E36M3 #890

Wednesday, January 31, 2001 08:54:08

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Brake ducting - from Michael Turgeon
#2. Moda M1 wheels - from HAROLDM3P@aol.com
#3. EBC Red Stuff - from Tobin Finley
#4. Re: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff - from Sean Hester
#5. Re: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff - from Bora Akyol
#6. P-cars prepare to be destroyed! - from David Hogg
#7. Re: [E36M3] P-cars prepare to be destroyed! - from Bora Akyol
#8. Re: [E36M3] drove the new m3 convertible - from Ben Liaw - UUC Motorwerks
#9. Re: M3 front brake ducting help needed - from Neil Maller
#10. Re: E36 M3 UUC tubular sway for sale - from Paul Agustin

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#1. Brake ducting - from Michael Turgeon
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:35:16 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Turgeon <turgeon1@yahoo.com> Subject: Brake ducting As I am hoping to do a school at Road Atlanta in March, I am also looking at ducting. Thanks for all of the previous replys guys. Any further input regarding using ducts in the fog light openings? Possibly a bolt in proposition? Thanks, Mike Turgeon BMW CCA #166866 95 M3 Avus __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#2. Moda M1 wheels - from HAROLDM3P@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:39:17 EST From: HAROLDM3P@aol.com Subject: Moda M1 wheels I have two Moda M1s. I need 2 more in decent shape. A big hole claimed the other two. Moda does not mfr this wheel any longer. Anyone want to sell ? These are on a '95 M3. 17x8.5 in Contact me via e-mail below. HAROLD PETIT , JR. 7 GLENWOOD AVE. HARAHAN, LA. 70123 W # 504-733-1495 H # 504-738-1071 Cell # 504-915-1528 e-mail: haroldm3p@aol.com

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#3. EBC Red Stuff - from Tobin Finley
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:50:56 -0500 From: Tobin Finley <tfinley@fdt.net> Subject: EBC Red Stuff Just a brief product review. I tried a new set of EBC Red Stuff pads last weekend at Sebring and was flabbergasted. Not so much by the performance, which was decent, but by the fact that after five 30 minute sessions, I had less than 1/16 of an inch left on all four corners!! What a huge waste of money! Buyer beware. Tobin '95 M3

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#4. Re: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff - from Sean Hester
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:35:50 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff >Just a brief product review. I tried a new set of EBC Red Stuff pads >last weekend at Sebring and was flabbergasted. Not so much by the >performance, which was decent, but by the fact that after five 30 >minute sessions, I had less than 1/16 of an inch left on all four >corners!! What a huge waste of money! Buyer beware. i have no idea what ebc red stuff pads are. but from the description you gave i'll bet you $10 i can guess. they are "high performance street pads". if i'm wrong, feel free to make fun of me now. if i'm right keep reading. the key word in "high performance street pads" is STREET!!!!! they're not called "intermediate track pads" for a reason. it's because they're CRAPPY track pads. (this is an oversimplification but...) high performance street pads are basically "soft" pads. on the street (meaning under light loads) they stop your car better because they are soft. (just like soft rubber bicycle pads stop you better then hard rubber ones) but they also go away faster and dust like crazy because they are "soft". on the track (meaning when you heat them to thousands of degrees) the story is much more grave. sure they stop your car better (for a couple laps) but they overheat very quickly. they don't fade when they overheat (making you think things are good) but they're getting hotter and hotter. besides warping rotors faster, this also makes them turn to dust in minutes. they actually can (and usually do) catch fire. look at your rotors and calipers. i'll bet they have white powder all over them. that's ash from the fire your brake pads caused. if you DO see the powder, check things out. lots of stuff around there (rubber caliper dust boots, rubber brake lines, etc.) don't like to be on fire, and might be damaged. i know noone'll believe me, but stock pads are actually BETTER track pads then "high performance street pads". they might not stop your car as well, but they'll stay cooler, and not turn to dust and catch on fire. high performance pads are great for the street, and even for autocross (if you can live with the dust) but keep them away from the track. of course... if you go the track... real track pads are what you want. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#5. Re: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:07:15 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol" <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff Never mind the fact that they are sold as (and I quote) "ideal track day pads" and " suitable for light to medium race applications, fast road usage by heavier cars and track day use EBC's semi-metallic Redstuff formulation is a true asphalt race pad with medium lifetime and a friction level of about 0.3” steadily rising to 0.33” at 750șC. Redstuff is very kind to brake discs and can be used on highway vehicles for extreme duty use as well as on race cars. " I am glad that Tobin sent that email since I was considering the same pads. Bora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:35:50 -0800 > From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff > > >Just a brief product review. I tried a new set of EBC Red Stuff pads > >last weekend at Sebring and was flabbergasted. Not so much by the > >performance, which was decent, but by the fact that after five 30 > >minute sessions, I had less than 1/16 of an inch left on all four > >corners!! What a huge waste of money! Buyer beware. > > i have no idea what ebc red stuff pads are. but from the description you > gave i'll bet you $10 i can guess. they are "high performance street pads". > if i'm wrong, feel free to make fun of me now. if i'm right keep reading. > > the key word in "high performance street pads" is STREET!!!!! they're not > called "intermediate track pads" for a reason. it's because they're CRAPPY > track pads. > > (this is an oversimplification but...) high performance street pads are > basically "soft" pads. on the street (meaning under light loads) they stop > your car better because they are soft. (just like soft rubber bicycle pads > stop you better then hard rubber ones) but they also go away faster and dust > like crazy because they are "soft". > > on the track (meaning when you heat them to thousands of degrees) the story > is much more grave. sure they stop your car better (for a couple laps) but > they overheat very quickly. they don't fade when they overheat (making you > think things are good) but they're getting hotter and hotter. besides > warping rotors faster, this also makes them turn to dust in minutes. they > actually can (and usually do) catch fire. look at your rotors and calipers. > i'll bet they have white powder all over them. that's ash from the fire > your brake pads caused. if you DO see the powder, check things out. lots > of stuff around there (rubber caliper dust boots, rubber brake lines, etc.) > don't like to be on fire, and might be damaged. > > i know noone'll believe me, but stock pads are actually BETTER track pads > then "high performance street pads". they might not stop your car as well, > but they'll stay cooler, and not turn to dust and catch on fire. high > performance pads are great for the street, and even for autocross (if you > can live with the dust) but keep them away from the track. > > of course... if you go the track... real track pads are what you want. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >

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#6. P-cars prepare to be destroyed! - from David Hogg
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:34:24 -0800 From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> Subject: P-cars prepare to be destroyed! In response to Simon not wantng to be anti-BMW: The ALMS homologation rule is that you must make the car available to others as raced at whatever price you choose. For the M3 it's very high. You may use whatever engine size so long as you conform to the restrictor plate scheme the organizers have devised. Porsche is allegedly up to 3.8 liters this year. The 'Vettes are now on their third engine upsizing to compete effectively with the Vipers. Under the rules, BMW has no choice but to upsize, look like slow fools or quit. IMHO, I think they've made the right decision. Dave Hogg

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#7. Re: [E36M3] P-cars prepare to be destroyed! - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:07:21 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol" <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] P-cars prepare to be destroyed! Another thing to note here is that you can make more HP by increasing the RPM capability of the engines, but it is much harder to increase the torque of the engines (case in example: Honda VTEC engines). Remember that airflow is restricted too. If Porsche is using a 3.8 liter motor then by all means to remain competitive BMW should use a similar displacement engine, if the V8 fits the bill then so be it. I would rather see BMW competing this year then becoming a bottom feeder. Bora ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: [E36M3] P-cars prepare to be destroyed! > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:34:24 -0800 > From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> > Subject: P-cars prepare to be destroyed! > > In response to Simon not wantng to be anti-BMW: > > The ALMS homologation rule is that you must make the car available to others > as raced at whatever price you choose. For the M3 it's very high. You may > use whatever engine size so long as you conform to the restrictor plate > scheme the organizers have devised. Porsche is allegedly up to 3.8 liters > this year. The 'Vettes are now on their third engine upsizing to compete > effectively with the Vipers. Under the rules, BMW has no choice but to > upsize, look like slow fools or quit. IMHO, I think they've made the right > decision. > > Dave Hogg > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >

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#8. Re: [E36M3] drove the new m3 convertible - from Ben Liaw - UUC Motorwerks
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:52:15 -0500 From: "Ben Liaw - UUC Motorwerks" <ben@shortshifter.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] drove the new m3 convertible although jonathan's account may be questionable, there *IS* an E46 M3 convertible in the country already. a few weeks ago, i was introduced to someone who works at BMW NA. he did confirm that BMW NA imported an E36 M3 convertible as an "engineering sample". whatever the reasoning, if you see a red, E46 M3 convertible in the northern jersey area, chances are, it's not badge engineering. he also confirmed problems with the 3.2L inline 6 as well as SMG coming by next year (he was a little puzzled when i told him that i had already seen pictures of the SMG). i didn't have a chance to ask him about a production V8, but i'll be sure to ask him next time i see him. fwiw. ben liaw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:13 PM Subject: [E36M3] drove the new m3 convertible > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:12:41 -0500 > From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> > Subject: drove the new m3 convertible > > Well, not me personally, but a friend at work has a friend who works > for/with BMW design out of NC (on the way to Spartanburg SC - satellite > office?). According to my friend (who wouldn't be pulling my leg, I hope) > the designer had a VERY light blue (almost silver) M3 convertible. Darker > blue top. Apparently a possible 2002 year model. From what I can gather > from my friend (who isn't bimmer savvy, take with a grain of salt) this is > one of 4 variations of the new M3. 310 Horsepower, 5sp, light grey leather > interior. My colleague did drive the car around and said it was, "wow." I > hope that was an understatement. So is my leg being pulled? The person in > question did say that it looked smoother than mine and had the M3 badge on > it. > > a sketpical Jonathan Evans > 95 M3 > Raleigh, NC

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#9. Re: M3 front brake ducting help needed - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:06:17 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: M3 front brake ducting help needed on 1/30/01 6:23 PM, Jim Bassett <JBassett@mayannetworks.com> wrote: > As I'm probably going to install some ducting as well (and will most likely > use the BW kit), does anyone have feedback on ducts to use in the foglight > area? Are the included ones in the BW kit OK, or are there other better > choices? BMP and others sell glass fibre inlets designed to fit exactly into the fog light apertures. You can lead the 3" hose from there to the BW flanges. I believe you'll have to cut or remove the stock brake ducts to allow the hose to pass, and this may also require you to relocate a sensor or two. The reinforced fabric hose that comes with the BW kit is very durable, but also very stiff. To make the bends needed between fog light inlets and the flanges, you might want to use more flexible rubberized hoses. Question: anyone suggest a preferred source for 3" silicone or PVC hose? I need to order some myself. Neil - At last! A good fog light thread... 96 M3

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#10. Re: E36 M3 UUC tubular sway for sale - from Paul Agustin
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:49:15 -0600 From: Paul Agustin <agustin@iaxs.net> Subject: Re: E36 M3 UUC tubular sway for sale Chris: Why are you selling the sways after just 2k miles? Paul Agustin

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