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#1. Re: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:15:46 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff >Never mind the fact that they are sold as (and I quote) "ideal track day >pads" and " >suitable for light to medium race applications, fast road usage by heavier >cars and track day use >EBC's semi-metallic Redstuff formulation is a true asphalt race pad with >medium lifetime and a friction level of about 0.3” steadily rising to 0.33” >at 750șC. Redstuff is very kind to brake discs and can be used on highway >vehicles for extreme duty use as well as on race cars. " > >I am glad that Tobin sent that email since I was considering the same pads. wow. they're not a street pad huh? scary... i too am glad to know not to use these for my next enduro. ;-) let me try to save you some shopping around effort. the two best race pads are performance friction pf-90 and porterfield R4. this is if the criteria for "best" are: no fade, insanely good stopping power, long lasting, able to take the abuse of stopping a heavy car, over and over, with no cooling to speak of. of course these pads fall short if your criteria for "best" are: quiet, no dust, and inexpensive. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#2. RE: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff - from MDadgar@handspring.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:33:27 -0800 From: MDadgar@handspring.com Subject: RE: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff Sean wrote: > let me try to save you some shopping around effort. the two best race > pads > are performance friction pf-90 and porterfield R4. this is if the > criteria > for "best" are: no fade, insanely good stopping power, long lasting, able > > to take the abuse of stopping a heavy car, over and over, with no cooling > to speak of. of course these pads fall short if your criteria for "best" > are: quiet, no dust, and inexpensive. > Actually, the R4's are pretty inexpensive, too, when you consider the discount that Porterfield gives us. The PF90's are more money, but still great track pads. - Mark '95 M3 '97 528i 5-spd '88 M3, Hennarot, PF90s and Bimmerworld ducts, serious stopping power ---- Mark Dadgar - Product Manager, Visor (650) 230-5037 voice - (650) 230-2100 fax mdadgar@handspring.com - Handspring, Inc Check out Visor at www.handspring.com!
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Street brake pads - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:35:12 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Street brake pads no!!!!! you can't not modify your car!!!!! bmws suck in stock form!!!!! sarcasm aside, i agree with bora. having tried over a dozen brake pads (both for street use and track use) i've concluded that the stock pads are about the best thing out there. definetly for the street, and even for the track. the only time you need different pads is if you are going to the track. and the only pads worth changing to are real live racing pads. (pf-90 and R4 being the two best choices) >From: "Bora Akyol" <akyol@akyol.org> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Street brake pads > >What about the OEM pads? > >They sure dust a lot but the performance is not bad at all. > >Bora > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Thompson" <jthompson@telco.com> >Subject: [E36M3] Street brake pads > > > > People, > > > > My 95 M3 will be in need of brake pads in the near future, and I was >wondering > > what the consensus was on the best street pads. This car isn't tracked, >and > > I don't have any plans to do so in the near future. So I am primarily > > concerned with cold street performance and semi-agressive street >driving. > > > > I was thinking about EBC Green pads but I really have no experience with > > anything other than Repco MetalMasters (or whoever produces them now), >and >that > > is only on other cars. I also have no idea what pads are on the car >(whatever > > was there when I bought it), but they are terrible when wet and worse >when >they > > are cold and wet. > > > > Any suggestions are appreciated. > > Thanks, > > -jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#4. Re: was EBC Red Stuff, now is the perennial track pad thread! - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:39:34 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: was EBC Red Stuff, now is the perennial track pad thread! > Okay, which track pads? R4's? PF90's? Hawks? I'm gonna take the plunge >and get a set of dedicated rotors and pads before the next school. >Probably >settle for the knock-off Brembos that sell for ~$60 (unless you have an >opinion to share) and so that leaves pads..... those are the three best ones. and the only ones i'd consider. in order from best to worst i rank them 1. pf-90. (best performance, most annoying (noises, dust, etc)) 2. R4. (little less annoying, little less performance) 3. hawk. (similar performance to R4, but even more annoying then pf-90, i've never used these myself because i like the other two better) > The details.... stock '95 M3 with stock brakes and ATE Super Blue >fluid. I drive in the 'B' group with the BMWCCA. > It would be nice to not have to bleed the brakes after the Saturday >sessions as seems to be the case these days. I'd rather be hoisting a brew >with my bimwad buddies or sleeping in before the Sunday session. even with ate blue, i bled every two events. that's better then two times for a single one though. if you get pads that run cooler you shouldn't have to bleed as often. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Street brake pads - from Steve Sharp
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:36:05 -0800 From: Steve Sharp <steve.sharp@xilinx.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Street brake pads > > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:51:21 -0500 > From: Jeff Thompson <jthompson@telco.com> > Subject: [E36M3] Street brake pads > > People, > > My 95 M3 will be in need of brake pads in the near future, and I was wondering > what the consensus was on the best street pads. This car isn't tracked, and > I don't have any plans to do so in the near future. So I am primarily > concerned with cold street performance and semi-agressive street driving. > > I was thinking about EBC Green pads but I really have no experience with > anything other than Repco MetalMasters (or whoever produces them now), and that > is only on other cars. I also have no idea what pads are on the car (whatever > was there when I bought it), but they are terrible when wet and worse when they > are cold and wet. > > Any suggestions are appreciated. > Thanks, > -jeff I needed pads for similar use (with occasional autocrossing thrown in) and was pointed to a new pad by my local independant shop. I went with their recommendation of "Spectra 1" pads (made by Ferodo). They seem to have initial bite similar to the stock M3 pads, are virtually dust free (yeah!), and have not had the "stuck pig" squeal at light pedal pressures I had with the stock pads. I'm real pleased all around with these pads for street use. My wife just got her new 2001 model 330i, and if the stock pads start dusting like the E36 M3 pads, she's getting Spectra 1's for her car too just to keep the wheels clean. - Steve
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#6. knock-off Brembos - from j.demartino@us.qiagen.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:57:02 +0100 From: j.demartino@us.qiagen.com Subject: knock-off Brembos Mike, or is it Mount?, I tried the knock off Brembos and PF90s thinking the same thing you are... brand new pads/rotors (well, bedded in with about 400 street miles), track-only combination. I did not have a positive experience. Despite having never warped rotors before (6 drivers schools), I warped these rotors horrendously 2 laps into the second session on the first day! The wheel was literally pulling out of my hand. I installed a set of euro floaters (same pads) to save the day and had trouble free braking for the next day and a half of very hard driving. My advise is to spend the extra money on the floaters. It is not worth risking the $800 track weekend you have already paid for to save a few bucks... not to mention the safety factor! > John C. DeMartino Product Manager QIAGEN Inc 28159 Ave Stanford Valencia, CA 91355 800-426-8157 x23507 j.demartino@us.qiagen.com -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:53:41 -0800 From: "Mount, Mike" <JMMn@pge.com> Subject: was EBC Red Stuff, now is the perennial track pad thread! Subject: Re: [E36M3] EBC Red Stuff >>much snipping...> of course... if you go the track... real track pads are what you want. So, let's stir this pot up once again, eh? Okay, which track pads? R4's? PF90's? Hawks? I'm gonna take the plunge and get a set of dedicated rotors and pads before the next school. Probably settle for the knock-off Brembos that sell for ~$60 (unless you have an opinion to share) and so that leaves pads..... The details.... stock '95 M3 with stock brakes and ATE Super Blue fluid. I drive in the 'B' group with the BMWCCA. It would be nice to not have to bleed the brakes after the Saturday sessions as seems to be the case these days. I'd rather be hoisting a brew with my bimwad buddies or sleeping in before the Sunday session. The downward plunge continues... Mike '95 M3 drive it like you just stole it > John C. DeMartino Product Manager QIAGEN Inc 28159 Ave Stanford Valencia, CA 91355 800-426-8157 x23507 j.demartino@us.qiagen.com
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#7. Re: Ice9 for sale - from Joe Tan
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Ice9 for sale I know that this is a heavily modified car. But I think that its going to be hard to find a buyer who would want to spend $25k for a car that needs a motor rebuild/replacement. Especially when you can find so many '95 M3 in good condition in teh low $20k. It'll be easier for you to fix up the motor and sell a good running car for few thousand more. Just my $0.02 -Joe. --------------- I posted this some time ago, had few nibbles, but nothing firm. I wanted to post this again before I pursue installation of a new motor in the car. Ice9, for those of you who don't know, is a highly modified Avus Blue 95 M3 formerly owned by Carl Buckland. It has won a Solo2 National Event and a Solo1 National Championship, as well as been featured in articles in European Car and Grassroots Motorsports. Unfortunately, at Windy City School at Grattan in September, the superb motor let go... Details on the car and the motor can be seen (lots of pics) at www.jvanhouten.com/bmw It has fine street manners combined with excellent track performance. This car would be a Club Racing IPrepared contender with only the completion of the cage and a diet (and fixing the engine, of course). Truly a fine automobile without compromise. I am currently offering the car for sale at $25K/obo as is, but with stock wheels. I am currently looking to sell the car to finance and ITS effort in an E36 325 for next year. The car is currently in Chicago and has not seen any salt-laden Midwest winters. Let me know if you have any questions. John __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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#8. re: [E36M3] Re: M3 front brake ducting help needed - from andy radin
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:22:59 -0800 From: "andy radin" <fourfa@mindspring.com> Subject: re: [E36M3] Re: M3 front brake ducting help needed >> Question: anyone suggest a preferred source for 3" silicone or PVC hose? I >> need to order some myself. >I got mine from Pegasus (www.pegasusautoracing.com). It was about $8/foot. >Frey Racing has it, too, for you SF Bay Area types. More like $10/foot. Trucking supply companies have lots of this stuff in stock (diesel semi engines use lots of the stuff). Most towns have a few of these, if you need it right away. I got some at a San Jose truck supply place for $5 a foot.
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: was EBC Red Stuff, now is the perennial track pad thread! - from Carey Probst
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:27:09 -0500 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: was EBC Red Stuff, now is the perennial track pad thread! > 1. pf-90. (best performance, most annoying (noises, dust, etc)) > 2. R4. (little less annoying, little less performance) > 3. hawk. (similar performance to R4, but even more annoying then pf-90, Last year was my first year tracking the car. This year will attend several events plus Oktoberfest since it's close by. My question, what is effect of racing pads on rotors? Should I get track rotors to go with track pads? Will R4 or pf-90s kill the rotors? TIA Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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#10. RE: [E36M3] knock-off Brembos - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:30:02 -0800 From: Jim Bassett <JBassett@mayannetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] knock-off Brembos > I tried the knock off Brembos and PF90s thinking the same > thing you are... > brand new pads/rotors (well, bedded in with about 400 street miles), > track-only combination. I did not have a positive experience. > > My advise is to spend the extra money on the floaters. It is not worth > risking the $800 track weekend you have already paid for to save a few > bucks... not to mention the safety factor! As a counterpoint, I've had exactly the opposite experience. I used PF90 with floating rotors, and warped them. At nearly $250/set, this is not good economics :-) So I've been running Brembos and PF90s for two years. After about 4-5 events I start getting a bit of a wobble, so it's time to change rotors. But at $90/set locally this is much easier on the wallet, even if I changed them more frequently. But then, at the frequency that I attend track event (15-20 per year), rotors are consummables just like pads. And in that case, inexpensive is good :-) If you're only doing a few events a year, the floating rotors may be a more economical solution, but I have not found that they resist warping any more than Brembos. My 2 cents, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - heading to Sears Point this weekend, first track event of the New Millennuim :-)