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#1. RE: [E36M3] Insurance for Driving Schools - from Tom Tice
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:52:27 -0500 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Insurance for Driving Schools I don't think it's quite as subjective as the picture Sean paints but he's not far off. His point about Agents not being an authority is certainly true. Many states have policies that exclude coverage for "competitive" events. This is the case in my state, North Carolina. While that would appear to be clear cut it certainly leaves some room for interpretation. Anything has room for interpretation, just ask a lawyer? Is a Driving School a competitive event? We try our best to advertise them as non-competitive and run them in a non-competitive fashion for that (and a host of other safety related issues) very reason. For example, Timing is strongly discouraged as it would certainly build a reasonable case for the insurance company's side. In any event, back to the subjective nature of this question. My brother is a State Farm agent (and my agent). After many discussions, he will not concede that I officially have coverage at driver schools even though it is a non-competitive event (by his own definition). Regardless of his opinion, State Farm has paid out significant claims on two of HIS policy holders for track accidents. I don't know the specifics of their rate increases but they were certainly not cancelled. In reality most of us track junkies have multiple high premium cars that provide a pretty steady stream of income to the insurance industry. Furthermore, the insurance companies will typically do nearly anything to avoid going to court - the lawyers cost them as much or more than they do you or I. Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '99 540/6 > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Hester [mailto:seanh_race@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:14 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance for Driving Schools > > > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:12:20 -0800 > From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance for Driving Schools > > > > i think the real answer is that agents have no idea. they don't decide > claims, adjusters do. and adjusters don't have 100% fixed, set in stone, > guidelines either. if you have an accident at a driver school > weather they > give you any money will depend on who your claims adjuster is, what mood > he's in that day, how much foot stomping you do and a whole bunch > of other > things. > > even if you "take them to court" these kinds of cases are often > decided by a > jury or a judge. and if my mom sits on that jury she's gonna vote "don't > pay him if he crashed at a race track". while i'd vote the other > way. same > story with judges. some will side with you, some against. > >
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#2. E30 14" rim - from Jim Powell
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:55:06 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: E30 14" rim Thanks to all who were looking for me. A local friend in San Diego had a brand new one in his garage attic. Heidi has her glass slipper replaced. Jim
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#3. P-Car - from Jim Powell
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:58:39 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: P-Car Before the mail about my web page starts.... I canceled the order for the P-Car. I accumulated the money in the stock market by being judicious. I decided to use Excel and current market conditions to make my decision rather than my gonads. So all of you people out there start blowing big wads of cash and get the market heated up again. I really wanted that car. :) Jim
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Track Tires on Staggered Wheels? - from Tom Tice
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:16:34 -0500 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Track Tires on Staggered Wheels? Really, I'm somewhat surprised at the use of the 245/45s. These are 0.7 inches greater diameter. I would have thought that would have caused some sort of rubbing issues as well as concerns about the rim being too narrow. The Tire Rack was very concerned when I suggested that size for street tires - their concern was rubbing. I'm worried that this stresses the sidewall and will cause premature failure - on track is the last place I want to deal with this! How long have you driven on that tire/rim combo? Do you have any suspension mods? I will likely add some decamber plates soon and wonder if that will cause additional problems with this combination? Anyone else run 245/45/17s on their cars, even with street tires? Any of you physics wizards want to suggest how much of a hit you will take on acceleration? Its less than 3% larger. FWIW, my previous experience in E30 land was consistent with yours i.e. moving from 205/50/15 to 225/50/15 provided significantly more grip and I never noticed the reduced acceleration - auto-X may be the exception. TIA, Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '99 540/6 > > Tim, > > I have a 97 M3/4 with the 7.5/8.5 inch wheels. > I have run the 225/45 Kumhos, but I found that > the 245/45 Kumho has more grip that the 225, so > I run the 245's all the way around. They actually > fit fine on the 7.5" wheels, the sidewalls don't look > bulged. I know someone who even runs the 255/40 > Kumho on the 7.5" wheel. > > I do belive the Kumho will be the faster tire for > autocross/track use. > > Chris Teague > 97 M3/4 > > >
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#5. Re: Track Tires on Staggered Wheels? - from Vern Anderson
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:21:09 -0500 From: Vern Anderson <VAnderson@IVW.com> Subject: Re: Track Tires on Staggered Wheels? Tom, I have run through two sets of 235/40/17 Yoko AO32R's on 17x7.5's (all around) on my 98 M3/2. I have had no problems and nothing but great things to say about that setup. The 235/40 AO32R's fit just fine on the 7.5 inch rims. I wouldn't want to run them on a 7.0 inch rim or smaller, but the 7.5 is fine. From what I've seen at the track, the 235/40 is also fine on an 8.5 inch rim. I have no experience with the Kumho's, but I love the Yoko's on the track. Not very fast, but just a fun, durable tire that has good feel. FWIW, I think a 225, especially a track tire (which always seem to be a wee bit wider than a comparable street tire of the same size) would be fine on an 8.5 inch rim. Just speculation. But don't be afraid to use 235/40/17's all around. I've seen more than a few people use that setup with staggered wheels. I use 7.5's all around because I run lots of camber and I like to rotate my tires based on wear. Good luck! Vern Anderson 98 M3/2 -------------------- 5 -------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:45:48 -0500 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: Track Tires on Staggered Wheels? I am contemplating ordering new track tires and have a question for the group. Does anyone have experience with either the Kuhmo Victoracer in a 225/45/17 or the Yoko 032 in a 235/40/17 on the stock (1998) Contour II wheels which are staggered 7.5 inch front and 8.5 inch in the rear? I am concerned about the 8.5 inch rims being too wide for a 225 on the Kuhmos and the 7.5 inch rim not being wide enough on the 235 Yokos. Any experience, thoughts or concerns would be appreciated. Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '99 540/6
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#6. Re[2]: [E36M3] Helmet suggestions? - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:56:48 -0500 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re[2]: [E36M3] Helmet suggestions? >>Sorry for the odd question, I've never purchased a helmet before and I've >>got my first driver's school coming up in April. I'm wondering if there are >>any disadvantages to buying a motorcycle helmet to use with my car at >>driver's schools as well as on the bike (if I ever get around to buying a >>bike!) What are the inherent differences between helmets used for autos and >>motorcycles? Helmets aren't cheap, if I can get away with only buying one, >>I'd be a happy camper ;) > i've heard that motorcycle helmets were made differently then car helmets > becuase of the different kinds of collisions you're likely to encounter on a > motorcycle then in a car. (falling and dragging your head, vs having your > head bang off a steering wheel or roll cage bar. > car helmets are also fire resistant while motorcycle helmets aren't. > so... to "as safe as possible" it would be better to have one for each use. > second choice would be to buy one of the car ones (for the fire > protection) and double it for motorcycle use. last choice is to use a > motorcycle helmet for car racing. (some organizations won't even allow > this, but most do) Last difference that I'm aware of between car helmets and motorcycle helmets is that bike helmets are required to have a fairly broad field of vision, whereas car helmets have no restrictions / minimum in that regard. Andrej '97 M3
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#7. Ft. Worth National Tour - from Chris Gant
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:55:32 -0600 From: "Chris Gant" <cgant@home.com> Subject: Ft. Worth National Tour Is anyone on the list going to the Solo II in Ft. Worth in April? I sure hope I'm not the only one doing battle with the Vette's at this thing. I have gone the last 2 years and most of the M3's were running the stock class so I was hoping there would be a few BSP drivers this time around. It would also be nice to finally meet some fellow listers. Also, FWIW....just got in my race wheels/tires this last friday. SSR Competition 17x9 Hoosier A3S03 245/40 35lbs. each Dont' know how accurate my scale is but they were 5lbs. lighter than the SSR Integral with 245/40 BFG R1A's that I ran last year. Chris 95 M3 BSP Ok City
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#8. OBC Curiosity - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:57:30 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: OBC Curiosity OK, I told you I wasn't an electrical engineer. I've been using my M3 for commuting the last 4 months since the demise of my beater car. My gas mileage or "consumption" according to the OBC varies. I usually get 23.5 or 23.8 or 23.3 MPG. But I also see 24.2, 24.0, 23.1, 22.8, 22.6 MPG, and lower :-) My current reading is 18.6 MPG! [I romped on her today! Seemed like half the people were off work today ;-) ] My question is why do I get 23.1, 23.3, or 23.5 MPG but never any of the intermediate values? It will be steady at 23.3 MPG for miles then suddenly jump to 23.5 MPG And it can't just be the even number decimal places are not used because I get 24.2 and 22.6 MPG readings. I know. What in the world am I doing staring at my OBC?? <grin> You need something to do when you are trapped in this maddening Dallas traffic putting along at 25 mph average speed day after day after day...... Just curious, Lowell Seaton '95 M3 Dallas, Texas
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#9. FS:BBS RC's for m3 - from ClassiGuy3@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:07:54 EST From: ClassiGuy3@aol.com Subject: FS:BBS RC's for m3 Set of 4 polished 18 ''BBS RC"S in mint cond. with 235 35 R18 tires michelin pilots. less than 2k miles. must clean out garage! make offer. Leo
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#10. Re: [E36M3] OBC Curiosity - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:09:19 -0800 From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OBC Curiosity Lowell OBC Consumption numbers are averaged, this may be the reason why they change in certain increments (that and the fact that OBC may be doing fixed point arithmetic). Does anyone know what chip they use in the FPU. Bora > From: LoweSeaton@aol.com > Reply-To: LoweSeaton@aol.com > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:03:33 -0600 > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: [E36M3] OBC Curiosity > > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:57:30 EST > From: LoweSeaton@aol.com > Subject: OBC Curiosity > > OK, I told you I wasn't an electrical engineer. I've been using my M3 for > commuting the last 4 months since the demise of my beater car. My gas > mileage or "consumption" according to the OBC varies. I usually get 23.5 or > 23.8 or 23.3 MPG. But I also see 24.2, 24.0, 23.1, 22.8, 22.6 MPG, and lower > :-) My current reading is 18.6 MPG! [I romped on her today! Seemed like > half the people were off work today ;-) ] > > My question is why do I get 23.1, 23.3, or 23.5 MPG but never any of the > intermediate values? It will be steady at 23.3 MPG for miles then suddenly > jump to 23.5 MPG And it can't just be the even number decimal places are not > used because I get 24.2 and 22.6 MPG readings. > > I know. What in the world am I doing staring at my OBC?? <grin> You need > something to do when you are trapped in this maddening Dallas traffic putting > along at 25 mph average speed day after day after day...... > > Just curious, > > Lowell Seaton > '95 M3 > Dallas, Texas > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#11. Re: [uuc] E30 14" rim - from jay
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:18:19 -1000 From: jay <jguzman@hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [uuc] E30 14" rim hey everyone...a really cool thing (i think so) to do with old/bent rims would be to mount them on the wall and use them to hold stuff...air hoses, water hoses, extension cords, etc...it'd show you're resourceful, innovative, cant throw junk away and too cheap to buy a hose holder...and it'd be REALLY cool if you have a 17-18" BMW rim with the roundel center cap...just a thought... Jim Powell wrote: > Thanks to all who were looking for me. A local friend in San Diego had > a brand new one in his garage attic. Heidi has her glass slipper > replaced. > > Jim