E36M3 #1059

Thursday, March 15, 2001 00:18:04

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: [E36M3] Why does Ate do this on the M3's brakes? - from Sean Hester
#2. Bedding OEM Pads & Stock rotors - from Jeff Stowe
#3. Re: [E36M3] Why does Ate do this on the M3's brakes? - from Andrew E. Kalman
#4. Thanks-- re extended warranty - from Olin, Jason (NIMH)
#5. Euro M3 springs on '95 - from TiJaWill@aol.com
#6. : questions about RMS Aftercooler Kit - from Paul Elliott
#7. ext warranty - yes, you need to buy it. - from Paul Elliott
#8. Re: [E36M3] a book to put next to the McLaren F1 book on my shelf - from Chester Wong
#9. Re: questions about RMS Aftercooler Kit - from Bill P
#10. Recaro SRD - from Matt Malfa

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Why does Ate do this on the M3's brakes? - from Sean Hester
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:26:08 -0800 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Why does Ate do this on the M3's brakes? >That's an interesting point, though I would counter it with two >observations: 1) BMW's attitude towards its drivers, particularly in >Europe re the M cars, is a bit different from BMWNA, and I'd expect >Euro M3s to often show up for service with well-worn brake pads, and >2) The condition I described will occur at with only 25-50% of the >pad gone. > >Still, it's an interesting point Sean makes, especially with the cash >flow / biz model that BMW has of late. another "problem" with running the pads to the point of being really thin is that the caliper dust boot accordion thingy will pull out of the caliper and necessitate a rebuild. when i commented to my dealer service advisor that the boot would pull out BEFORE the brake sensor would trip he told me he knew. they tell people to replace pads at 50%, and if someone actually trips the sensor, they tell then they need a caliper rebuild. sigh... -------------- i don't have a caliper handy to look at, but i have a pretty good quess as to why you don't need perfect pad holding except when the pads are new. the pads float. and if they are held in place when they are new, they're gonna develop "grooves" and continue to ride there. even as they wear thin and lose their perfect holding from the calipers. they'll "float" to the place they bedded in. even without the calipers holding them there. of course... this raises questions about people like me to put pads woth 40% material on and bed them in. they're not getting that good "hold" for the bedding process, like new pads would. this could be a bad thing... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#2. Bedding OEM Pads & Stock rotors - from Jeff Stowe
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:27:36 -0800 From: Jeff Stowe <jrstowe@pacbell.net> Subject: Bedding OEM Pads & Stock rotors I've been following the discussion on bedding the PF90s. Should anything different be done for a stock set up? The local shop nazi's have siezed my car and will not give me a tech sign off for sears point without new rotors and pads. In the interest of time I went ahead and went with a stock set up (pagid pads and OEM rotors). How should I break these in to ensure peak efficiency by this weekend? thanks jeff

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Why does Ate do this on the M3's brakes? - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:55:17 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Why does Ate do this on the M3's brakes? Re: >i don't have a caliper handy to look at, but i have a pretty good >quess as to why you don't need perfect pad holding except when the >pads are new. > >the pads float. and if they are held in place when they are new, >they're gonna develop "grooves" and continue to ride there. even as >they wear thin and lose their perfect holding from the calipers. >they'll "float" to the place they bedded in. even without the >calipers holding them there. Now THAT is an interesting idea -- you're HOT, Sean! Man, you are HOT! :-) As to the problem with the caliper dust boots extending too far -- I've got that solved quite elegantly, even with totally-worn pads -- but for now, you'll have to search the archives for my solution :-p Gotta go move the LWT -- there's a new M5 coming over for some service ... Regards, -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com

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#4. Thanks-- re extended warranty - from Olin, Jason (NIMH)
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:38:53 -0500 From: "Olin, Jason (NIMH)" <jolin@mail.nih.gov> Subject: Thanks-- re extended warranty Thanks to everyone for your VALUABLE input-- I will be getting an extended warranty ASAP--diamond or better. See? There are great things that come being a part of Suzy's list! Jason M3 Cosmos Black 2-door

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#5. Euro M3 springs on '95 - from TiJaWill@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:44:26 EST From: TiJaWill@aol.com Subject: Euro M3 springs on '95 Anyone have experience with changing the springs on a 95 M3 to the euro M3 version? If so, what shocks were used, and what was the result? Where were the springs purchased? I have reviewed the Mpower tech page, and the UUC page. Thanks, Tim Williams

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#6. : questions about RMS Aftercooler Kit - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:47:39 -0500 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: : questions about RMS Aftercooler Kit Frank, >>Well obviously the title says it all. Is this a worthwhile upgrade for me. I have a dinan supercharged car and im looking for even more power. Im getting a new clutch, flywheel and headers, and im throwing in the EMS gauge pack and UUC short shifter<< How many miles on your M3? Ive been thinking about the RMS aftercooler too, for I think its about the only one out there which is supposed to work with our Dinan SC kits...after all, RMS pretty much copied our kits when they made theirs... What has be a little scared is I've done alot of reading of all the troubles Dinan encountered last summer as they were trying to produce their own intercooler for retrofitting...They ran into so many problems with overheating, that the costs they would have had to endure to relocate major parts of the plumbing would have made the kit cost prohibitive....I trust Steve Dinan when he says if he cant design something to last for 100K miles, he's not interested in marketing it. I doubt Osh Minelian has any engineering skills that Dinan doesnt have access to, and if Steve can make one to work well enough to last the life of the car, well, that makes me a little skeptical. Some will say Dinan's refusal to market the piece is more a signal that it wont fit into their high profit structure, but I have alot of faith in them.....Their suspensions are the best out there, and their sC kit from what I can see is the most trouble free for the most people going. (so long as you have the Vortech, that is!) Since you got your kit, have you found your stock clutch to be starting to slip a little? Mine's still ok during normal driving, but I dont dare race it now, because any kind of stress-shifting will induce some slippage. I've been investigating clutch alternatives and it looks like either the AA kit, or the Sachs sport kit are the 2 best answers. I'm sure either of the 2 Dinan clutch kits is excellent, but they're priced at about twice the market, so its kind of prohibitive. Who's clutch have you been researching? Good luck... _____________________ Paul Elliott '99 Alpine White M3 <30000 mi Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage II Supercharger; Stygar Short Shift kit and Clutch Stop; Skaggs Pedals; X-brace; Sound by Kenwood Excelon, Polk, JL Audio

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#7. ext warranty - yes, you need to buy it. - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:55:06 -0500 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: ext warranty - yes, you need to buy it. George, >>is BUY THE FRICKING WARRANTY unless you made money on Nasdaq in the last 12 months.<< Yea....Thats a good one! Lets not even go there!!! Anyway, since youre a big proponent of ext warranties, how do you feel about them with significantly modified cars? Id kind of written off the idea, because I figured that with my aftermarket excursions, there's no way I'd be able to maintain coverage...Visions of coughing up a couple thou just to find out when it came time to put the pedal to the metal, the company would refuse to put their money where their mouths were clouded my brain. Do you have any feeling one way or the other whether in my case it would make any sense? Thanks. _____________________ Paul Elliott '99 Alpine White M3 <30000 mi Forged M dbl-spokes; Rotex pads; Dinan Stage II Supercharger; Stygar Short Shift kit and Clutch Stop; Skaggs Pedals; X-brace; Sound by Kenwood Excelon, Polk, JL Audio

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#8. Re: [E36M3] a book to put next to the McLaren F1 book on my shelf - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:48:59 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] a book to put next to the McLaren F1 book on my shelf Ha...HA!!! I almost got this book at Ofest's registration last year. I went up to the lady to pick up my packet. She asked for my name and then told me that I won a random drawing of sorts. Behind her were stacks and stacks of those books. Just as she reaches back to get it, a guy comes storming into the place and whispers to the lady....*whisper* *whisper* *whisper* *whisper* *whisper* *whisper* *whisper* *whisper* *whisper* Then I see him pulling a cart out with a bunch of other people in tow. "Sorry sir...there's been a mixup. The bookstore gave us the wrong books to give out. Let me find the right one." The guy and his team were piling all the books like a bunch of rabid animals onto the cart. Instead, I got a low rent pamphlet of sorts....doh! There were, however, many people who had already gotten a hold of the nice hard cover book. Soooo close. Oh well. Chester > Subject: a book to put next to the McLaren F1 book on my shelf > > was looking around at bmw.com adn found this: > > http://www.bmw.com/bmwe/products/m_buch/index.shtml ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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#9. Re: questions about RMS Aftercooler Kit - from Bill P
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:23:50 -0500 From: "Bill P" <casanova@yorkhost.com> Subject: Re: questions about RMS Aftercooler Kit The RMS kit looks pretty cool, however $2500 is a whole lot of loot for it. I have contacted speerco and they sell RMS the core for the unit, my cost approx $200. I bet RMS pays less. Making one yourself or having it made would not be very diffecult. My friend and I are looking into it right now. When we finish I will let you know how much it cost. We think it will be way under $1000. With this unit you could run 8 psi and the car would haul. Also you do not need a MechTech or AA turbo to get 400 HP. AA just repriced the Turbo kit to just shy of $ 9K for OBDI and $10.5K for OBDII. That's a whole lot of money. I do think the MechTech kits cost about half the AA kits. Also the turbo stress the motor and car a whole lot more then the SC. A turbo is semi-reliable and super fast but a SC is very reliable and very fast. My car makes over 410 HP and run only 6 psi (powerdyne) with no intercooler. I can't wait to see it with 8-9 psi and an intercooler, I only guessing 450+ HP. Bill P PS Had a nice clear flat road the other night. Plugged in the G-Tech and made 3 quick runs. 12.97 @ 113.49, 12.89 @ 112.94 and 12.76@ 114.20. I wonder how accurate this thing realy is. I can't wait to take it to a real track and find out. > >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:55:30 -0800 >From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] questions about RMS Aftercooler Kit > >Frank > >Just out of curiousity, why don't you sell the Dinan S/C and get a MechTech >turbo. You should be able to get 400+HP easy. > >Bora > > > From: "F. Graziano" <fgraziano@monmouth.com> > Reply-To: "F. Graziano" <fgraziano@monmouth.com> > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:47:24 -0600 > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: [E36M3] questions about RMS Aftercooler Kit > > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:44:28 -0500 > From: "F. Graziano" <fgraziano@monmouth.com> > Subject: questions about RMS Aftercooler Kit > > > Well obviously the title says it all. Is this a worthwhile upgrade for > me. I have a dinan supercharged car and im looking for even more power. > Im getting a new clutch, flywheel and headers, and im throwing in the > EMS gauge pack and UUC short shifter. Im looking around for more things > to blow my paycheck on and i really like the idea of chargecooling my > car. IS this kit worth the ~2500 bucks??? > will i see the 30-40hp/tq gains they claim. I've never heard of anyone > running htis yet it seems like a great idea i mean imagine running over > 5psi on a turbo without an intercooler.... > Any complaints, regrets etc are obviously welcome. > Thanks, > Frank >

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#10.  Recaro SRD - from Matt Malfa
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:02:38 -0500 From: "Matt Malfa" <matt@shortshifter.com> Subject: <FS> Recaro SRD I've got one (1) Recaro SRD for sale, black avus fabric, with sliders, and TC Kline E36 mounting brackets. Seat was in Bambislayer briefly, but my plans have changed a bit. Don't have any pics yet, but just for reference: http://www.recaro-nao.com/seattechnologies/racingseat/srd.htm (note: the seat I am selling is ALL black, except for the embroidered Recaro logo). The whole package retails for $760 from TC Kline: http://www.tckline.com/OPC/seats.html#anchor4646066 $600 + shipping. - -Matt

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