E36M3 #863

Friday, January 19, 2001 13:30:33

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#1. [OT] Winter Wheels and Tires for X5? - from Andrew E. Kalman
#2. RE: [E36M3] Re: Koni Adjusting (was Stock Springs) - from Seth Thomas
#3. Re: [E36M3] E46 M3/4 - Ya want one? - from Ben Liaw - UUC Motorwerks
#4. Re: [E36M3] A Cautionary Tale - from S Lafredo
#5. [E36M3] Warning! Unethical parts sale - from Dorffer, Rich
#6. Re: [E36M3] Warning! Unethical parts sale - from Jim Powell
#7. bunch of replies - from Kit Wetzler
#8. RE: Near total-loss woes - from Rodger Keesee
#9. Defroster question - from John Stoj
#10. Re: [E36M3] Alignment Specs & Advice - from nabli@attglobal.net
#11. Lookin' for E36 M3/4 race car - from BobTunnell@aol.com
#12. RE: [E36M3] Alignment Specs & Advice - from Jim Bassett

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#1. [OT] Winter Wheels and Tires for X5? - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:37:42 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: [OT] Winter Wheels and Tires for X5? Does anyone have a recommended source for winter wheels and tires for an X5? A buddy of mine has the V8 and Sport Package, and is having difficulty (SF Bay Area) in finding either tires for his 19" rims, or a full wheel/tire set. Thanks, -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com

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#2. RE: [E36M3] Re: Koni Adjusting (was Stock Springs) - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:52:14 -0500 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Koni Adjusting (was Stock Springs) If you were going to send them in for upgrading to SA external would it not be feasible to also have them upgraded to Double Adjustables. That is what I have on my car and they are very easy to adjust. The hardest part is crawling under the car with a screwdriver to adjust the compression. The rebound adjusts just like the SAs on the front. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com -----Original Message----- From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 1:40 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: Koni Adjusting (was Stock Springs) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:32:50 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Koni Adjusting (was Stock Springs) on 1/19/01 "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> posted: >> Sean - I have got to give you a hard time on this one. What in the world are >> you doing measuring in "half turns?" What kind of a unit is that? <vbg> >> > well... pppbbbhhttttppgbbtht!!!!!!! Oddly enough, half turns are the accepted meaningful adjustment increment for the Konis. Go figure. > ok... who's actually tried to adjust those damn things? (the rears for an > e36 M3) Me, unfortunately. What a PITA. I think or the rears as presettable rather than adjustable. > there's no markings of any sort to count turns, there's no way to see where > you are now, and it's darn near impossible to tell if you're even adjusting > the damn thing as you turn it... Amen to all that. What the hell were they thinking? Furthermore you can't compress the shock enough to engage the internal adjuster without removing the bump stop, and therefore the rear shock mount. Then unless you have the right T-handle allen wrench handy - at the track? yeah, right! - you end up putting the RSM back on just to use as a handle. And then taking it off again to replace the bump stops. And then reinstalling...well, you get the whole sorry picture. ProParts West (but not ProParts East = TC Kline) can rebuild the Koni rears to adjust externally - for a price. I've emailed to find out how much, will post when I hear back. Then we'll find out just how much my aggravation is worth! <g> Neil 96 M3 - Koni SA ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************

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#3. Re: [E36M3] E46 M3/4 - Ya want one? - from Ben Liaw - UUC Motorwerks
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:46:05 -0500 From: "Ben Liaw - UUC Motorwerks" <ben@shortshifter.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 M3/4 - Ya want one? i'd be happy to hand deliver it for you. i'll even take him out to lunch to do it. ben ------------------------------------------- ben liaw - ben@shortshifter.com http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: [E36M3] E46 M3/4 - Ya want one? > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:36:00 -0800 > From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> > Subject: E46 M3/4 - Ya want one? > > BMW is still officially saying it won't build one, but if BMW NA has enough > evidence of market demand, they might be able to convince the Vaterland. > Dang it, I want one! How about you? > > If you do, please write a note from to Mr. Tom Purvis, Pres., BMW NA, and > let him know. Email the note to ME, and I will print it out; then FedEx it > with all of the other notes I get (and mine) to him at the HQ in NJ. (Or > maybe Ben Liaw would like to hand-deliver them?) > > I'm hoping I can assemble at least fifty notes from the UUC and E36 M3 lists > combined. Your note doesn't have to be fancy, just along the lines of "if > you make one I'll buy it." About a quarter of all E36 M3's sold were > 4-doors, so it would be stupid for Hans to ignore this market IMHO. > > I'd like to get the FedEx off in about a week, so do it now! > > Dave Hogg > 98 M3/4 > PHAT 4DR > (Company car with requirement that it be a 4-door, which I also happen to > like.) > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >

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#4. Re: [E36M3] A Cautionary Tale - from S Lafredo
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:59:52 -0800 (PST) From: S Lafredo <slafredo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] A Cautionary Tale Those interested in aftermarket LTW wings might want to check-out RacePad.com. I have heard that his version is rather nice. HTH. S --- Ned Coonen <ncoonen@hotmail.com> wrote: > Be careful buying parts on ebay. I just purchased what turned out to > be a cheap knock-off E36 M3 Lightweight wing. Take a look for > yourself and see if you think it sounds genuine. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#5. [E36M3] Warning!  Unethical parts sale - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:00:06 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: [E36M3] Warning! Unethical parts sale Nick says > Sounds like a road trip to Ohio is in order? <lol> Let me know when you are coming. I could meet you in Zanesville where this joker lives. Similar to my Texas Long-Distance failed 325is purchase, we may have to rough him up a little. Jim P., you go to Texas and I will take care of Ned's issue ;-) Regards, Rich With another 325is purchase in VA in the works.

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Warning!  Unethical parts sale - from Jim Powell
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:14:29 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Warning! Unethical parts sale Actually, I'm going to Dallas on 1/29 for a day, maybe two. I'd be happy to do anything you might need done. Jim "Dorffer, Rich" wrote: > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:00:06 -0500 > From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > Subject: [E36M3] Warning! Unethical parts sale > > Nick says > Sounds like a road trip to Ohio is in order? <lol> > > Let me know when you are coming. I could meet you in Zanesville where this > joker lives. Similar to my Texas Long-Distance failed 325is purchase, we > may have to rough him up a little. Jim P., you go to Texas and I will take > care of Ned's issue ;-) > > Regards, > > Rich > > With another 325is purchase in VA in the works. > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > *************************************************************

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#7. bunch of replies - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:15:31 -0800 From: Kit Wetzler <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: bunch of replies Sorry for the huge reply, I'm on digest mode... TC Kline's suspension: > The setup on the car is TC Kline's TrackLine kit, not the StreetLine kit. > This kit features the stiffer H&R Sport springs and Koni s/a. Sway bars are > stock. Other suspension mods, in addition to TC's trailing arm bushing (get > it!), include an X-brace and Motorsport strut brace. Tires (when Ron drove > it) are 235x40 AO32s on LTW wheels. Street tires are SO2s on 8.5" rims. I also have the TC Kline rear trailing arm bushings. Am nothing but totally pleased with them. I used to run the Trackline Kit, and, while it was a big improvement over stock handling-wise, it rode much much worse than my H&R coilovers. My car is daily driven and sees probably 20 track days a year. (heh, I'm going to develop a name as the h&r coilover evanglist on the list...) Jim Dye said: > market aluminum part. My car is a street car with a Dinan Stage III > suspension. I am looking for long life, moderate to no down side (noise, > > cracking of other related parts due to stress, etc.) Any recommendations? Ground Control has some Urethane inserts that are much cheaper than TC Kline's solution. I believe that Jim Ochi is running those, maybe he can say something about them? (Jim have you driven a car with the TC Kline bushings?) The TC Kline bushings are $399, the GC inserts are like $50-$100 last time I checked. I doubt you'll see as much handling improvement, but if you aren't tracking the car much, I think the GC inserts are much more cost effective. Just remember to get the car aligned afterwards. Konis: > Oddly enough, half turns are the accepted meaningful adjustment increment > for the Konis. Go figure. Remember that Koni only recommends that you use the first turn. Any more than that and "excessive wear can occur." I tried my front Konis at 2 turns once and thought they were too stiff... understeer city! I ran 1 turn at the track and full soft on the street. (now, I have non-adjustable H&R coilovers) As for adjusting the rears, I found that wrapping the threaded portion of the piston in cloth and putting it a bench vise while adjusting helped out considerably... that said, I think I just left them on 1/2 stiff and didn't ever change that, except for a couple of times. The Ground Control rear shock mounts make removing them MUCH easier, though... you can do the entire operation from under the car as long as you're careful. Takes maybe 10 minutes per side, with my handy dandy electric impact wrench. > ProParts West (but not ProParts East = TC Kline) can rebuild the Koni rears > to adjust externally - for a price. I've emailed to find out how much, will > post when I hear back. Last time I checked, it was $180 per shock... for only a $120 more they'll custom valve them for you, too. -kit

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#8. RE: Near total-loss woes - from Rodger Keesee
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:19:57 -0800 From: "Rodger Keesee" <rodger@teutonic.com> Subject: RE: Near total-loss woes Thanks all for the valuable feedback and heartfelt condolences. Here are answers to some of your questions. > Why not simply the total the car? It is not my decision to call the car a total-loss. Even though I nearly own it outright. The insurance company will decide what is most economical for them. Of course the insurance company will do whatever allows them to write the smallest check. Total loss = $34K check, Repair bill = $24K check. Car and Driver just had a $28K repair bill on a new 325i. See latest issue. > Why such a low estimate for all that damage? Apparently all the high-$$ items escaped damage. The passenger compartment is untouched. Allegedly there is no structural damage behind the windshield. There is no driveline/exhaust system damage. The airbag didn't deploy. The damage was caused when I ping-ponged from wall to wall on a narrow bridge. The walls have a curb about ten inches high that destroyed the entire suspension without major body damage. I crushed the left front frame spar and bent the right one. > Do they have a laser frame straightener? They have a Cellette(sp?) machine specifically for BMWs. The shop claims fraction of a mm accuracy. I dunno if Cellette is good or bad. Rodger 97 M3/2 in a pile 90 325is 01 M3 space in the garage

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#9. Defroster question - from John Stoj
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:22:33 -0800 (PST) From: John Stoj <John_Stoj@excite.com> Subject: Defroster question OK Folks, Here's a question I've been meaning to ask for ages, but I keep forgetting: Can you get the defroster/defogger to work on any speed other than full high fan speed? If so, how? I'm pretty sure I couldn't find it in the manual. Thanks, John '97 M3 _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Alignment Specs & Advice - from nabli@attglobal.net
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:33:12 -0500 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] Alignment Specs & Advice Dan, Use the Hunter specs and the M3 is aligned without loading - except for you in the driver's seat and a full tank of gas. Cheers, Jim E. Daniel wrote: > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:18:20 -0800 (PST) > From: Daniel <m3_driver@yahoo.com> > Subject: Alignment Specs & Advice > > Here are the alignment specs lifted off the Bentley > Manual and the Hunter Enginnering printout as to what > the correct setting should be > It is interesting to note that they are not the same: > > Bentley Manual: > > Left Front Toe +5' (+/- 2.5') > Right Front Toe +5' (+/- 2.5') > Left Front Camber -46' (+/- 30') > Right Front Camber -46' (+/- 30') > > Left Rear Toe +15' (+/- 3') > Right Rear Toe +15' (+/- 3') > Left Rear Camber -1degree 45' (+/- 10') > Right Rear Camber -1degree 45' (+/- 10') > > Huunter: > > Left Front Toe +0.17degrees (+/- .04degrees) > Right Front Toe +0.17degrees (+/- .04degrees) > Left Front Camber -0.8degrees (+/- 0.5degrees) > Right Front Camber -0.8degrees (+/- 0.5degrees) > > Left Rear Toe +0.17degrees (+/- .04degrees) > Right Rear Toe +0.17degrees (+/- .04degrees) > Left Rear Camber -1.8degrees (+/- 0.2degrees) > Right Rear Camber -1.8degrees (+/- 0.2degrees) > > Bentley manual suggest loading the car with weights in > the respective seats and a full tank of gas. > Hunter says that the M3 chassis requires no loading, > just a full tank of gas. > > Am I reading this wrong or are the specs presented in > 2 different formats? > > Any advice? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > *************************************************************

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#11. Lookin' for E36 M3/4 race car - from BobTunnell@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:28:25 EST From: BobTunnell@aol.com Subject: Lookin' for E36 M3/4 race car In 1998 I raced a blue 1997 M3 sedan w/gray leather interior in SCCA's Touring 2 class for TC Kline. At the end of the season TC sold the car to a gentleman named Doug Hoover in Carefree, Arizona (just outside Phoenix). We were told Doug has since sold the car to someone else. TC is now looking to find that car in hopes of racing it again, but we cannot locate Doug and have no idea who the current owner is. Anyone happen to have any idea where either Doug or the car might be? Thanks, BT

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#12. RE: [E36M3] Alignment Specs & Advice - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:27:37 -0800 From: Jim Bassett <JBassett@mayannetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Alignment Specs & Advice > Bentley manual suggest loading the car with weights in > the respective seats and a full tank of gas. > Hunter says that the M3 chassis requires no loading, > just a full tank of gas. I just had my car aligned, and asked about this. According to John at Conversion Tech (SF Bay Area) weighting is not neccessary since it affects the alignment very little (if at all). I did have the tank full, however. > Am I reading this wrong or are the specs presented in > 2 different formats? There in different formats - the Bentley spcs are minutes, and the Hunter is degrees. IIRC, there's 60 minutes to a degree (geometry was not my strong suit :-)). HTH, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4

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