rear valve stem was leaking! So I pull into NTB (shoulda known better) and ask if they can fix it. Dude says "yeah. can you leave it? we'll get to it in a couple hours." A COUPLE HOURS? Dude, there is *AIR* leaking out of my tire. I can leave it with you, if you'll toss it on a lift and swap me to my spare. His response? "nah. we don't have a tech who can do that right now. feel free to do it yourself in the parking lot, and bring us the tire." My ass! So I walk back out, past three open bays (with lifts, no less) and use my little crappy crank 'em up jack to swap my tire. Then I think "am I seriously going to let THESE a-holes fix this?" Hell, no. So I pull around the corner to a Big 10 Tire. Guys in there were totally cool. Said "Sure. Bring it around. We'll fit you in." Pulled, replaced the stem, remounted, balanced and put back on the car. Total? 10 bucks and 20 minutes. NTB will NEVER get another CENT from me. Ever. They couldn't be inconvenienced with my minor emergency. Sheesh. I know I should prolly have all of my stems swapped to metal, but I don't track the car (yet). Should I bother, or is this that common? -Paul ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#10. Anyone have a sony head unit - from lee.leslie@firstunion.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:24:47 -0500 From: lee.leslie@firstunion.com Subject: Anyone have a sony head unit Obligatory BMW content.. As you might expect I prefer not to pull my boat or make my purchases at the depot with the M car.. so this weekend I picked up well used Jeep to do that job.. when I got the the aftermarket Sony CD head unit was illuminated in green matching the rest of the car.. After I took it in for new juices it came back with the stereo iluminitated in amber.. while this would look great in the M, it just looks silly in the jeep against all the other green lights.. So my question is... does anyone have experiece with Sony head units? it is a 5100 model.. I cannot figure out how to make it green again.. Thanks in advance for any knowledge you can share.. Lee '97 M3/4 35K '88 Cherokee 159K

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