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#1. RedLine Oil FS in Houston - from Daniel
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:35:18 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel <m3_driver@yahoo.com> Subject: RedLine Oil FS in Houston I have some extras here... 6 qts of D4ATF 5 qts of 75w90 If you are in the Houston area and want to come pick them up...you can have them for $7.00 per quart Thanks Daniel __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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#2. Significantly different motors Euro E36 vs E46 M3 - from Josh
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:46:00 -0700 From: Josh <eurosprt@xmission.com> Subject: Significantly different motors Euro E36 vs E46 M3 At 09:04 AM 2/2/01 -0600, you wrote: >-------------------- 5 -------------------- >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 05:48:37 -0800 (PST) >From: Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> >Subject: Motors: Euro E36 vs. E46 > >Hi all, > >I was reading a letter in the March Motor Trend that >asked about the difference b/w the S52 E36 Euro Motor >and the S54 E46 motor since they had the same >displacement and throttle bodies. They said that the >E46 had 6 Ind throttle butterflies where the E36 had >3. Do the two engines have the same 6 throttle bodies >but different # of butterflies? And what are the >butterflies? > >Ed Tang >95 Cosmos M3 > >__________________________________________________ >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >-------------------- 6 -------------------- >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:00:00 -0500 >From: "Ben Liaw - UUC Motorwerks" <ben@shortshifter.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Motors: Euro E36 vs. E46 > >the Euro E36 M3 motors do have 6 throttle bodies, but they're connect in >pairs (hence, 3 pairs). > >the E30 M3 has 4 throttle bodies, but they are also connected in pairs (of >course, 2 pairs). see an example of the E30 M3 throttle bodies here: > >http://www.motorsportimports.com/images/e30m3/throttle-bodies-25-large.jpg > >the throttle bodies on the euro E36 M3 cars are VERY >expensive...approximately $2500 list. > >butterflies? those are the little "flaps" that open/close with the >throttle. it's the gold colored, circular shaped item (with the silver rod >going through it) in this picture: > >http://www.dinanbmw.com/html/graphics/throttle_%20body_med.gif > >hope this helps. > >ben liaw BMW's design goals with the next generation M motors is as follows: -Implementation of the high rev concept -Increase in torque and power output compared to the S50B32 -Reduction in specific fuel consumption -Reduction in weight of engine components -Introduction of EDR to facilitate DSC, ASC, MSR -Same engine used worldwide (no variants) -Compliance with legally stipulated exhaust an noise emission requirements BMW achieved this goal through seemingly small yet very significant changes in engine design. Here is what you have as far as differences and similarities between the Euro E36 (S50B32) and the E46 (S54B32) E36 S50B32 E46 S54B32 Displacement 3201cc 3246cc Bore/stroke 86.4mm/91mm 87mm/91mm Horsepower 321@7400 343@7900 Max engine speed 7600rpm 8000rpm Power per liter 100.6 105.7 Weight to power ratio 4.9 kg/bhp 4.36 kg/bhp Torque Nm/rpm 350@3250 365@4900 Torque per liter 109.34 112.45 Compression ratio 11.3/1 11.5/1 Valve diameter head in/ex 35mm/30.5mm 35mm/30.5mm stem in/ex 6.0mm/6.0mm 6.0mm/6.0mm valve lift in/ex 11.3mm/11.3mm 12mm/12mm Spread In (deg. crank angle) 70-130 70-130 ex (deg. crank angle) 76-114 83-128 Tappet design bucket w/ puck shim finger w/ block shim The new finger type tappet design eliminated the friction associated with the bucket type tappet. In addition to the friction reduction the finger tappet is significantly lighter than the bucket design. Less weight means less oscillating mass which means higher achievable rpm and reduction in pumping losses. The crankshaft on the new M3 is forged from a high tensile steel (42 CrMo 4). I cannot remember if the crank on the Euro S50B32 is forged, but the US version was a spheroidal cast iron. The crankshaft on the E46 M3 motor has the crank sensor bolted to the 6th main bearing journal for better accuracy in engine misfire detection and measurement of the "smoothness in running" characteristics. The previous generation Euro motor obtained the crankshaft position information from teeth that were cut into the outer ring of harmonic damper. Reading signal from the outer ring of the harmonic damper led to inaccuracies in measurement due to flex in the vibration absorbing rubber layer. The US version motor switched to the same design with the 2nd generation/OBDII 3.2l motor in 1996. The crankshaft main bearing design is similar to the Euro E36 except the thrust bearing is an integral bearing. In an integral bearing, the bearing shells and thrust washers are bonded together as a single component. The connecting rods of the E46 M3 are forged steel crack connecting rods (C70 S6 BY 95). The connecting rod width has been reduced from 22mm on the E36 Euro M3 to 20mm on the E46 M3. Due to higher loads experienced in the new motor the new rods are reinforced as well as have larger connecting rod bolts. The pistons of the E46 M3 are cast aluminum (full slipper skirt) with recess for a compression ratio of 11:5/1. The pistons are made of GK-Al Si 12 CuMgNi (1245). Like the Euro E36 the pistons receive additional cooling via oil spray nozzles mounted inside the crankcase. As stated by the previous email(s) the intake throttle bodies have been unconsolidated into 6 individual pieces unlike the 2 by 3 pairing of the previous generation motor. The most important difference in the throttle assembly is the addition of the EDR aka electronic throttle control. The EDR is integral to the further evolution of superior throttle response characteristics found in the BMW M engines. Along with changes to the throttle assembly design and control along with use of special simulation software of the formula 1 dept. used to optimize the diameter:length ratio BMW further optimized the shape and flow characteristics of the intake plenum box specifically for the new S54 engine. The fuel pressure valve has been relocated to fit inside of the fuel filter. A new flywheel was developed by LUK of Germany specifically for use with the new motor. It is similar to the previous generation twin mass design. The Euro E46 M3 models will be fitted with a self adjusting clutch. The new US and Roadster version clutch will be fitted with a conventional non self adjusting clutch. In addition the clutch control hydraulic line has been fitted with a special restrictor thus protecting the drivetrain from overloading via load peaks. This restrictor helps protect both the drivetrain and rear axle suspension. The exhaust headers of the new M3 engine like the E36 Euro M3 engine are made of stainless steel however the new E46 M3 headers have been weight optimized by reducing the mounting flange bolts from 4 bolts to 3 bolts per down pipe. This design has also improved the flange pressure characteristics. Another notable exhaust change in the E46 M3 vs E36 M3 design is exceptionally large muffler capacity of 40 liters which was realized through the removal of the spare tire compartment. On another misc note the new M3 exhaust valves stems like the E30 M3 sport evo are sodium filled for superior cooling characteristics. BTW I should eventually have this information along with additional detailed information posted on my new (under-development) website. I will drop a line to the list when it is available. Josh MacMurray Eurosport Your source for Jim Conforti / Landshark products Shark Injectors and Shark Intake Systems Phone 801 886 2185 fax 801 886 2189 www.sharkinfested.com
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#3. More on brake fluid - from Patrick Dargan
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:18:58 -0500 From: "Patrick Dargan" <darg01@earthlink.net> Subject: More on brake fluid Thanks for the replies re how long to store open cans. In case anyone is interested, these are the Boiling Point (BP) specs for the old DOT 4 Castrol we all used to use; the ATE Blue and the new Valvoline Synthetic: Castrol Min BP 446; Wet 311 Ate Min BP 536; Wet 392 Valvoline Syn Min BP 513; Wet 333 Does anyone know the specs for DOT 5.1 fluid?
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#4. Gauges for M3 - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:37:01 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Gauges for M3 Neil said >I bought the kit from BMP and had to make my own wiring harness. It took an eternity to round up all the parts and get it just right. However much Jamie Harris at Eastern Motorwerks <www.easternmotorwerks.com> charges for his pre-made harness, it's worth it. Unfortunately it wasn't available when I installed my gauges 3 years ago. I bet they supply the correct 80 psi oil pressure gauge too, instead of the 150 psi from BMP which I had to replace. Jamie does include the proper VDO oil pressure gauge (although I also gave him the VDO number of the proper 80psi gauge just in case but he was one step ahead of me) and the wiring harness is worth every penny. Much nicer and more professionally done that what I could have done myself running all over ordering parts, connectors, wires, crimping tools, etc. He mentions the 80psi gauge and sender multiple times on his website. I think I was one of the first to buy a Motive Brake Bleeder (last winter) directly from Motive when they sold for $35 (now they are $45 or more depending on the vendor). This thing is a professional copy of Jim Powell's DIY instructions. The $35 was worth every penny and is a much better result than what I would have done myself. If you are one who likes a pain-in-the-ass project and the feeling of accomplishment after spending more time and money than just having bought the unit (Motive Brake Bleeder or the Eastern Motorwerks wiring harness) in the first place, by all means do not buy the Motive Brake Bleeder or the Eastern Motorwerks wiring harness. Otherwise, save yourselves the time, money and grief of running all over town trying to do it yourself with subpar results. Your choice. :-) Regards, Rich - Thinking I am in for enough problems just installing the kit with my subpar mechanical/electrical skills as it is without having to do the harness. I wonder what Brett A. is doing this weekend......whoops, he is heading to Daytona (Aussie bastard).
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Gauges for M3 - from Jim Powell
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:50:50 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Gauges for M3 Ahhhhh. now I understand Cleveland. Nobody there does anything for themselves. No wonder it looks like, well, Cleveland. :) Jim Two weeks till training camp Rich. Get busy "Dorffer, Rich" wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:37:01 -0500 > From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > Subject: Gauges for M3 > > Neil said >I bought the kit from BMP and had to make my own wiring harness. > It took an > eternity to round up all the parts and get it just right. However much Jamie > Harris at Eastern Motorwerks <www.easternmotorwerks.com> charges for his > pre-made harness, it's worth it. Unfortunately it wasn't available when I > installed my gauges 3 years ago. I bet they supply the correct 80 psi oil > pressure gauge too, instead of the 150 psi from BMP which I had to replace. > > Jamie does include the proper VDO oil pressure gauge (although I also gave > him the VDO number of the proper 80psi gauge just in case but he was one > step ahead of me) and the wiring harness is worth every penny. Much nicer > and more professionally done that what I could have done myself running all > over ordering parts, connectors, wires, crimping tools, etc. He mentions > the 80psi gauge and sender multiple times on his website. > > I think I was one of the first to buy a Motive Brake Bleeder (last winter) > directly from Motive when they sold for $35 (now they are $45 or more > depending on the vendor). This thing is a professional copy of Jim Powell's > DIY instructions. The $35 was worth every penny and is a much better result > than what I would have done myself. > > If you are one who likes a pain-in-the-ass project and the feeling of > accomplishment after spending more time and money than just having bought > the unit (Motive Brake Bleeder or the Eastern Motorwerks wiring harness) in > the first place, by all means do not buy the Motive Brake Bleeder or the > Eastern Motorwerks wiring harness. Otherwise, save yourselves the time, > money and grief of running all over town trying to do it yourself with > subpar results. Your choice. :-) > > Regards, > > Rich - Thinking I am in for enough problems just installing the kit with my > subpar mechanical/electrical skills as it is without having to do the > harness. I wonder what Brett A. is doing this weekend......whoops, he is > heading to Daytona (Aussie bastard). > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > *************************************************************
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Gauges for M3 - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:57:30 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Gauges for M3 Jim touts > Ahhhhh. now I understand Cleveland. Nobody there does anything for themselves. No wonder it looks like, well, Cleveland. :) Jim Two weeks till training camp Rich. Get busy I came be somewhat creative and inventive but I also know when someone has already done something better than my own expertise and will cut my losses before I get started. Give me a little credit, I am installing the gauges and kit myself ;-) I may have windows in my office but I have a lovely view of the speed ramps as opposed to a nice jogging trail. Besides, no one is going to jog on the speed ramps now anyway, it is about 0 degrees Fahrenheit with wind chill today. I won't even begin to talk about the female specimens in Cleveland versus San Diego anyway. Out, Rich - Thinking about spring training in March and driving schools in May!
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Gauges for M3 - from Sean Hester
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:58:15 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Gauges for M3 >Ahhhhh. now I understand Cleveland. Nobody there does anything for >themselves. No wonder it looks like, well, Cleveland. :) i guess i gotta move to cleveland. i won't even change my own oil. ;-( _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Gauges for M3 - from Jim Powell
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 14:09:34 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Gauges for M3 I'm just picking on you because I've become old and easy going about those dipshits at Dinan. S, since I can't pick on Joe 'da 'Ho, it's your turn. And you take it with aplomb. I like that :) Jim PS: Don't the pitchers and catchers in Clevelnd show up at training in 2-3 weeks? PPS: Was that a Cleveland team that went to Baltimore? ;) "Dorffer, Rich" wrote: > Jim touts > Ahhhhh. now I understand Cleveland. Nobody there does anything > for > themselves. No wonder it looks like, well, Cleveland. :) > > Jim > Two weeks till training camp Rich. Get busy > > I came be somewhat creative and inventive but I also know when someone has > already done something better than my own expertise and will cut my losses > before I get started. Give me a little credit, I am installing the gauges > and kit myself ;-) > > I may have windows in my office but I have a lovely view of the speed ramps > as opposed to a nice jogging trail. Besides, no one is going to jog on the > speed ramps now anyway, it is about 0 degrees Fahrenheit with wind chill > today. I won't even begin to talk about the female specimens in Cleveland > versus San Diego anyway. > > Out, > > Rich - Thinking about spring training in March and driving schools in May!
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#9. WOB (was "Gauges for M3") - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:21:14 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: WOB (was "Gauges for M3") No problem. I am not as sensitive as all those guys on the UUC Digest when it comes to those super sensitive subjects like the use of Anti-Seize versus Loctite ;-) The pitchers and catchers report February 15 and workout beginning on the 17th. Position players report on February 20th and the first full squad workouts begin February 22. March 1st in the first Spring Training game and April 2nd is the Home Opener (Brrrrr). The moving van with all of the equipment left today. Regards, Rich OBMWC - a buddy of mine and I went and looked at a stock silver '98 M3/4 last night with 19k miles. Car was is perfect shape and they agreed to a price of $33k today (was asking $35k). He is a first time BMW owner (currently has an old Lumina) and I have already told him he must join BMW CCA and go to at least one driving school with me this year, preferably Mid-Ohio. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Powell [mailto:jsp98m3@apexcone.com] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 5:10 PM To: Dorffer, Rich Cc: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Gauges for M3 I'm just picking on you because I've become old and easy going about those dipshits at Dinan. S, since I can't pick on Joe 'da 'Ho, it's your turn. And you take it with aplomb. I like that :) Jim PS: Don't the pitchers and catchers in Clevelnd show up at training in 2-3 weeks? PPS: Was that a Cleveland team that went to Baltimore? ;) "Dorffer, Rich" wrote: > Jim touts > Ahhhhh. now I understand Cleveland. Nobody there does anything > for > themselves. No wonder it looks like, well, Cleveland. :) > > Jim > Two weeks till training camp Rich. Get busy > > I came be somewhat creative and inventive but I also know when someone has > already done something better than my own expertise and will cut my losses > before I get started. Give me a little credit, I am installing the gauges > and kit myself ;-) > > I may have windows in my office but I have a lovely view of the speed ramps > as opposed to a nice jogging trail. Besides, no one is going to jog on the > speed ramps now anyway, it is about 0 degrees Fahrenheit with wind chill > today. I won't even begin to talk about the female specimens in Cleveland > versus San Diego anyway. > > Out, > > Rich - Thinking about spring training in March and driving schools in May!
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Rubber bushings? - from nabli@attglobal.net
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:47:12 -0500 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Rubber bushings? Neil Maller wrote: > Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 14:20:12 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Rubber bushings? > > on 2/2/01 12:13 PM, "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Does anyone still have those part numbers (and prices)? More important, what > > is the effect on performance if you have the larger bars, yet use rubber > > bushings instead of poly.? > > Jonathan, > > You don't say which swaybars you have. Assuming they're RD, then the rubber > bushing from the 850Csi is the same 27mm size. > P/N is 31 35 2 227 365 > > I don't know for a fact that their outside contour fits the M3 mounting > bracket, but since they're rubber it should be close enough. I have a set on > order, so will know next week. > FYI: The outside contour will fit perfectly since they use the same stabilizer support - i.e., the part that the bushing goes into. In fact, that same support is used on E36, E34, E32, E31, E28 M5, E24 635 csi, and all the Z3s. Cheers, Jim E.
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#11. Re: [E36M3] Re: Rubber bushings? - from nabli@attglobal.net
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:47:37 -0500 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Rubber bushings? Neil Maller wrote: > Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 14:20:12 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Rubber bushings? > > on 2/2/01 12:13 PM, "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Does anyone still have those part numbers (and prices)? More important, what > > is the effect on performance if you have the larger bars, yet use rubber > > bushings instead of poly.? > > Jonathan, > > You don't say which swaybars you have. Assuming they're RD, then the rubber > bushing from the 850Csi is the same 27mm size. > P/N is 31 35 2 227 365 > > I don't know for a fact that their outside contour fits the M3 mounting > bracket, but since they're rubber it should be close enough. I have a set on > order, so will know next week. > FYI: The outside contour will fit perfectly since they use the same stabilizer support - i.e., the part that the bushing goes into. In fact, that same support is used on E36, E34, E32, E31, E28 M5, E24 635 csi, and all the Z3s. Cheers, Jim E.