E36M3 #1081

Wednesday, March 21, 2001 16:37:08

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Fuel Problem - from Todd Ogi
#2. M3 specimin - from Joe Kannookadan
#3. Re: [E36M3] Fuel Problem - from NickG
#4. Fixed (was Door Molding) - from david tow
#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters - from Chester Wong
#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters - from Mark Radelow
#7. OT - First track day at Seattle IR - from Wentz, Don
#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters - from Chester Wong
#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters - from Jim Powell
#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters - from John Van Houten

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#1. Fuel Problem - from Todd Ogi
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:46:47 -0800 From: Todd Ogi <TOgi@etimecapital.com> Subject: Fuel Problem For those of you who frequent the other boards, I apologize for the repetitive message... So I roll into work today and after parking, notice a fuel smell. I haven't driven the car in two days but prior to that I have 80 miles on the current tank, so I'm thinking it can't be the overflow. I check underneath the car, right about on the rear jackpoint on the passenger side and see that the underside is a bit wet. I give it the smell/feel test and sure enough it's gas. Anyone have any input on this? I'm considering taking it into the German Motor Specialists in Sunnyvale because I'm a bit worried about the explosive nature of this problem. They think it might be some seal. Prior to this there have been occasions where I've smelled gas in either the passenger compartment or in the trunk. Thanks for the help. Todd

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#2. M3 specimin - from Joe Kannookadan
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:34:32 -0600 From: "Joe Kannookadan" <joe.kannookadan@sourcelight.com> Subject: M3 specimin A friend sent me this: it's Alpine's E36 M3. http://www.overboost.com/story.asp?id=345 I guess the only real negative (IMO) about it is the relocation of the speedo, etc. but maan. I've thought about painting the impact strips like that; has anyone done this? What kind of paint is needed - good ole' factory paint? --- joe

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Fuel Problem - from NickG
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:35:08 -0500 From: "NickG" <nikog@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fuel Problem Todd, I've had this problem. On my car, the hose connected to the outlet of the fuel pump had come loose. It's real easy to check and fix: 1) Extinguish all cigarettes first!!! 2) remove rear seat bottom (no tools required, just pull straight up at its front edge, directly behind the front seatbacks) 3) using a phillips screwdriver, remove the fuel pump access panel on the passenger's side 4) inspect the top of the fuel pump/sending unit for loose clamps and cracked connectors; fix as necessary On my car, the fuel hose had softened with age, allowing the clamp to lose its grip and begin leaking. Nick > So I roll into work today and after parking, notice a fuel smell. I haven't > driven the car in two days but prior > to that I have 80 miles on the current tank, so I'm thinking it can't be the > overflow. I check underneath the > car, right about on the rear jackpoint on the passenger side and see that > the underside is a bit wet. I give it > the smell/feel test and sure enough it's gas.

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#4. Fixed (was Door Molding) - from david tow
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:17:13 -0800 From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> Subject: Fixed (was Door Molding) Thanks for your help, Jonathan! I've ended up going to B-Line (my local BMW repair specialist) and tried having them fix it for me. To my surprise - the gentleman (whom I've known over the years from my previous repair work) just banged on it with some force, and huala, it's tight again. He's also noticed that the other side was on the way out, and replaced a clip for me. I guess the critical thing is how much force one should apply to knock it in place without making a nice dent. That takes practice. Would I try it myself next time? I might. Oh, he did not charge me anything. Nice shop. Nice people. David Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:51:03 -0500 From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> Subject: Door Molding David, Stick a penny or nickel behind the clip between the molding and the flat white part of the clip. It forces the 2 prong pieces to spread apart, creating more holding force in the little prophylactic thing. I know it's an expensive proceedure, but it's worked for several listers. My inherent cheapness is now becoming famous. I didn't even want to buy a $0.90 piece. Jonathan Evans 95 M3 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:53:48 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters Uh...could someone explain to me how hydraulic lifters are different than the solid ones? I knew that the M3s had hydraulic ones, but I'm unsure what exactly the difference is. I know our cars have cams, lobes, etc. BTW, can't wait until electric inducted lifters trickle down to civilian cars =) Then you can get variable valve timing, modify lift/duration, etc, etc all with a computer. No more broken VANOS! =) TIA, Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:05:21 -0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters Lifters are technically cam followers. The job of the "follower" is to sit between the camshaft lob and the lifter itself. It turns the shape of the lob into the up and down movement of the valve. On a solid follower car the actual piece between the cam and valve is not self-adjusting. Periodically you have to adjust the valvetrain with shims to maintain the proper gap between the camshaft lob and follower. On a hydraulic follower, oil pressure is used to keep the follower pressed against the cam at all times. Thus no adjustment is needed. I dunno if I explained that too well... But that is basically the difference. Mark From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:57:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:53:48 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters Uh...could someone explain to me how hydraulic lifters are different than the solid ones? I knew that the M3s had hydraulic ones, but I'm unsure what exactly the difference is. I know our cars have cams, lobes, etc. BTW, can't wait until electric inducted lifters trickle down to civilian cars =) Then you can get variable valve timing, modify lift/duration, etc, etc all with a computer. No more broken VANOS! =) TIA, Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#7. OT - First track day at Seattle IR - from Wentz, Don
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:09:15 -0800 From: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com> Subject: OT - First track day at Seattle IR Miki, be sure and tell Mike what a great time we had and how much we enjoyed his instruction, he was great! Bummer I had to drive the ti instead of the M3, but still had a ball and enjoyed the track immensely. dw

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:11:48 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters Thanks for the info. I was always under the impression that the cam lobe was in constant contact with the top of the valve and that the valve springs push the valve against the cam to follow it after the "high" part of the lobe spins past. I also thought that when valve float occurs, the valve springs resonate such that they are not able to push the valve against the cam lobe... Hmmmm Chester --- Mark Radelow <radelow@hotmail.com> wrote: > Lifters are technically cam followers. The job of the "follower" is to sit > between the camshaft lob and the lifter itself. It turns the shape of the > lob into the up and down movement of the valve. On a solid follower car the > actual piece between the cam and valve is not self-adjusting. Periodically > you have to adjust the valvetrain with shims to maintain the proper gap > between the camshaft lob and follower. On a hydraulic follower, oil > pressure is used to keep the follower pressed against the cam at all times. > Thus no adjustment is needed. I dunno if I explained that too well... But > that is basically the difference. > > Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters - from Jim Powell
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:23:20 -0800 From: Jim Powell <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters And that, boys in girls, is why Chester is doomed to a life of catastrophic accidents leading to his inevitable confinement to a Yugo wheelchair. :) Jim Cloudy in San Diego so all the jigglies are wearing sweatshirts :( Chester Wong wrote:Thanks for the info. I was always under the impression that the cam lobe was > in constant contact with the top of the valve and that the valve springs push > the valve against the cam to follow it after the "high" part of the lobe spins > past. I also thought that when valve float occurs, the valve springs resonate > such that they are not able to push the valve against the cam lobe... Hmmmm

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters - from John Van Houten
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:28:16 -0600 From: "John Van Houten" <jvanhouten@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Solid Valve Lifters > I also thought that when valve float occurs, the valve springs resonate > such that they are not able to push the valve against the cam lobe... Hmmmm My understanding of valve float is that at high rpms, the spring is not strong enough to move the valve out of the way of the piston before the hit one another, a bad thing. That's why it is so import to really design your all of your valvetrain (followers, springs, cam lift, duration and timing) for high rpm applications--you have to make sure your valves stay out of the way of the pistons ;-) John

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