E36M3 #914

Monday, February 05, 2001 15:04:35

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: Driving Schools - BMWCCA vs PCA - from Neil Maller
#2. Information needed about RMS products: Stroker engine and SC sys - from AVolin@sah.com
#3. Re: [E36M3] need new URL - from Sue Kraft
#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Driving Schools - BMWCCA vs PCA - from Sean Hester
#5. RE: Manual steering (was Driving Schools; CCA vs PCA vs NASA ) - from M3LTW
#6. Re: [E36M3] BMWCCA schools vs. PCA schools - from Matt Henson
#7. Re: [E36M3] RE: Manual steering (was Driving Schools; CCA vs PCA vs NASA ) - from Sean Hester
#8. RE: Manual steering (was Driving Schools; CCA vs PCA vs NASA ) - from M3LTW
#9. OT: Congrats to our List Mistress Suzy - from Edwards, Robert
#10. Euro-english (OT...humor) - from Chester Wong
#11. Torn Bolts Update - from twisty M3
#12. RE: [E36M3] rotor replacement - from Jim Bassett
#13. [E36M3] Offset/Spacers question - from Jim Bassett

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#1. Re: Driving Schools - BMWCCA vs PCA - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:37:11 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Driving Schools - BMWCCA vs PCA on 2/5/01 11:43 AM, "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> wrote: > the inland empire (spokane) chapter puts me up in a hotel when i > instruct, gives me free admission, and gives me a banquet saturday night too > (free food, students have to pay to come). (i like instructing for them ;-) Interesting. A little back of the envelope math, assuming one instructor for every two students and 2 nights lodging plus the dinner, suggests that this would add $75-100 to the cost of each student's weekend. Maybe more, depending on where the track is. As an instructor that would certainly benefit me - and like Sean I'd be happy to instruct there! But I must say it's not an arrangement that I think is very healthy in a club environment. Neil 96 M3

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#2. Information needed about RMS products:  Stroker engine and SC sys - from AVolin@sah.com
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:38:46 -0700 From: AVolin@sah.com Subject: Information needed about RMS products: Stroker engine and SC sys tem Does anyone have experience with RMS products? I am considering purchasing a used 95 M3 with substantial RMS modifications from a local seller (I am in Denver). I have a Dinan SC now and love it, but this other car seems much different. Does anyone have experience with the reliability, performance, and servicing of RMS products like the stroker engine and SC? Thanks, Andy in Denver

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#3. Re: [E36M3] need new URL - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:28:45 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <skraft1@new.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] need new URL bmwmseries.com will soon be merging with bmw-m.net (the former bmwmpower.com) to form what should be a great source for information on bmw m cars. More details and a formal announcement will be made when the merger is complete. So in answer to your question, the new URL for bmwmseries.com will be bmw-m.net (not sure of the date this will happen, but hopefully it will be soon.) Suzy vincent.a.leo@us.arthurandersen.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:41:15 -0500 > From: vincent.a.leo@us.arthurandersen.com > Subject: need new URL > > I must have not have been paying attention, is there a new address for: > www.bmwmseries.com - I can't get it to launch. > > Vince > 99 M3 > 89 M3 > > *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* > > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you > are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of > the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. > In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by > reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to > Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other > information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my > firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > *************************************************************

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Driving Schools - BMWCCA vs PCA - from Sean Hester
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:23:12 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Driving Schools - BMWCCA vs PCA > > the inland empire (spokane) chapter puts me up in a hotel when i > > instruct, gives me free admission, and gives me a banquet saturday night >too > > (free food, students have to pay to come). (i like instructing for them >;-) > >Interesting. A little back of the envelope math, assuming one instructor >for >every two students and 2 nights lodging plus the dinner, suggests that this >would add $75-100 to the cost of each student's weekend. Maybe more, >depending on where the track is. > >As an instructor that would certainly benefit me - and like Sean I'd be >happy to instruct there! But I must say it's not an arrangement that I >think >is very healthy in a club environment. but... spokane is cheap. the track rental is 1/10th what it costs to rent any other track i've seen. if not for the insurance bill, i could afford to rent that track for a day MYSELF. hotels are like $45 a night. (the hotel gives the club discounts too since they get blocks of rooms) they make the instructors share rooms, so it costs maybe $25 per night for the hotel bill. also. they do 4 groups since track time is huge since you can start at sun up and go until dark (not 10:00 - 4:00 like other tracks) so it's closer to 1 instructor for 4 students. even with all the instructor perks, the student cost is LESS then a similar school in seattle. and wey pay alot less in seattle then when i venture down to california. too bad spokane is so far from everything. otherwise i'd go there all the time. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#5. RE: Manual steering (was Driving Schools; CCA vs PCA vs NASA ) - from M3LTW
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:48:32 -0500 From: "M3LTW" <m3ltw@msn.com> Subject: RE: Manual steering (was Driving Schools; CCA vs PCA vs NASA ) > Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> said: > * Group 2 explanation: My power steering hose blew while I > was parking in > the paddock this morning. AARGH! Bill Arnold, in the next > parking space, cut > the belt and said I could drive it with manual steering. He > convinced me to > drop to Group 2 because "it's better to drive in a slower > group than get > towed from a faster one." Bill usually says, "It'll be fine, > just adapt." > Hmmm...group 2 for me today. > Sure enough, it was hard work in the sweepers (1-1A, 6, 9 and > 10) and was > _very_ hard work in slow corners (2, 3, 4, 7, and 11). My > arms _hurt_ right > now. (Yes, I know the '02 pilots have no sympathy <g>) But > there was _so_ > much more road feedback I'm a little tempted to leave it that > way for a > while. A little tempted. For maybe one event. <g> > > Donna My race car (325is) has its power steering disconnected all the time. After my arms bulked up, I can't go back! The road feel is unsurpassed compared to a stock M3 or 3series! The painful part is negotiating the padock with hot Hoosiers on! To those who have never tried it, you won't believe how well you can "sense" traction. As slip angles increase (decreasing grip), the wheel starts to get much lighter. The really hard part is going through turns with washboard surfaces (like GingerMan), where the bumps create spikes in grip, wanting to jerk the wheel from your hands. I always have to remind/warn friends who take it out for a spin (driving schools), as they are often living a sheltered lifestyle in their M3s! Dan Snyder M3ltw@msn.com too many cars, but only the x5 has power steering!

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#6. Re: [E36M3] BMWCCA schools vs. PCA schools - from Matt Henson
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:49:43 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMWCCA schools vs. PCA schools The Texas PCA DE's are also fairly inexpensive compared to the numbers others have posted. IIRC the standard rate for a 2 day school with the Lonestar Region at TWS is like $175 for the 1st person and $125 for an affiliate member (spouse). It's more at the Motorsport Ranch but still a bargain compared to what others pay. And the Coastal bend is supercheap - like $100 or less, right? I agree about the quality of the instructors here. And I'm just an unbiased student (but a member of the PCA). The only better deal I've seen is the John Eagle Honda Driver's ed, which was like $125/person for 2 days. But then you get a lot of Civics in the way.. Regards, Matt > > The PCA Driver Education events run here in Texas by > the three different > regions all have the same policy -- they don't > charge instructors for their > track time. If you've been paying at other regions, > then the policy must be > left up to the individual regions/chapters. > > For what it is worth, the PCA events here in Texas > are very well run, and > the instructor corps (of which I'm a member, so > somewhat biased) are pretty > darn good. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#7. Re: [E36M3] RE: Manual steering (was Driving Schools; CCA vs PCA vs NASA ) - from Sean Hester
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:01:11 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Manual steering (was Driving Schools; CCA vs PCA vs NASA ) > > Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> said: > > > * Group 2 explanation: My power steering hose blew while I > > was parking in > > the paddock this morning. AARGH! Bill Arnold, in the next > > parking space, cut > > the belt and said I could drive it with manual steering. <SNPI> >My race car (325is) has its power steering disconnected all the time. >After >my arms bulked up, I can't go back! The road feel is unsurpassed compared >to a stock M3 or 3series! The painful part is negotiating the padock with >hot Hoosiers on! (since i'm angineer, not a mechanic) wouldn't it be easy to have the power steering on a switch? something you could turn on and off when you wanted it. (on for slow paddock manuevers, on for 12 hour endurance races where you're more worried about fatigue then that last bit of performance, off for sprint races, etc...) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#8. RE: Manual steering (was Driving Schools; CCA vs PCA vs NASA ) - from M3LTW
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:51:21 -0500 From: "M3LTW" <m3ltw@msn.com> Subject: RE: Manual steering (was Driving Schools; CCA vs PCA vs NASA ) > Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> said: > * Group 2 explanation: My power steering hose blew while I > was parking in > the paddock this morning. AARGH! Bill Arnold, in the next > parking space, cut > the belt and said I could drive it with manual steering. He > convinced me to > drop to Group 2 because "it's better to drive in a slower > group than get > towed from a faster one." Bill usually says, "It'll be fine, > just adapt." > Hmmm...group 2 for me today. > Sure enough, it was hard work in the sweepers (1-1A, 6, 9 and > 10) and was > _very_ hard work in slow corners (2, 3, 4, 7, and 11). My > arms _hurt_ right > now. (Yes, I know the '02 pilots have no sympathy <g>) But > there was _so_ > much more road feedback I'm a little tempted to leave it that > way for a > while. A little tempted. For maybe one event. <g> > > Donna My race car (325is) has its power steering disconnected all the time. After my arms bulked up, I can't go back! The road feel is unsurpassed compared to a stock M3 or 3series! The painful part is negotiating the padock with hot Hoosiers on! To those who have never tried it, you won't believe how well you can "sense" traction. As slip angles increase (decreasing grip), the wheel starts to get much lighter. The really hard part is going through turns with washboard surfaces (like GingerMan), where the bumps create spikes in grip, wanting to jerk the wheel from your hands. I always have to remind/warn friends who take it out for a spin (driving schools), as they are often living a sheltered lifestyle in their M3s! Dan Snyder M3ltw@msn.com too many cars, but only the x5 has power steering!

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#9. OT: Congrats to our List Mistress Suzy - from Edwards, Robert
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:22:10 -0500 From: "Edwards, Robert" <rme@mlis.state.md.us> Subject: OT: Congrats to our List Mistress Suzy Suzy: Just ran across your first review piece for "The Absolute Sound". Congratulations on your new gig. For those of you who may not have heard, Suzy is now a high-end audio reviewer for this journal. Does this mean we can address all our car stereo questions to you now? ;-) Regards, Bob '97 M3/4

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#10. Euro-english (OT...humor) - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:54:09 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Euro-english (OT...humor) Thought you guys might get a kick out of this: The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5 year phase in plan that would be known as "EuroEnglish": In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".. Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favor of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with the "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"'s in the language is disgrasful, and they should go away. By the 4th yar, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yar, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer. ===== __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#11. Torn Bolts Update - from twisty M3
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:57:03 -0800 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Torn Bolts Update As some may recall. I reported last Friday that one of the bolts that holds the anti-sway bar brackets on had torn right off of the frame. I think it just finally got too weak from a mistake I made many, many months ago (I tried to make do something with only one side of the suspension unloaded, causing the bolt to bend slightly). I've gone through 2 broken brackets, and now this. After my car had been at the dealer for 6 hours (I explained how important it was that I get out of there *by* 1 p.m. to get to L.A.), they finally put it on a lift and said "Oh. We can't do anything about that. You'll have to take it to someone who specializes in welding." Anyway, that's just what I did. Saturday morning I found a place that was able to weld it back together and straighten the bolts out. It's not the prettiest looking job but it seems like it should work fine. Anyone who knows welding care to comment on the reliability/strenght of a weld of this type? Apparently, everyone was really impressed that I was able to do such nice damage. ;-) Though I should admit, it doesn't look like the best/strongest design for these bolts (very small flange on part of the bolt that is inside the thin sheet metal). The good thing is that I was expecting to have to shell out close to $200 (having never had anything welded before), but it turned out to cost only $45. Not bad... if it lasts. Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#12. RE: [E36M3] rotor replacement - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:55:02 -0800 From: Jim Bassett <JBassett@mayannetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] rotor replacement > Im thinking of replacing my stock front rotors....Ive done > pads before, so > I'm comfortable with that, but never rotors....How would your rate the > relative difficulty or gotchas attendant with rotor vs pad > replacment? I'm > thinking of possible problems like not having enough room > behind the rotors > to torque the calipur bracket bolts sufficiently, and things > like that. > I'll be doing this in my condo garage on jack stands. thanks. (Just getting caught up on email after a wild weekend at Sears Point - more on that later) Doing the front rotors really isn't much more difficult than doing rotors, if you have the right tools. It helps if you put the whole front end of the car on jack stands, that way you can turn the front wheels lock to lock to get better access to the caliper bracket bolts. The caliper guide bolts are a 7mm hex, torqued to 22 ft-lbs. The caliper bracket bolts are 16mm and torqued to 81 ft-lbs. If you have, or know someone who has a cordless impact gun, get a 16mm impact socket, and you'll make quick work of these bolts :-) The rotor set screw is a 6mm hex, and has a real small torque value - just get it as tight as you can by hand. A light coating of anti-sieze is a good idea, too. Email me if you have any other questions, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - pads, F rotors, and fluid flushed in less than 2 hours, in my garage :-)

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#13. [E36M3] Offset/Spacers question - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:00:01 -0800 From: Jim Bassett <JBassett@mayannetworks.com> Subject: [E36M3] Offset/Spacers question What size wheel? My track wheels, BBS Moda Sports 17X8, are 35mm offset, and fit fine both F & R with no spacers or fender rolling. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - yes, with skinnier track tires than street tires :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Guagenti [mailto:peter@guagenti.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 2:24 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Offset/Spacers question > > > Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:14:25 -0800 > From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> > Subject: Offset/Spacers question > > Is anyone on the list running 35 offset wheels (I think BBS, > SSR, and others > run this offest) with 15mm spacers? Did this fit on front _and_ rear? > > Any advice is appreciated. > > -p > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the > mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >

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