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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: MORE E46 M3 parts and feature comparisons - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:46:27 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: MORE E46 M3 parts and feature comparisons >just curious, but what is it about miatas that everyone loves so much? is >it the 8 second 0-60 or the 16 second 1/4....speed does play some part in >being a sports car doesnt it??? you've must have never driven one. and i mean "driven" like through some twisty roads or on a track. speed matters some i suppose. but think about it. the miata is faster then just about any "sports car" that was around when the word "sports car" was invented. you're quoting drag racing numbers, that doens't really play into what a sports car is. if you want to make a word that means "a car that has good drag numbers" then feel free. but don't use "sports car" that's already reserved for "a small, light, fun to drive car". heck. it used to mean a CHEAP, small, light, and fun to drive car. it's already been watered down to remove the cheap part. don't take away small and light too. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: 36,000 check-up - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:51:02 -0800 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 36,000 check-up Thanks Jonny, I'm glad you responded. I thought I was landing pretty hard! Almost broke my landing gear. In 1960 I bought the first Sunbeam Alpine in the SF Bay Area. At the first service interval, back to the dealer. After picking up the car, I discovered the tech had spilled a large quantity of oil down the vent in front of the windshield. The next day my brakes locked up and overheated - adjusted too tight. The next day I almost lost a wheel -- lug nuts not tightened. The car had ran very rough for several days, and when I checked the carburetor balance (there were two Stromberg downdrafts) I found them way out of balance. Well, I must say I have been a bit cautious about dealer service ever since. I owned Lotuses for 30 years. No way would I have let a dealer touch those finicky cars! Anyway, I congratulate you for being a conscientious mechanic. I wish you worked near my home! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Caldito" <jonnym3@hotmail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:53 AM Subject: [E36M3] Re: 36,000 check-up | Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:46:00 -0500 | From: "Jonathan Caldito" <jonnym3@hotmail.com> | Subject: Re: 36,000 check-up | | ***I'm going to risk a flame war!!!!!!! I think the routine checkups | recommended by the factory are a bunch of genuine crap! It is just a sly | way to get you back into the dealership so they can find little things to | scare you with if you don't have them fix it! The tech who inspects your | car is the most junior trainee in the shop. Almost everything on their list | are things you can do yourself with a good flashlite and a good eye! The | price for this is outrageous.*** | | I think you did start a war. I am a Level 1 BMW Tech and I am really | offended by what you said. Every vehicle that I get, E36, E38, E39, E53, and | E46 I check on every part of the vehicle that needs attention. I RECOMMEND | parts or fluids that need to be changed or anything that is driver saftely | related. | | I already got my balls busted a few times for not checking belts, coolent, | brake fluid whatever. And you know what? I do this for free (Non inspection | services, or whenever the vehicle is in) | If a customer goes to the service dept. for an inspection 2 or 36,000 mile | check up (which I have never heard) then he will get one... a DAMN GOOD ONE! | True that there are butcher mechanics out there and I am not one of them. I | have morals. You don't know what its like in the field so you can't say | stuff like that. | | I think its better off if I see power steering fluid leaking, cords showing | on tires, or crack belts and not say a single thing to the customer so he | can come back with the vehicle towed back to shop and him busting my ass for | not telling him. | | I make a RECOMMENDED list of things that requires attention. If the customer | doesn't want to buy it or will come back later.. fine. Thats his/her | decision and nothing I can do about it. | | I can't take another insult like this. If more come, then I'm out. | | Jonathan Caldito | BMW Level 1 Technician | _________________________________________________________________ | Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message. | ************************************************************* | | |
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#3. Re: [E36M3] ] Re: 36,000 check-up - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:00:50 -0800 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] ] Re: 36,000 check-up Paul, Thanks for helping pull me back down to reality! Of course there are GOOD results from inspections, and there are GOOD inspections, too, and there are Good dealers too. As I said in another reply, I am a bit gun-shy of dealer services. I just was venting. I hate people like me who stereotype others. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 4:53 AM Subject: [E36M3] ] Re: 36,000 check-up | Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:45:25 -0500 | From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> | Subject: ] Re: 36,000 check-up | | Joe, | | >>!!!!!!! I think the routine checkups | recommended by the factory are a bunch of genuine crap! It is just a sly | way to get you back into the dealership so they can find little things to | scare you with if you don't have them fix it! << | | I'm going to take it easy on you cause your a fellow Dinan | traveler...HOWEVER, what you say is only partially true...During my last | service, the tech noticed a leaking power steering pump....They ordered a | new one, gave me a loaner car, and installed it, all completely free of | charge...Do I consider the srvc a waste of time? I think not. There are | things which are easier to catch when the car is up on the lift. | | During the 36K mile srvc warranty, what you say certainly doesnt apply, so | you must be referring to those services which come either after that, or | after the new car warranty....BUT, many people routinely part with their | cars shortly after these periods, so that BMW dealers would never get the | benefit of what you suggest... | | Of course for those who keep their cars for longer duration, what you say | does have some truth...But, I dont think its quite so black and white. | _____________________ | Paul Elliott | '99 Alpine White M3 <25000 mi Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage | II Supercharger; Stygar Short Shift kit and Clutch Stop; Skaggs Pedals; | X-brace; Sound by Kenwood Excelon, Polk, JL Audio | | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message. | ************************************************************* | | |
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#4. RE: Smoker's M3 - from Joe Tan
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:10:21 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Smoker's M3 I took my ashtray out the first day I had my car, If you want it I'll sell it to you for $20 + shipping. Joe. ----------- Hey all, I've recently started smoking again and noticed to my great dismay, that my M3 doesn't have an ashtray (I thought this was a European car...) Are all M3's that way? Anybody out there with a coupe and an ashtray in the center console. Was this an option? Is there a way to retrofit an ash tray somewhere? Where would you fit it? Juan. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: MORE E46 M3 parts and feature comparisons - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:15:01 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: MORE E46 M3 parts and feature comparisons > > just curious, but what is it about miatas that everyone loves so much? >is > > it the 8 second 0-60 or the 16 second 1/4....speed does play some part >in > > being a sports car doesnt it??? > > > >I suppose your right, it doesn't have a particular interesting motor or >anything, but I am totally amazed at those little buggers. 'cause they >just *SCHOOL* us at autocrosses. Its not even close. They make me feel >like I'm driving a UPS truck... what are you saying??!?! it doesn't matter if a miata can actually traverse a (not straight) section of road faster then an M3. the M3 can go 0-60 in under 6 seconds man! and it has 240 horses!!! (that was sarcasm by the way) i suppose different things matter to different people. at least half the times i leave a SIR track event (maybe 100 drivers) there's 300 drag racers lined up, waiting to get in. so i suppose the people who admire handling and driving dynamics are in the minority compared to the people who want to know how much like a rocket they can make an automobile. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: MORE E46 M3 parts and feature comparisons - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:17:22 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: MORE E46 M3 parts and feature comparisons >On a poor note >it is a rattle trap, doens't have great *feel* and when you drive it and on >city streets you are at the edge of being dead at all times.... Way too >small. > >Mark way to go mark! despite the "on a poor note" introduction, you've pretty much provided the perfect definition of "sports car". at least the one that was used then the term "sports car" was coined. ;-) of course, it doesn't really mean that to most people any more. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Smoker's M3 - from Wen Liew
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:18:58 From: "Wen Liew" <wwliew@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Smoker's M3 >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:29:28 -0800 >From: Juan Rico <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Smoker's M3 > > >I guess the center console with the cupholder and the integrated phone fits >over the ashtray >and covers it? I'll look underneath. Jeez, what to do know? It's either the >cupholder or the ashtray. >But, damn, I like my coffee with a cigarette. Life is so complicated... For a long time, the stubborn German engineers refused to put in cupholders since they believe both hands should be on the steering wheel when driving on the Autobahn. But what do you know, not only did they decided to put them in, but they did coffee-loving and chatty Americans a favor by designing a center console with cupholder and intergrated phone OVER the original useless ashtray! Maybe a cigarette flavored coffee will be Starbucks next flavor du jour, LOL. Either way you look at it, nicotine, caffeine, driving a fast M3 down Malibu Canyon Road to catch some waves can get complicated ;-) 96 M3/2 with 2 cup ejectors and 2 clean ashtrays designed to display BMW's fine burlwood! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Re: 36,000 check-up - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:17:20 -0800 From: Jim Bassett <JBassett@mayannetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 36,000 check-up > In 1960 I bought the first Sunbeam Alpine in the SF Bay Area. [snip] > Well, I must say I have been a bit cautious about > dealer service ever since. and > As I said in another reply, I am > a bit gun-shy > of dealer services. "A bit gun-shy"?? My god man, you're holding a 41-year-grudge against dealer service. I kid (somewhat), but now I know where your rant came from. My 2 (more) cents, Jim Bassett - still boggled by the fact that I wasn't even *alive* for 6 of those 41 years :-) (Note to self: Don't get Joe mad at me :-)) 1998 M3/4 - worst service experience was having a brake pad installed backwards. Scored the h*ll out of the brand-new rotor (needed to replace it). Guess who did it?....ME! :-)
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: MORE E46 M3 parts and feature comparisons - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:33:06 -0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: MORE E46 M3 parts and feature comparisons Once you drive an MG-TC with a FACTORY supercharger...you *KNOW* what the proper definition of a sports car is... Mark From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Reply-To: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: MORE E46 M3 parts and feature comparisons Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:23:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:17:22 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: MORE E46 M3 parts and feature comparisons >On a poor note >it is a rattle trap, doens't have great *feel* and when you drive it and on >city streets you are at the edge of being dead at all times.... Way too >small. > >Mark way to go mark! despite the "on a poor note" introduction, you've pretty much provided the perfect definition of "sports car". at least the one that was used then the term "sports car" was coined. ;-) of course, it doesn't really mean that to most people any more. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: 36,000 check-up - from Jim Powell
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:48:43 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 36,000 check-up Jeeze Joe is O L D. Nothing worse than an old 'Ho. J'A'P Jim Bassett wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:17:20 -0800 > From: Jim Bassett <JBassett@mayannetworks.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 36,000 check-up > > > In 1960 I bought the first Sunbeam Alpine in the SF Bay Area. > > [snip] > > > Well, I must say I have been a bit cautious about > > dealer service ever since. > > and > > > As I said in another reply, I am > > a bit gun-shy > > of dealer services. > > "A bit gun-shy"?? My god man, you're holding a 41-year-grudge against dealer > service. > > I kid (somewhat), but now I know where your rant came from. > > My 2 (more) cents, > Jim Bassett - still boggled by the fact that I wasn't even *alive* for 6 of > those 41 years :-) (Note to self: Don't get Joe mad at me :-)) > 1998 M3/4 - worst service experience was having a brake pad installed > backwards. Scored the h*ll out of the brand-new rotor (needed to replace > it). Guess who did it?....ME! :-) > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > *************************************************************