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#1. RE: [E36M3] Re: A Cautionary Tale - Followup - from Roman
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:48:29 -0800 From: Roman <roman@arteuro.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: A Cautionary Tale - Followup Geez, This guy sounds like a man with real taste (eibach stickers on tail lights). I'll need to drop by so he can decorate my REAL M3 with the same attention to detail as he did on his 32x. NOT!!! As some great person once said "What goes around, comes around". Cheers, Roman S. 96 ///M3 -----Original Message----- From: Scott King [mailto:vw8vgti@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:04 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: A Cautionary Tale - Followup Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:01:09 -0500 From: "Scott King" <vw8vgti@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: A Cautionary Tale - Followup >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:16:35 -0500 >From: "Sean Burke" <sburke@columbus.rr.com> >Subject: Re: A Cautionary Tale - Followup >If I remember correctly, this guy lives in Zanesville, OH. Are there > >anyother M3 owners in the Columbus/Dayton/Zanesville area that would > >like to join me in paying him a visit if Ned wishes? >I'm sure enough of us on his doorstep might convince him to return the >money. >--Sean >'98 M3/4 Anyone needing directions to the Jon Marshall residence just let me know... He runs around Zanesville, Ohio with a decaled up 325/28 trying to pass it off as an M3 through the use of a trunklid badge... Scott 97 M3 P.S. The Eibach stickers across the tail lights are a nice touch... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************
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#2. brake pads - from Bradley J. Otoupalik
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:51:14 -0800 From: "Bradley J. Otoupalik" <otoupalik@pobox.com> Subject: brake pads I have to take exception to one of Sean's two pads. The PF-90's are awesome. However, the R4 is not! This pad becomes very mushy when pushed hard and heated up. They also do not last very long. This is my experience on both an e30 M3 and an e36 LTW. The other pad that is top notch is the Pagid Orange. The Pagid Orange and the PF90 are about equal on all counts. They cost a little more, but they last a long time, are easy on rotors and STOP, i mean STOPPPP the car! Just my experience! Brad At 01:43 PM 1/31/01 -0600, you wrote: >wow. they're not a street pad huh? scary... i too am glad to know not to >use these for my next enduro. ;-) > >let me try to save you some shopping around effort. the two best race pads >are performance friction pf-90 and porterfield R4. this is if the criteria >for "best" are: no fade, insanely good stopping power, long lasting, able >to take the abuse of stopping a heavy car, over and over, with no cooling to >speak of. of course these pads fall short if your criteria for "best" are: >quiet, no dust, and inexpensive. Bradley J. Otoupalik
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#3. Tire storage - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:03:54 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Tire storage Carey said:> >Another first time question. >This is the first year I've bothered getting a dedicated set of wheels and tires. What's the >recommended way to store them? On the sides, on edge? Don't really have a place to hang them. Place them stacked on their sides and store them inside a large industrial size black plastic garbage bag. The bag eliminates potential damage from Ultraviolet light breaking down the carbon black and rubber compound. I really do not think it matters whether they are on their side or edge as the tires are more than durable enough to handle either way. I store mine this way (four tires/wheels stacked in one spot and eight tires stacked without wheels in another spot) and I believe it is appropriate based on discussions with tire engineers. YMMV. I also have mine stacked in a basement that is cool (55 - 65 degrees year round), dark and dry. Regards, Rich
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Tire storage - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:17:22 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Tire storage > I store mine this way (four tires/wheels stacked in one spot and eight tires > stacked without wheels in another spot) and I believe it is appropriate > based on discussions with tire engineers. YMMV. I also have mine stacked > in a basement that is cool (55 - 65 degrees year round), dark and dry. I seem to recall that if the tire is mounted, then it should be stored flat. If the tire is just the donut (unmounted), then it should be stored on the tread... Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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#5. Re: [E36M3] brake pads - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:09:51 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] brake pads >I have to take exception to one of Sean's two pads. > >The PF-90's are awesome. However, the R4 is not! This pad becomes very >mushy when pushed hard and heated up. They also do not last very >long. This is my experience on both an e30 M3 and an e36 LTW. were those regular R4 pads? (not R4S or R4E) i've always rated pf-90s a "10" and R4 pads a "9". not as good as pf-90s but certainly not "mushy". one note. i didn't ever use R4 pads until i had a real brake duct cooling system. this kept my temps closer to 800-900 rather then the 1200-1300 you'll get on a stock M3. maybe R4 pads go away when heated too high? (1200 degrees is "too high" no matter what pads you have, but maybe pf-90s deal with it better?) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#6. race pads. - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:52:43 -0800 From: Kit Wetzler <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: race pads. > let me try to save you some shopping around effort. the two best race pads > are performance friction pf-90 and porterfield R4. The Hawk Blue is better than the R4in my opinion... the R4 is much harder to modulate and tends to crumble when overheated... (killed a set of Laguna, good thing I had my 1/3 left worn out hawks with me...) The blues are under $200 for front and rear, much cheaper than the Porterfields. (of course this doesn't take into account the E36 list discount, which I didn't know about until just now, but the blues are still cheaper) the blues are harder on rotors when they're cold, but not much. -kit
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#7. rotors - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:00:53 -0800 From: Kit Wetzler <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: rotors > I've got second-hand experience with the Hawk Blues (Hi Donna! :-)). Donna's > got them on her E30 M3, and the Hawks wore down the rotors quickly - the gas > slots were wore flat after 2 events (Buttonwillow & Sears - not huge braking > tracks). But they do stop well; I drove her car at parade-lap speeds (all > she'll allow me <BFG>) I have a set of Hawk Blues... As Jim and Donna can both attest to, I'm a pretty late braker and am hard on brakes. I've now done 8 track days on one set of Hawk Blues and they are still going strong. And, my first set of rotors lasted 15K street miles and those same 8 track days... not bad! The blues wear rotors REALLY fast when they're cold. They're very friendly once up to temp... the solution? drive faster! ;) hahah Jim, I bet you did more damage to the rotors in line and during that parade session... I drove to Thunderhill with my blues (and R1As) and, aside from the backache, killed my rotors... :( -kit, about to be pummeled... 97 m3
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: was EBC Red Stuff, - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:48:50 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: was EBC Red Stuff, now is the perennial track pad thread! Re: >Last year was my first year tracking the car. This year will attend several >events plus Oktoberfest since it's close by. > >My question, what is effect of racing pads on rotors? > >Should I get track rotors to go with track pads? Will R4 or pf-90s kill the >rotors? It's so interesting to see how different everyone's experiences are. Some people manage to get by with stock rotors and without ducting and rarely replacing rotors, and others can't live without ducts and warp rotors constantly. So YMMV is extremely applicable w/regard to this issue. If you go with PF-90s, you'd better get dedicated rotors. The shuddering that occurs when laying down the PF90 material onto the rotors is something you must experience to believe ... if you use the same rotors for street and track, you'll re-live the experience each track event, and you'll waste a whole track day before the PF90s are working well. I've also used Hawks (better torque, excellent performance, horrifically corrosive brake dust) and am now using Pagid Orange (jury still out on Orange vs. PF90). I have R4S on several street cars, but have never tracked them. I'd suggest you get a full set of PF90s from Porterfield (mention the deal they have with us), and break them in as best you can on the street prior to your event. In the meantime, order yourself a new set of Brembo fronts rotors (you can keep your rears and run whatever pad you like -- it's not an issue with rear rotors). This way you will be bedding in the PF90s onto old rotors, which is recommended. After the event, put your new rotors on the car, along with your old pads. In the future, you'll need to put the "PF90'd" rotors back on for each track event. It's a bit of a PITA to switch rotors, but I think it's the better way to go ... and re: > >A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, >the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. good sig. -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Tire storage - from Steve Hudson
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:12:31 -0600 From: "Steve Hudson" <shudson@io.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Tire storage Tires should also not be stored near sources of ozone, such as electric motors. I think the ozone breaks down the rubber. Steve Hudson '97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorffer, Rich <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: [E36M3] Tire storage > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:03:54 -0500 > From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > Subject: Tire storage > > Carey said:> > > >Another first time question. > > >This is the first year I've bothered getting a dedicated set of wheels and > tires. What's the > >recommended way to store them? On the sides, on edge? Don't really have a > place to hang them. > > > Place them stacked on their sides and store them inside a large industrial > size black plastic garbage bag. The bag eliminates potential damage from > Ultraviolet light breaking down the carbon black and rubber compound. I > really do not think it matters whether they are on their side or edge as the > tires are more than durable enough to handle either way. > > I store mine this way (four tires/wheels stacked in one spot and eight tires > stacked without wheels in another spot) and I believe it is appropriate > based on discussions with tire engineers. YMMV. I also have mine stacked > in a basement that is cool (55 - 65 degrees year round), dark and dry. > > Regards, > > Rich > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#10. Re: [E36M3] '99 M3 FS and a FS Poll... - from Rich Gay
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:25:14 -0600 From: "Rich Gay" <rich_gay@linbeck.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] '99 M3 FS and a FS Poll... on 1/31/01 1:44 PM, Andy Korczynski at andy@casskor.com wrote: > BTW, there are usually a couple of FS ads a week posted on this list. Has > anyone on this list actually sold a car because of this list? Just > curious.... I sent a note about my 95 M3 last week on this list, and a few others. Also put an ad up on autotrader.com, and a classified over the weekend in the local Houston paper. Zero nibbles. I'm bummed. - Rich