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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 - from Jim Powell
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:29:05 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 I like E30M3s as much as the next guy, but an '88 isn't worth as much as a '95 and some people think they are. Jim You guys can buy my cherry '90 E30 325i for $11K if you want :) MDadgar@handspring.com wrote: > Jim wrote: > > How about the whackos who think that E30M3s are worth $15K+? > > > They are worth $15K+. If that's what you can get for one. > > Capitalism rules. > > - Mark > '95 M3 > '97 528i 5-spd > '88 M3, Hennarot, worth whatever I can sell it for > ---- > Mark Dadgar - Product Manager, Visor > (650) 230-5037 voice - (650) 230-2100 fax > mdadgar@handspring.com - Handspring, Inc > Check out Visor at www.handspring.com!
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#2. m3 prices - from Bradley J. Otoupalik
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:35:37 -0800 From: "Bradley J. Otoupalik" <otoupalik@pobox.com> Subject: m3 prices Jim, A frined just sold an e30 M3 for 19,900 and I have had offers near 20k. My partner just sold for 18k e30 M3's have the heritage and are respected by collectors and racers - that drives the price up! e36 M3's are dropping in price as the average buyer is not the collector or racer. The average buyer for a used M3 is the CRX or Civic driver who has now grown up a bit and wants to get out of the import scene. Or those who had 3 series, but could not afford the M, now they can! The prices have plummeted for 95 cars! I am jsut waiting till they get a little lower, then I will sell my e30 and build an e36 race car! Brad >Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:11:42 -0800 >From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 > >How about the whackos who think that E30M3s are worth $15K+?
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 - from Jim Powell
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:39:06 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 Of course you can compare them. Each car has a unique driving 'feel'. But an E36M3 will spank an E30M3 everytime. Its a superior chassis. Sure the E30M3 is a fun little go cart with a charm all its own. But an equivalent market value? For idiots maybe. Jim "George M. Kofman" wrote: > > How about the whackos who think that E30M3s are worth $15K+? > > > > JP; > not to start a flame war here, but you cannot compare an E30M3 to an E36M3. > I seriously (yet briefly) considered spending 10-12K for an E30 M3 track > car. And yes, you can get an E30M3 for 8K and spend another 8-10 making it > "right." There are just so many E36M3s out there that well, for a lack of a > better word, it is treated as a regular (yet spirited and infinitely fun) > car. In a free market economy, it's all supply and demand. more supply > than demand, price goes down. less supply than demand, well then pay 15K > for a nice 12 yr old car. > > YMMV. As far as I am concerned, matter closed. > > GMK > '97 M3
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#4. Re: m3 prices - from Jim Powell
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:43:59 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: m3 prices I know what you mean. I used to sell hookers to idiots who used the wrong head when thinking b'ness. God bless stupid people who will make you rich with misguided thinking. Jim Clearly able to see they are hunks of metal. "Bradley J. Otoupalik" wrote: > Jim, > > A frined just sold an e30 M3 for 19,900 and I have had offers near 20k. My > partner just sold for 18k > > e30 M3's have the heritage and are respected by collectors and racers - > that drives the price up! > > e36 M3's are dropping in price as the average buyer is not the collector or > racer. The average buyer for a used M3 is the CRX or Civic driver who has > now grown up a bit and wants to get out of the import scene. Or those who > had 3 series, but could not afford the M, now they can! > > The prices have plummeted for 95 cars! > > I am jsut waiting till they get a little lower, then I will sell my e30 and > build an e36 race car! > > Brad > > >Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:11:42 -0800 > >From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 > > > >How about the whackos who think that E30M3s are worth $15K+?
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Track tires- Kuhmo's or Hoosier? - from Sean Hester
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:45:52 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Track tires- Kuhmo's or Hoosier? >The Kuhmo's may have had better longevity in previous years, but my >experience last year is they suck. Possibly even not as good as the >Hoosier. >They are still cheaper than the Hoosier. I consistently was getting less >than four track days on the Kuhmo's. I could get up to six on the Hoosiers. i depends on how you define "lasting". khumos pretty much stay the same until they are corded. they grip about "8" (out of 10) when new, and maybe 7.5 when they are corded. hoosiers grip at "10" when new. but after 8 heat cycles or so (basically two days) they drop to about "7". another 4 cycles and they are at "5". now... they still have plenty of rubber, and i assume you could keep running them, but i never have. after 12 heat cycles (three days) they are so slippery that i change them. that's why i say the hoosiers don't last. because their performance goes away, not their rubber. it's also one of the reasons i think khumos are better for schools. when you're learning, having the tires be constant is a good thing. how else are you going to get used to how fast you can go in a corner for instance? with your tires changing enough to notice, every session, getting consistant is a pain. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#6. Re: [E36M3] re: Steering the rear end of the car with the brakes - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:06:49 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol" <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] re: Steering the rear end of the car with the brakes Ron I actually alternate between throttle and brake pedals throughout the turn combined with braking deep into the corner. I don't do this on all corners but I do it on clover-leaf type autocross turns (around 270 degrees or so). I find that this helps to rotate my car around a bit. As far as my times compared to other cars in my class. In my last autocross, I was 0.9 seconds slower than a Corvette Z06 on street tires (I am also on street tires) with a time of 37.9 seconds, I was faster than 3 NSXs, and some 300ZXs all on street tires, 4th in my class. But I was 2 seconds slower than our good friend Jim Bassett with his M3 on slicks. Of course he is much faster than I am in autocrosses. Bora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Katona" <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:33 AM Subject: [E36M3] re: Steering the rear end of the car with the brakes > Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 06:25:45 -0500 > From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> > Subject: re: Steering the rear end of the car with the brakes > > Bora Akyol wrote: > > I autocross on street tires, so I get quite a bit of understeer. I feel that > > when I am using the brake pedal in addition to the throttle to steer the car > > in tight turns, I get better placement of the car in the turn. > ... > > Anyone else used to steering the car using both gas and brake pedals while > > autocrossing, am I doing something wrong? > > If you use both at the same time, that's what's referred to as as left > foot braking. Some autocross champions swear by it, some never use it, > but all agree it's difficult to master. If you are braking with the > right foot deep into the corner, then switching over to the gas, that's > trail braking. How are you doing compared to other cars in your class? > If you're kicking butt, keep doing what you're doing. If it's the other > way around, maybe try something different. I use a little trail braking > almost everywhere, but haven't mastered left foot braking. Both *can* > make you faster. > > Probably the best answer is that the same technique won't necessarily be > the best thing on every corner. Learning to read the course and feel the > car are the keys. > -- > Ron Katona > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] re: Steering the rear end of the car with the brakes - from Steve Hazard
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:08:43 -0500 From: Steve Hazard <SHazard@nhboston.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] re: Steering the rear end of the car with the brakes Peter, IMHO LFB is for real. I've been going it for 20+ years. Of course my last four cars were all FWD and Left Foot Braking in a FWD car makes a huge difference. Best place to learn the technique is on a wet skidpad, or even better a snow covered parking lot. Gently apply the brakes with your left foot while your right foot is constant on the go pedal. You can steer the car with the pedals....Ever see those Rally cars doing four wheel drifts :-) They're Left Foot Braking........ Now in a Auto X enviroment it takes tons of practice before you will see any results. RWD cars do not behave quite the same as FWD with this practice. One of the reasons for this is weight distribution. Your typical FWD has 63-66% of its weight over the front axle...the M3 is almost 50/50.....ie its damn easy to rotate the rear around in the FWD cars....... An AStock M3 will understeer in most corners. If you do fun runs after an Autocross event try LFB past the apex in the tight corners...By keeping the weight over the Front wheels longer you increase the contact patch and decrease the patch in the rear, With practice you can rotate the rear around using both pedals w/o losing time. Just DON"T LIFT THAT GO PEDAL!!!!! IF a particular course has an Open 180 degree Box where the outside of the corner is open at the apex this is where you can rotate the rear end..... Another place to play around in a fun run is the larger high speed radius corners. Again keep the go pedal down and gently apply the brakes till the rear starts to get light and rotate. If you did it right you can really set the car up for the next point and shoot. And its a hoot! I kind of got away from LFB when I started Solo II'ng with the M3.... After those 4 FWD cars I had plenty to learn with a 25% lock in the rear :-).....But am now 100% committed to it again. Another place to work on it is an Evolution Autocross school, or a AUTO X Test and Tune Day. You also can fool around on the street just getting used to pedal pressure and threshold braking in a straight line. It sure feels alien when you start doing it, but with time it becomes second nature..... Good luck! Steve You posted> From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] re: Steering the rear end of the car with the brakes > If you use both at the same time, that's what's referred to as as left > foot braking. Some autocross champions swear by it, One of the fastest guys in the Bay Area, Peter Mottaz, uses this technique to great effect with his G Stock 325is. His take on it -- as I grilled him about it when he was my instructor last year -- was that autocross is a matter of 100ths of a second, so thhere is not time to switch your foot back and forth. Trail braking (staying on the brakes after you've turned in to keep the weight to the nose) is just a part of it -- it's all about saving time. I've been able to shave a couple seconds off on certain courses by trail braking into some tight corners, but I am by no stretch of the imagination one of the fast drivers, so take it with a grain of salt. Most of us are fighting understeer when we autocross, so anythign we can do to keep the weight forward while turning usually helps. -peterg
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:10:16 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol" <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 You go Jim, I am waiting for some E30M3 owner to wake up and price his car more like 7K somewhere here in the Bay Area. Bora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Powell" <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 > Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:11:42 -0800 > From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 > > How about the whackos who think that E30M3s are worth $15K+? > > "George M. Kofman" wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:08:20 -0600 > > From: "George M. Kofman" <sdg2@execpc.com> > > Subject: Re: price for a '95 M3 > > > > > I have almost the exact car. I'm selling it with my set of winter > > > wheels/tires plus 2 extra street tires. I'm having a helluva time moving > > > it at $24,500. My car is EXTRA clean. Talk about frustrating. > > > Not trying to be a bummer, just warning you of what may be out there. > > > Unfortunately, the prices of the '95 M3's are plummeting. Kbb had my car > > at > > > $27,800 when I first advertised it 3 months ago. Today Kbb has it at > > > $25,200. > > > > About 2 weeks ago, while looking for my dream car - a Caterham deDion Super > > 7, I saw a pic of what appeared to me a LTW (flag on fender, etc) in one of > > the high-line car monthlies. The price was amazing ~25K asking for a > > reasonably low-mi car (for a LTW being sold by a high-line east coast > > dealer). when I called, I was told the car was sold. I asked a few more > > questions, and discovered it was not a LTW but a regular white M3 with a > > flag decal and a few options. Just for shits and giggles, I asked how much > > it sold for. The DEALER got $22 or 22.5K for it. I asked him for pricing > > on a few other cars, and he was on the money. This appears to be a legit > > price, as I was recently quoted 25K on a TRADE-IN for my '97. > > > > FWIW, KBB doesn't sell cars. Auctions and dealers do... Check what the > > dealers in your area are GETTING for these cars, and price accordingly. > > Also, keep in mind that the economy is slowing down and the dealers are > > eager to move their inventories. > > > > YMMV. > > > > GMK > > '97 M3 > > > > ************************************************************* > > List Commands > > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > > > To issue a command/request to the server: > > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > > subject of the message. > > ************************************************************* > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#9. RE: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 - from Daniel
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:18:34 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel <m3_driver@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 I have mine listed in the ROundel for $38K with 11K miles Dan '99M3 --- Andy Korczynski <andy@casskor.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:25:17 -0600 > From: "Andy Korczynski" <andy@casskor.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: price for a '95 M3 > > Ok so what is a clean 99 M3 really worth? I see > dealers listing them for > $40K here so I figured asking for $37k was > reasonable. What about edmunds's > TMV (true market value) which lists a 99 M3 at > $37k?? > > Andy K. > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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#10. For Sale - from Jim Powell
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 11:22:12 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: For Sale I have the following item for sale: 40 year old blond Dutch woman (we know about them, don't we?) Legs up to her ass, fully loaded closet and all jewelry included. Runs well, starts on first try. Always kept garaged and waxed. Was drop dead gorgeous when first acquired and has always been meticulously maintained. Never had the head off or had the bottom end rebuilt but still a strong runner. $1,000,000 or even swap for Victoria's Secret lingerie model. Or.... call me if you have some ratty-ass E30 M3. I might give you her, my E36 M3 plus my left arm. Jim
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#11. '95M3 non obc display unit wanted - from Daniel
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:22:43 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel <m3_driver@yahoo.com> Subject: '95M3 non obc display unit wanted For a early production (4/94) E36M3 without the obc (it was not an opition on the first cars). My display is shot...if you have one lying around or know where I can get one (besides the dealer), please email me with info. Thanks __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/