E36M3 #879

Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:25:00

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Premature Leather Wear - from Dorffer, Rich
#2. (WOB) leather seat wear - from C.Park
#3. UNSUSCRIBE DIGEST - from DVagios@aol.com
#4. Subject: Premature Leather Wear & Lexol - from WCRoswell@aol.com
#5. Re: Sway bars. Anyone tried more than one brand? + more... - from Neil Maller
#6. unsubscribe list - from Michael Hill
#7. HELP "Oil Starvation" - from Jay
#8. Premature seat wear - from j.demartino@us.qiagen.com
#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Shock Life - from Ron Katona
#10. RE:MK Motorsport chassie (spoiler) - from Joe Tan

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Premature Leather Wear - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:29:00 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Premature Leather Wear Chester said> Try something from Leather Master (http://www.leathercaremaster.com/product/kit1.html) or Leatherique (http://www.leatherique.com), which is much more thick and appears to feed the leather better. I have to agree with Chester on this one. I have used Lexol, Pinnacle, the cheap stuff at the local auto stores made/marketed by all the regular car care manufacturers, Leather Master, and Leatherique. Although I am told by Duane C. nothing beats the Leather Master (it did appear to be a very good product), I felt the Leatherique was the superior choice. It does appear to feed the leather best and retain the natural patina to the leather. I would not hesitate to recommend it. I probably liked Pinnacle's product second best with Leather Master a close third. All the others are not that great in my opinion. I have used the Leatherique on all sorts of leather components (my recliner, the imitation vinyl (i.e., leather) seats in my old Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, my fiancée's Accord V6, my M3, etc.) and it seemed equally at home on all of these items. YMMV Regards, Rich

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#2. (WOB) leather seat wear - from C.Park
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:44:49 -0500 (EST) From: "C.Park" <cpar2@osf1.gmu.edu> Subject: (WOB) leather seat wear WOB: for my '95 M3, after year 3--i've got significant bolster wear & cracking on the driver seat (despite religious maintenance w/lexol). i'd assume this is just normal since the chanpagne colored nappa leather is pretty soft. -charles (going onto year 6)

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#3. UNSUSCRIBE DIGEST - from DVagios@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:10:18 EST From: DVagios@aol.com Subject: UNSUSCRIBE DIGEST

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#4. Subject: Premature Leather Wear & Lexol - from WCRoswell@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:33:40 EST From: WCRoswell@aol.com Subject: Subject: Premature Leather Wear & Lexol >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:24:14 -0500 >From: "Gil" <gpasswat@dmv.com> >Subject: Premature Leather Wear & Lexol > ...I have informed them in no uncertain terms that I want it replaced >this time! under warranty of course. The car is garage keep so the sun is >not so much a factor now. The dealer overall has been very good (Tate BMW, >Annapolis, MD). The dealer agree to replace the seat leather THIS TIME under warranty. They also recommended that I get window tinting and use Mequires Gold leather treatment. I also have light grey leather. Since they qwill be replacing the leather, would it be possible to added heated front seats at a reasonable cost? Thanks, Bill the M Car Nut 98M3/4 5-sp

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#5. Re: Sway bars. Anyone tried more than one brand? + more... - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:37:13 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Sway bars. Anyone tried more than one brand? + more... on 1/25/01 9:34, "Rob" <motor@cadvision.com> wrote: > Which brings me to my next question: On an M3 with stock suspension how > much rougher is the ride with aftermarket bars? I know this is hard to > qualify but if an H&R/Bilstein is 40% stiffer/rougher where would you rate > the bars? Rob, Stock suspension plus RD bars is my car's winter setup (add Konis/H&Rs in summer). Bigger bars do stiffen the suspension over single wheel bumps, but it's not very noticeable. On your suggested scale, I'd say +15%. Neil 96 M3

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#6. unsubscribe list - from Michael Hill
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:16:43 -0500 From: "Michael Hill" <mhill@cloud9.net> Subject: unsubscribe list

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#7. HELP "Oil Starvation" - from Jay
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:29:07 -0800 From: jay@pactitle.com (Jay) Subject: HELP "Oil Starvation" My lifters are tapping with 8 quarts of oil. Normal driving no [wot]. I use 10-30 mobile one. Changed every 3000 miles. Car has 100,000 miles. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jay 95M3 sharked & intaked

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#8. Premature seat wear - from j.demartino@us.qiagen.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:43:48 +0100 From: j.demartino@us.qiagen.com Subject: Premature seat wear Those of you concerned about wear on the outside seat bolster. This wear is in most cases NOT from sliding over the bolster when entering and exiting the car. It is USUALLY from the seat belt itself. Take a look at where the seat belt rubs when it is fastened. I do not know of a way of preventing it unfortunately... any ideas out there? Other than a very small amount of wear on the bolster (from the belt), I have been using the BMW leather moisturizer with very good results. The only problem is you cannot get the BMW leather cleaner in the US (as far as I have been able to tell). I have been using expensive saddle soap, a soft but firm horse hair brush, clean terry towels, and warm distilled water. I clean the seats every three months and they (99M3, 21k) cannot be distinguished from new (and they are light gray). The key is CLEANING THE CRACKS THOROUGHLY. It is the dirt in the cracks that causes abrasion which breaks down the leather color and fibers. Start with small amounts of soap, remove thoroughly with slightly moistened towels (not wet) follow with BMW moisturizer. In addition, if you ever have a problem like you are having, you can go back and say you have been using the BMW stuff. I can easily imagine the stealer blaming premature leather wear on an aftermarket cleaner/moisturizer and I personally would agree. John

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Shock Life - from Ron Katona
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:19:19 -0500 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Shock Life Matt Henson wrote: > I'm going to have to respectfully disagree on this. > Dampers can only affect the rate of suspension motions > and body roll/pitch. Weight transfer is always > directly controlled by those physical properties you > mentioned. The only way to slow it down is to turn in > slower. Newton didn't give us any time variable in > F=MA except, of course that in the A. Right... however, Imagine replacing the shock with a solid steel rod. Upon turn in 100% of the weight transfer is felt on the control arm and therefore the wheel. That tire immediately gets loaded up. Now remove the steel bar (shock) completely. Upon turn in the weight now transfers through the *spring* to the control arm to the wheel. The spring compresses until equilibrium is achieved. During that compression, energy is stored in the spring and therefore the physics cops are happy. The tire doesn't see an immediate jump in load, but a more gradual ramping up of load as the spring compresses. What this simulates is the difference between a shock set on full stiff, and full soft... just taken to extremes. If we accept the fact that the stiff end of the car will always lose traction first, then you can see how the transient handling of the car can be influenced greatly by the shocks. If all else is equal, the end of the car with stiffer shocks will lose traction first in transient maneuvers. > Dampers can affect the rate of body roll but, for the > most part, body roll does not cause weight transfer, > it's the other way around. I think that the solution > keeps coming back to F/R relative roll stiffness. The > dampers can control the dynamic roll stiffnesses and, > hence, understeer vs. oversteer. > -Matt Right, but again it's understeer/oversteer in transitions that the shocks influence most. Taking this one step further remember that relative stiffness can be in *either* bump or rebound. The stiff end (in roll resistance) of the car loses traction first (all else equal). Whether you stiffen one end of the car in bump or rebound becomes a matter of whether that end is doing something you don't like under braking or acceleration - now we've introduced pitching moments! That's what Sean was explaining about corner entry/exit understeer/oversteer. -- Ron Katona

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#10. RE:MK Motorsport chassie (spoiler) - from Joe Tan
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:21:34 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Subject: RE:MK Motorsport chassie (spoiler) There is a e46 M3 style spoiler for your M3. This should give you some down force at high speed without a huge soiler. I think it would look good on a sedan. Here is the link: http://forums.roadfly.com/m3/messages/archive/msgsy2001w02/61821.html -Joe. -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:08:08 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Magnus_Thom=E9?= <magnus.thome@envox.com> Subject: Hi everybody! I'm relatively new to the list. I've been lurking for a couple of months :-) I live in Sweden and own a -96 four door M3. When I bought the car it already had a full chassie kit from MK Motorsport which I'm very impressed with. It contains modified Bilsteins all round, height adjustable coilovers in the front, afaik upgraded swaybars, MK Motorsport/Remus rear muffler and 18" MK Motorsport wheels with Pirelli PZero-C's (245's all around) Is there anybody more then me on the list with MK stuff on the car? I like the setup very much, it's very stiff in the front end but softer in the back end. The weakest spot is a tendency to be a little bit nervous in the back, tailhappy, in really really fast sweeping corners. That should be easily solved with some aerodynamics in the back. I really don't want a huge wing (I like my car's slightly discreet four door look ;-) but I guess that's the only way? Any suggestions on the best kit for good down force in the back end? Or any other ideas??? Thx!! /Magnus Thomé __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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