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#1. Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:09:56 -0800 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! Roman, You just lost spark so the engine had a hard time firing the mixture and the battery/alternator drain with the lights on probably dropped the available voltage way below requirements. Sounds like you have developed a dead short in the battery. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roman" <roman@arteuro.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! | Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:43:51 -0800 | From: Roman <roman@arteuro.com> | Subject: Help Needed!!! | | Hi All, | | I had an episode today where my car would not start 200 miles away | from home. AAA came and gave me a jump start and all was ok. Later the AAA | guy and I saw that the battery in my M3 was not taking a charge. He gave me | a second jump and my girlfriend and I were underway with alternator power. | As it got dark I started turning on the lights. First with the | parking lights. As soon as I turned on the main beams, the lights on the | dash came on and the engine seemed to stall. Since I was traveling about | 70mph and in gear, I was not expecting the reaction. I did not put the car | in neutral either. All went back to normal but when I gave gas, the car was | accelerating really badly and even jerky. I pressed the "check" button on | the computer and it said that everything is OK. | I called all over the place while underway to see who had a battery | but all the auto stores were closed. We limped home and I checked the | battery again for water and hooked up girlfriends car to jump start. The | battery would absolutely not take a charge. I could not start the car but I | checked the computer again and it said all is OK. | I'm really freaked out that the car drove the way it did. Could I | have hurt something when I turned on the lights and the car seamed to stall? | Anyone had a similar experience. | | Roman S. | 96 ///M3 | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message. | ************************************************************* | | |
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:11:39 -0800 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! Bora, If the battery developed a short it would take most of the current put out by the alternator, not leaving much for lights and spark! J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bora Akyol" <akyol@akyol.org> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! | Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:52:29 -0800 | From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> | Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! | | Roman | | Shouldn't alternator be powerful enough to provide charge for everything | while the car is running. | | Besides changing the battery, you may want to get your alternator checked as | well. | | Bora | | | > From: Roman <roman@arteuro.com> | > Reply-To: Roman <roman@arteuro.com> | > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:47:29 -0600 | > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> | > Subject: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! | > | > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:43:51 -0800 | > From: Roman <roman@arteuro.com> | > Subject: Help Needed!!! | > | > Hi All, | > | > I had an episode today where my car would not start 200 miles away | > from home. AAA came and gave me a jump start and all was ok. Later the AAA | > guy and I saw that the battery in my M3 was not taking a charge. He gave me | > a second jump and my girlfriend and I were underway with alternator power. | > As it got dark I started turning on the lights. First with the | > parking lights. As soon as I turned on the main beams, the lights on the | > dash came on and the engine seemed to stall. Since I was traveling about | > 70mph and in gear, I was not expecting the reaction. I did not put the car | > in neutral either. All went back to normal but when I gave gas, the car was | > accelerating really badly and even jerky. I pressed the "check" button on | > the computer and it said that everything is OK. | > I called all over the place while underway to see who had a battery | > but all the auto stores were closed. We limped home and I checked the | > battery again for water and hooked up girlfriends car to jump start. The | > battery would absolutely not take a charge. I could not start the car but I | > checked the computer again and it said all is OK. | > I'm really freaked out that the car drove the way it did. Could I | > have hurt something when I turned on the lights and the car seamed to stall? | > Anyone had a similar experience. | > | > Roman S. | > 96 ///M3 | > | > | > ************************************************************* | > List Commands | > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | > | > To issue a command/request to the server: | > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | > subject of the message. | > ************************************************************* | > | > | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message. | ************************************************************* | | |
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#3. EBC Greens - from Ed Tang
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 05:44:35 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> Subject: EBC Greens Peter wrote: "Does anyone have experience with these pads for street/autocross use? I was considering picking up a set of the greens. Any feedback is appreciated. -peterg" Good: Hardly any dust. Bad: Initial bite is horrible. In fact, IMO, they don't seem to bite into the rotors in general. They work but I notice that the stopping distance is a bit longer. I bought a set of stock pads to replace the EBC's when I remove the snow tires. I will not buy the Greens again. Ed Tang 95 Cosmos M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Chrome Door Handle & Lock - from Chris Turrisi
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:37:08 -0500 From: Chris Turrisi <cturrisi@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Chrome Door Handle & Lock At 08:27 PM 2/18/01 -0600, Altezza280TT@cs.com wrote: >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:25:32 EST >From: Altezza280TT@cs.com >Subject: Chrome Door Handle & Lock > >Does anyone know the part # for the chrome door handle and lock? Thanks I don't know about the handle; but here is the part number and cost for the locks: Lock Button Chrome 51-21-8-399-243 and they cost 2.25ea Chris T. 97 M3
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#5. Re: [E36M3] End of an Era - from Rich Gay
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:32:57 -0600 From: "Rich Gay" <rich_gay@linbeck.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] End of an Era on 2/18/01 3:17 PM, MDadgar@handspring.com at MDadgar@handspring.com wrote: > So my '95 M3 is gone. Sold to my brother-in-law on Friday. He's a happy, > happy camper. I just sold mine on Saturday. Wasn't lucky enough to sell it to a family member though... after several weeks and several reductions in price, I ended up trading it in on the new truck. > I had the car a couple of weeks past 5 years. Bought it new with 9 miles on > it. We must have bought at nearly the same time. I got mine in early December 1995. > Some thoughts on E36 M3 ownership: You expressed very eloquently what I want to say. > 1) What an AMAZING car, right out of the box. We're all interested in mods > and upgrades, but the car is so capable in stock form that maybe we should > just think about improving the drivers for a while. You got that right. The E36 M3 is an absolutely fantastic machine. Broke my heart to let it go. It brought me much joy. > 2) The BMW Dealership experience in the SF Bay Area could not suck more. > Don't believe me? Come and try it. Unfortunatately, I still have 2 more > BMW's, so I'm not done with those losers yet. I've been lucky with the dealer I bought from (Autobahn in Fort Worth, TX) and the dealer here in Houston (Advantage, downtown) when we moved here three years ago. In both cases I received great service, prompt attention, no hassles. Once out of warranty I used Bavarian Machine Specialties, they are extremely great. I heartily recommend all three of these establishments! > 3) This car is the one that turned me into a track junkie. If you've not > tried a BMW CCA track school yet, what are you waiting for?!! It's doesn't > get any more fun than this! Ditto for me on this. I've gone from a totally clueless newbie to being completely hooked, and have bought a '87 325is which I'll race in BMW Club Racing in K Prepared, and ITS with SCCA. This year I'll spend over 20 weekends at the track (much to my wife's chagrin). > 4) M-car drivers are the best car people on the planet. Always ready to > help, be it with tools, parts or advice. Absolutely. Between BMW CCA members and the many, many helpful folks on this and other lists, I've learned so much, and received so much help and encouragement. > 5) M3's are pretty reliable for the most part. If you ignore little things > like seatbelt sensors and O2 sensors and stuff. Or my under-warranty > longblock swap, but we won't talk about that. :) Or the crappy shifter (_what_ were they thinking? BMW engineers design absolutely incredible engines and suspensions, and then put crappy, vague, sloppy shifting mechanisms in), or inadequate (for track use) brakes. > The E36 M3 List is a fanastic resource. THANKS to Suzy for all her hard > work. Absolutely! > Even greater thanks to YOU GUYS, for providing the most important part: > CONTENT. It's just some code on a server somewhere without the input of all > the list members. > > I'll see you all at the track! Hopefully we'll meet at the track sometime. I'd love to get out to some of the west coast tracks someday. And ya'll come down to Texas, our Texas World Speedway is one of the great tracks in the country! - Rich
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! - from Carguymb@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:04:02 EST From: Carguymb@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! Lowell, I have to take issue with the "fits best" comment. E36's have factory provision for at least three different battery sizes. While the cars come with a Group 91, a Group 48 size will also fit perfectly using factory mounting points, and no other modification. (There's even provision to fit an even larger battery than a Group 91, should you so desire). I wont argue with you about the factory vs. aftermarket, or whether the $35 for a BMW battery (made by Douglas, as I recall from the one I removed) is better or not. You pays your money and you takes your choice. My choice was a Group 48 with more cold crank amps than the factory battery for about 2/3 the lowest price I found at a dealer for the Group 91. FWIW, Group 48 is the stock size for the Z3, and probably the MZ3, too. I respect your recommendation and desire to keep it stock. This is just another datapoint. Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 In a message dated 2/19/01 1:48:46 AM, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: >...Buy a new battery ASAP. Sounds like all you need. I assume it is the > >original. You got good usage out of it if it lasted 4+ years. I recommend > >going to the dealer and buying the BMW battery. It fits best. I know >some >other guys have bought other batteries. But I did not think the price > >difference was that great. I paid $115 with BMW CCA discount. Cheapest >I >could find was $80 aftermarket. Not worth $35 to me. > >Lowell Seaton >'95 M3
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! - from Matt Henson
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:15:05 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! Speaking of batteries, does anyone know if the low-weight racing batteries (Optima?) fit the M3? My battery is probably 6 years old so I expect to need a new one any month now. I don't really need a ton of CCA's since it doesn't get that cold down here in Texas.. -Matt --- Carguymb@aol.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:04:02 EST > From: Carguymb@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! > > Lowell, > > I have to take issue with the "fits best" comment. > E36's have factory > provision for at least three different battery > sizes. While the cars come > with a Group 91, a Group 48 size will also fit > perfectly using factory > mounting points, and no other modification. > (There's even provision to fit > an even larger battery than a Group 91, should you > so desire). > > I wont argue with you about the factory vs. > aftermarket, or whether the $35 > for a BMW battery (made by Douglas, as I recall from > the one I removed) is > better or not. You pays your money and you takes > your choice. My choice was > a Group 48 with more cold crank amps than the > factory battery for about 2/3 > the lowest price I found at a dealer for the Group > 91. FWIW, Group 48 is the > stock size for the Z3, and probably the MZ3, too. > > I respect your recommendation and desire to keep it > stock. This is just > another datapoint. > > Martin Bullen > '95 M3 > '97 Z3 2.8 > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/01 1:48:46 AM, > e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: > > >...Buy a new battery ASAP. Sounds like all you > need. I assume it is the > > > >original. You got good usage out of it if it > lasted 4+ years. I recommend > > > >going to the dealer and buying the BMW battery. It > fits best. I know > >some > >other guys have bought other batteries. But I did > not think the price > > > >difference was that great. I paid $115 with BMW > CCA discount. Cheapest > >I > >could find was $80 aftermarket. Not worth $35 to > me. > > > >Lowell Seaton > >'95 M3 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:44:28 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! From what I remember being said on the list, the Optima batteries are too tall to fit perfectly in place. So you wouldn't be able to put the tray back into place. It's a real shame....I like the idea of a gel battery so none of the acid leaks anywhere.... Chester --- Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:15:05 -0800 (PST) > From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! > > Speaking of batteries, does anyone know if the > low-weight racing batteries (Optima?) fit the M3? My > battery is probably 6 years old so I expect to need a > new one any month now. I don't really need a ton of > CCA's since it doesn't get that cold down here in > Texas.. > -Matt ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! - from Skip Bogard
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:33:44 -0500 From: Skip Bogard <Skip.Bogard@ALUMni.DUKE.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! > While the cars come with a Group 91, a Group 48 size will also fit perfectly > using factory mounting points, and no other modification. (There's even > provision to fit an even larger battery than a Group 91, should you so desire). Are you confused with your Z3...did it come with a group 91 ? Because I know your '95 M3 came from the factory with a group 92. I wrote this two years ago: ___________________________________________________ posted by Skip B. in 1999: The problem is, the BMW battery is a special group just for BMW... it is a BCI GROUP Number 92, 12 V 650 CCA, 75 Ah 340A DIN, 130RC. It is BMW P/N 61-21-8-353-651, dealer list about $125. Douglas technicians in Winston-Salem, NC affectionately call it a 48 1/2 group battery. Why? Well... A Douglas 49 battery will not fit a M3. A Douglas Group 48 will, but it is smaller.. 625 CCA at zero degrees (800 CCA at 32). An Exide Group 49 has been reported to fit barely...Nascar Select P/N 49-84N 750 CCA. The Exide is about $80 at K-Mart. If it makes you feel any better, I DROVE to Winston-Salem, NC where Douglas is and bought a Group 92 (aka 48 1/2) from their factory store (a blemish) for $80. This was my BEST deal I could get on a Douglas of the right size. I got a small added feature over the BWM one--a "green eye" for the electrolyte condition...I was told they were returns from BMW-Greenville,SC 'cause they were slightly taller than stock and wouldn't fit the Z3. Oops! They had a lot of 'em. They do fit the M3, with a little less room to turn a clamp wrench. And you might wonder, how did I jump from 90 range numbers to 40 range numbers? Well, a 48 interchanges with a 91, and 49 interchanges with 93. A Douglas 48/91 is 11 x 6 7/8" x 6 7/8". A 49/93 is 15 x 6 7/8" x 6 7/8"...again too big for the M3, but an Exide 49 reportedly is not 15" long. FYI, the stock BMW battery dimensions are 7" W x 12 1/4" L at the very base lip, and 6 1/2" x 11 3/4" width/length overall. It is 7" high, but a slightly higher battery will fit (as well as slightly longer, but not 15" worth!) Batteries are shipped separately from its acid in proper containers. A plastic car battery case is not a proper shipping container for sulfuric acid. And, the chemicals have to be properly marked for fire dept personnel (so they don't get hurt when putting out a fire on a shipping vehicle). You know :"DANGER - ACID" in big letters. Point is, you can't buy a car battery via mail order, so don't try. _________________ Note also that in my story, I now have a Z3 battery in my M3 that I bought from Douglas battery in Winston-Salem, NC! However, it was one the BMW Spartanburg factory rejected...I was told they were too tall. My tool tray/battery cover barely snaps down with it in...it's so tall. - Skip Carguymb@aol.com wrote: > > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:04:02 EST > From: Carguymb@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! > > Lowell, > > I have to take issue with the "fits best" comment. E36's have factory > provision for at least three different battery sizes. While the cars come > with a Group 91, a Group 48 size will also fit perfectly using factory > mounting points, and no other modification. (There's even provision to fit > an even larger battery than a Group 91, should you so desire). > > I wont argue with you about the factory vs. aftermarket, or whether the $35 > for a BMW battery (made by Douglas, as I recall from the one I removed) is > better or not. You pays your money and you takes your choice. My choice was > a Group 48 with more cold crank amps than the factory battery for about 2/3 > the lowest price I found at a dealer for the Group 91. FWIW, Group 48 is the > stock size for the Z3, and probably the MZ3, too. > > I respect your recommendation and desire to keep it stock. This is just > another datapoint. > > Martin Bullen > '95 M3 > '97 Z3 2.8 > > In a message dated 2/19/01 1:48:46 AM, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: > > >...Buy a new battery ASAP. Sounds like all you need. I assume it is the > > > >original. You got good usage out of it if it lasted 4+ years. I recommend > > > >going to the dealer and buying the BMW battery. It fits best. I know > >some > >other guys have bought other batteries. But I did not think the price > > > >difference was that great. I paid $115 with BMW CCA discount. Cheapest > >I > >could find was $80 aftermarket. Not worth $35 to me. > > > >Lowell Seaton > >'95 M3 > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > *************************************************************
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! - from Fadeev, Alex
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:47:09 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <alex.fadeev@verizon.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Help Needed!!! Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] wrote: > > From what I remember being said on the list, the Optima > batteries are too tall to fit perfectly in place. So you > wouldn't be able to put the tray back into place. It's > a real shame.... Chester, Optima fit just fine into my wife's 328i. It is indeed taller and shorter then OEM, but the height did _not_ prevent the plastic battery tray from locking in place. You would have to either drill and tap another hole for the battery clamp to accommodate the shorter Optima or use a 1x4" metal plate as a lever to extend the clamp's reach. Visually, our E36 battery trays are identical (328i and M3) so I would say Optima will fit the M3 just fine. I will find out for sure one of these days when she is not looking ;-) > I like the idea of a gel battery so none of the acid leaks > anywhere.... I liked it because it is 10-15 lbs lighter then stock. Zero maintenance and longer life span for the same $135 are added benefits. alex f > --- Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Speaking of batteries, does anyone know if the > > low-weight racing batteries (Optima?) fit the M3? My > > battery is probably 6 years old so I expect to need a > > new one any month now. I don't really need a ton of > > CCA's since it doesn't get that cold down here in > > Texas.. > > -Matt >