E36M3 #1094

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#1. How to tell which upgrades I have? - from F. Graziano
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:45:22 -0500
From: "F. Graziano" <fgraziano@monmouth.com>
Subject: How to tell which upgrades I have?


i bought my car with a dinan supercharger kit and all the extras. I was
just wondering if there were any easy signals to look for to see if i
have the Dinan goodies, like fuel injectors, big bore throttle body
etc...=20
Do i need to bust out the vernier calipers or is there a shop i can go
to to find out for sure? I'm in New Jersey BTW, maybe one of you guys
can solve the mystery for me.
Private responses please.
Thanks,
Frank
=20

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#2. RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:55:55 -0500
From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com>
Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels

Seth asks > But who cares.  How many times do you hit a pothole on the
track? 


Come on out to Ohio and enjoy a day or two at Nelson Ledges ;-)

All kidding aside, it is a real patchwork track but fun none the less.

Regards,

Rich

95 M3 - Testing of the SSR's at NL planned again this year.

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#3. Alignment Problem: Camberless M3 - from Steve D'Gerolamo
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:15:31 -0500
From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <steved3@idt.net>
Subject: Alignment Problem: Camberless M3

What type of alignment system did the shop use?  After a recent trade show, 
it appears that Beissbarth has one of the best alignment systems out 
there.  It is quickly becoming the standard for the large German 
OEM's.  The 8 sensor ML4000 is requires no cables and is self 
calibrating.  According to several BMW techs (eg, Mike at Bavarian 
Professionals) it is far more repeatable than the competition.  I'll most 
likely be putting one of these in my new shop.  If anyone ones a Laser 
String and Smart Camber at cost (never used), let me 
know.  Steve  (PS-regardless of what system you have your car aligned on, 
ask that they use "no-mar" wheel clamps.  All of the mfgs offer them but 
not all shops buy them because of cost)




==================================
Steve D'Gerolamo - The Ultimate Garage - Tel 201-262-0412

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Track Wheels - from Michael
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:55:50 -0500
From: "Michael" <mike@strictly-german.com>
Subject: Re: [E36M3] Track Wheels

I have seen a IFG wheel with a spoke that cracked all the way through   It
had been on a car that went off track and did several 360s.  But I was
shocked that the wheel broke and the tire did not blow out nor did any of
the suspension bend with the way folks described the IFGs as being SUPER
strong.  I would have thought it would have bent instead of snapping with it
being forged.

Mike
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From: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net>
To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:46 PM
Subject: [E36M3] E36M3 #1093


> This digest contains the following messages:
>
>   1. Re: track wheels
>          by: Peter Fanning <pfanning@premier1.net>
>   2. RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels
>          by: Dave Spragg <dspragg@mediaone.net>
>   3. RE: [E36M3] K&N dead... ITG sought
>          by: Dave Spragg <dspragg@mediaone.net>
>   4. RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels
>          by: Seth Thomas <porsche993@mindspring.com>
>   5. Re: stiffer engine mounts
>          by: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net>
>   6. Alignment Problem: Camberless M3
>          by: Preston Carey <pcarey@babson.edu>
>   7. Re: [E36M3] Alignment Problem: Camberless M3
>          by: Rich Gay <rich_gay@linbeck.com>
>   8. FS: Lighted shift knob with integrated shift boot.
>          by: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com>
>   9. Re: E46 M3 drive details
>          by: Josh <eurosprt@xmission.com>
>   10. 540/740 HFM part # query
>          by: Fadeev, Alex <alex.fadeev@verizon.com>
>
> --------------------  1  --------------------
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:04:20 -0800
> From: Peter Fanning <pfanning@premier1.net>
> Subject: Re: track wheels
>
> I have and like the IFG's.  You may have seen them on our blue M3/4 at SIR
> or PIR.  They're light, strong and open for cooling.  The draw back is
that
> I've heard they are hard to get now.
>
> The new SSR's may be lighter and easier to get but may not be as
> strong.  However they do have the matching brake dust finish ;-)
>
> Peter Fanning
> '98 M3/4
>
> At 06:56 AM 3/26/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:33:34
> >From: "reed nicholson" <reedthis48@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: track wheels
> >
> >I'm finally gonna get some track wheels and tires for driving schools and
> >lapping days, and I'm looking for input on the wheels.  I'd like strong,
> >lightweight, easy to clean, and not at the upper end of the price scale.
> >The only two I'm aware of like that are the SSR, especially the new
> >Competition, and IFG A5.  Anyone have comments on the relative merits of
> >these two, or have other suggestions?  I'm probably gonna go with an
81/2x17
> >to best fit the 235/40-17 A032R's.
> >
> >Reed/Seattle
>
>
>
> --------------------  2  --------------------
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:24:49 -0500
> From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net>
> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels
>
> What would make you think they might not be as strong?  They might be
> stronger.  It seems to make sense that lighter might be weaker but
comparing
> either of these wheels to a stock 95 M3 Motorsport wheel would make the
> reasoning look a little silly (I mean... I have hit curbs with an SSR and
> seen IFG's hit things at the track that would have made a 95 BMW wheel
into
> an ellipse.  (and yes I have seen 95 wheels bent and did so to one of them
> myself  :) ).
>
> I am not stating that I think the SSR's I own are stronger, only that I
have
> no data to suggest either is stronger... or stronger in a way that will
help
> them take a hit on a race track.  Does anyone have such data, I have never
> even heard of a standardized testing authority for such things.  Given
> that... the SSR's are cheaper and lighter and it's only a matter of style
as
> to which one you prefer if the cost and weight differences are small
enough
> that they don't matter to you.
>
> Dave Spragg
> dave@spragg.com
> Natick, MA
> 99 M3 Sharked
> 92 330is Sharked and Supercharged
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Fanning [mailto:pfanning@premier1.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:07 PM
> To: E36M3
> Subject: [E36M3] Re: track wheels
>
>
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:04:20 -0800
> From: Peter Fanning <pfanning@premier1.net>
> Subject: Re: track wheels
>
> I have and like the IFG's.  You may have seen them on our blue M3/4 at SIR
> or PIR.  They're light, strong and open for cooling.  The draw back is
that
> I've heard they are hard to get now.
>
> The new SSR's may be lighter and easier to get but may not be as
> strong.  However they do have the matching brake dust finish ;-)
>
> Peter Fanning
> '98 M3/4
>
> At 06:56 AM 3/26/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:33:34
> >From: "reed nicholson" <reedthis48@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: track wheels
> >
> >I'm finally gonna get some track wheels and tires for driving schools and
> >lapping days, and I'm looking for input on the wheels.  I'd like strong,
> >lightweight, easy to clean, and not at the upper end of the price scale.
> >The only two I'm aware of like that are the SSR, especially the new
> >Competition, and IFG A5.  Anyone have comments on the relative merits of
> >these two, or have other suggestions?  I'm probably gonna go with an
> 81/2x17
> >to best fit the 235/40-17 A032R's.
> >
> >Reed/Seattle
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:26:27 -0500
> From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net>
> Subject: RE: [E36M3] K&N dead... ITG sought
>
> Thanks to all.  I called and spoke to Randy at Eurosport.  He gave me some
> metric sizes for the VR6 filter they sell and I am going to see if it will
> fit when I do the convertions tonight and go out and double check my
> original measurements on the car.
>
> Dave Spragg
> dave@spragg.com
> Natick, MA
> 99 M3 Sharked
> 92 330is Sharked and Supercharged  (undergoing surgery)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Spragg [mailto:dspragg@mediaone.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:37 PM
> To: E36M3
> Subject: [E36M3] K&N dead... ITG sought
>
>
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:34:02 -0500
> From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net>
> Subject: K&N dead... ITG sought
>
> Hi All,
>
> The K&N on my car is dead.  It's a part that was from an ERT Supercharger
> kit early on.  It's a 7 3/4" long unit that has a 3 5/8" in opening to
slide
> the intake pipe into.  It is a Universal Round Straight Air Filter (in K&N
> terminology from their web site) and has the numbers F035A4 on the flat
edge
> near the hose clamp.  It's a tight fit for length inside the car but it's
> max outside girth (about 4 1/2") is not bad.  I am looking to either have
my
> shop order a replacement, buy one myself, or even better replace it with
an
> ITG that will fit on there.  Anyone know where/who the ITG source is?
>
> Dave Spragg
> dave@spragg.com
> Natick, MA
> 99 M3 Sharked
> 92 330is Sharked and Supercharged (undergoing surgery)
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:42:27 -0500
> From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels
>
> I don't see where you can say that are not as strong.  What would make you
> say that about them?  Yes, you might think your IFGs are better since that
> is what you bought but then I might think my SSRs are better since I spent
> my money on them.  But I can tell you that just because they are lighter
and
> cheaper does not mean they are weaker.  I have seen a set of 15x8
> Revolutions on an E30 take a very hard hit at Road Atlanta before and they
> were okay.  And I think those wheels are both lighter and cheaper than
> either of the ones we are talking about.
>
> But who cares.  How many times do you hit a pothole on the track?  I don't
> think I can remember one time that I have.  So as long as the SSRs are
made
> well, weigh less and can take the stress from the track, which my SSRs
have
> done, and stay true then I will spend my money on the SSRs.
>
>
> Seth Thomas
> www.m3ltw.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------  5  --------------------
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:45:20 -0500
> From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net>
> Subject: Re: stiffer engine mounts
>
> on 3/26/01 12:56 PM, dHoleman@spooze.com wrote:
>
> > Rob was looking for suggestions on stiffer motormounts.  I don't know
about
> > using ones from other models but BMW did make a Group N motorsport mount
that
> > was about 20% firmer than stock.
>
> Around $700 a set as I recall. Ouch.
>
> Neil
> 96 M3
>
>
>
> --------------------  6  --------------------
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:06:02 -0500
> From: "Preston Carey" <pcarey@babson.edu>
> Subject: Alignment Problem: Camberless M3
>
>
> I took my 98 M3/4 (49,993 miles, X brace, UUC shifter,
> Sharked&Intake...thats it) to the dealer to get an alignment done after
> swapping off my snow tires.  I return to pick it up and they ask me if the
> car has been in an accident because they aren't able to get the alignment
> into spec.  Car has never been in an accident, sees a couple of track days
a
> year but nothing exceptional.  Boston roads are pretty bad is the only
other
> thing I can think of.
>
> Anyone make anything from these specs.  Camber is off on all 4 wheels and
> Caster is slightly off on Left Front which puts the Cross Caster out of
> spec.  What would make the camber off on all 4 wheels?
>
> LF Camber -1.1 (spec -2.5->-1.5) Caster 7.6 (spec 6.5->7.5)
> RF Camber -0.8 Caster 6.7
> LR Camber -1.5 (spec -2.9->-2.5)
> RR Camber -2.0
>
> Any help would be much appreciated.  Dealer kind of shrugged when I asked
> them what the problem could be, they are going to take the car back
tomorrow
> to "measure suspension pieces to see if they are in spec".  They are
saying
> that alignment isn't covered under warranty (which is true) but is this an
> alignment issue, or something else?
>
> Regards,
> Preston
>
>
>
> --------------------  7  --------------------
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:32:57 -0600
> From: "Rich Gay" <rich_gay@linbeck.com>
> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Alignment Problem: Camberless M3
>
> on 3/26/01 4:06 PM, Preston Carey at pcarey@babson.edu wrote:
>
> > Any help would be much appreciated.  Dealer kind of shrugged when I
asked
> > them what the problem could be, they are going to take the car back
tomorrow
> > to "measure suspension pieces to see if they are in spec".  They are
saying
> > that alignment isn't covered under warranty (which is true) but is this
an
> > alignment issue, or something else?
>
> Make sure the front shock tower mounts (the part of the body the shock
> assembly is bolted to) isn't deformed. This happens with some E36 cars,
> especially those which are tracked hard or have a lot of exposure to rough
> roads. Happened with my M3.
>
>  - Rich
>
>
>
> --------------------  8  --------------------
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:42:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com>
> Subject: FS: Lighted shift knob with integrated shift boot.
>
> For Sale:
> A lighted Shift Knob with a integrated shift boot for
> sale. Came off a M3. Will fit all BMWs. The shift knob
> and boot are in exellent condition. $90 + shipping.
>
>
>
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> --------------------  9  --------------------
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:12:20 -0700
> From: Josh <eurosprt@xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: E46 M3 drive details
>
> I was doing a little catch up on the email and I saw Rob's post and felt
> compelled to offer just a little counterpoint.
>
>
> At 01:46 PM 3/22/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >--------------------  6  --------------------
> >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:16:12 -0700
> >From: "Rob" <motor@cadvision.com>
> >Subject: E46 M3 drive details
> >
> >     Okay, Gotta' make this quick since I'm running late.   Sooooo, I
drove a
> >Carbon black E46 M3 for half an hour last night. I was not all that
excited
> >about this car as I think it is too heavy, too big and waaaay too full of
> >techno crap and gadgets (power rear windows!?!), and not all that sexy.
>
> This reminds me of every comment that I heard regarding the succession of
> the E30 M3 to the E36 M3.  It is so familiar it is like I am in a time
> warp.  It also reminds a bit of history and a church and a guy named
Galileo.
>
> >Reminds me more of my Supra TT than it does of an E30 M3.
> >Anyway......underneath the car is smoother (areo) than an E36 M3,
according
> >to my mesurements it has 26/22mm sway bars, identical looking brakes that
> >are a bit bigger, alloy F&R control arms, big dia exhaust tubing but the
> >muffler is huge and obviously designed that way just so they con route
the
> >(useless) quad tips.
> >At least it sounds like a real ///M car :)
>
> Let me see......what would be the bigger gimmick
>
> an M badged E36 (325i/328i) with non Motorsport 3.0l or 3.2l motor
>
> or
>
> an E46 M3 with 100 more hp and the genuine article/real deal BMW
Motorsport
> engine complete  with quad tips that just so happen to be part of an
> exhaust system that has 40% less back-pressure than its predecessor.  I
> suggest that we put some cork plugs in the 2 extra (useless) tips and then
> install the motor into your E36 and see how it runs ;-)
>
>
> >  I'd say in between an E36 M3 and
> >an E34 M5 with some 'tick' at idle and a nice deep sound.
> >The steering is WAY too light but the clutch is much better than a 330ci.
> >Shifter is short and direct (one of the best parts of the car) and the
> >interior is typical E46.
> >Okay it is pretty damn fast. It is geared quite short which no doubt adds
to
> >the feeling of quickness but even with 10 miles on the whole car it
flies,
> >can't wait to drive one with 10K miles to see how much faster it is. Even
> >from 2000rpm in 6th it pulls fine. For me this car is all about the
engine,
> >I just love it!!!!
> >  Understeer....oops did I say that :)  Yes she loves to understeer!  I
am
> >notorious for my Stefan Roser driving style (RUF anyone?) and I know how
do
> >drive around understeer but the combo of 225F and 255R tires and that
crazy
> >new ///M diff makes the car want to understeer, although when you are
> >sideways it is quite nice and easy to control. The suspension is actually
> >firmer that I had expected and rides quite stiffly over things, although
the
> >car is way too high, it must be lowered, at least if you want it to look
> >like a real car and not an X5.
>
> A couple o changes to the tires and suspension and understeer goes bye
bye.
> Big deal.  Especially since pretty much every M3 owner will be playing
with
> wheels, tires, and suspension regardless of understeer.
>
>
> >Overall a great car for the masses and a better car than the E36 M3 for
99%
> >of the people. For me the perfect car would be an E36 M3 with the E46 M3
> >motor and diff......and I'd bet it would be as fast or faster than the
E46
> >on any track in the world.  Oh well, long live all ///M cars!
>
> Unfortunately, if we stuck the new M motor and diff into your E36 so long
> as the rear suspension held together you would end up losing to the new
> E46.  Everything in the new E46 is better plain and simple.  We could
argue
> aesthetics all day long, but that is a matter of taste.  We could argue
the
> new car has too many goodies, but all you have to do is not order the
> goodies or unbolt them from the car.  We could even argue technical fact,
> but I think that it would be at the expense of polluting Suzy's list with
> another OT wwf cage match.  Nevertheless, the chassis is stiffer,
stronger,
> and lighter in all the right ways.  The E46 has more potential than the
E36
> because of the chassis innate skeletal and suspension superiority.  The
E46
> M3 convertible has a stiffer chassis than the E36 M3 coupe.  The E46 is
the
> best of BMW's natural Motorsport evolution and I think that history will
> bear it out.  All this being said I have nothing but respect for the US
E36
> M3 even with the limitations in the motor.  It says a lot about BMW's
> abilities when a car like the US E36 M3 with the non-Motorsport engine
> still kicks every one of it's contemporaries collective butts.
>
> Finally, I find it ironic that all of us (or at least everyone I know)
> carried a certain amount of jealousy for the Euro spec E36 M3 and made no
> small secret about it to BMW.  And now that we have more than we asked for
> we are still not satisfied.  Oh well, I guess come April 15th when I take
> delivery of my new E46 M3 I will just have to suffer the agony/pain of E46
> M3 ownership ;-).
>
> My 02 cents,
>
>
>
> Josh MacMurray
> Eurosport
>
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>
>
>
> --------------------  10  --------------------
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:31:27 -0600
> From: "Fadeev, Alex" <alex.fadeev@verizon.com>
> Subject: 540/740 HFM part # query
>
> Folks,
> I am looking to pick up a used 540/740 (93-98?) HFM to minimize the cost
of
> a euroHFM upgrade. Searching the archives I came across the following part
> #: 13-621-702-078. One of the Roundel advertising junk yards claim to have
> just what I want, but under a different part number: *-280-217-800.
> Is either one correct?
> So far the difference between a new euroHFM (#13-621-403-123) and used
> 540/740 units is around $200. That's about a Hoosier tire and a 1/4, so
> every little bit helps.
>
> TIA,
> alex
>
>
>
>
>
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Sorry - from Michael
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:56:52 -0500
From: "Michael" <mike@strictly-german.com>
Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sorry

Sorry folks, did not mean to send the whole digest back

Mike

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#6. Re: [E36M3] E46 M3 Test Drive - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:07:12 EST
From: Mdriver13@aol.com
Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 M3 Test Drive

In a message dated 3/26/01 12:47:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
hatrak@ix.netcom.com writes: 




Anyway....another dealership is going to get a demo car in the next two 
weeks.  I'll drive that one as well and report any new findings. 




Rob, 
Looking forward to the test drive experience soon as well.  I too will
keep 
testing until the V8 version comes to market ;-))  I suppose the M5 will
need 
to have a V10 for market differentiation <g>. 

Bob Gill 
97 ///M3 coupe 
Philly Region SCCA 
AS Champion 1997 & 2000 
#13 BSP 2001

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#7. RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels - from Peter Fanning
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:15:16 -0800
From: Peter Fanning <pfanning@premier1.net>
Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels

I know the IFG's are a one piece hot forged wheel.  I don't know if the 
SSR's are fully forged or part forged or only kinda forged.  There are 
several BBS wheels where one part is forged, the other is not.  Please 
refer to my "may".

Peter Fanning

At 04:24 PM 3/26/2001 -0500, Dave Spragg wrote:
>What would make you think they might not be as strong?  They might be
>stronger.

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#8. RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:26:16 -0500
From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels

If it makes you feel better about the wheels mine stood up to Roebling Road
in Savannah.  Very fun track with a lot of patchwork in the carousel.  Don't
worry about your wheels as they can stand up to the change in pavement ;)

Seth Thomas
www.m3ltw.com
www.m3power.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dorffer, Rich [mailto:RDORFFER@CleIndians.com]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:57 PM
To: E36M3
Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels


Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:55:55 -0500
From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com>
Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels

Seth asks > But who cares.  How many times do you hit a pothole on the
track?


Come on out to Ohio and enjoy a day or two at Nelson Ledges ;-)

All kidding aside, it is a real patchwork track but fun none the less.

Regards,

Rich

95 M3 - Testing of the SSR's at NL planned again this year.


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#9. E46 M3 Test Drive #2 - from Robert S. Hatrak II
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:32:36 -0800
From: "Robert S. Hatrak II" <hatrak@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: E46 M3 Test Drive #2

I just got back from doing it again with a different car.

I take back what my first impression of the power was.  The car is simply a
rocket - it just masks the speed extremely well.  I had a buddy driving my
M3 next to the new one on the test drive.  Buh Bye E36 M3 under all
acceleration tests.

Oh boy.....I wish I left well enough alone after the first drive.  : (

Rob

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#10. RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 Test Drive - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:41:07 -0500
From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 Test Drive

Guys,

I am going to have to agree with what Josh said about the E46 M3.  I think
this is going to be a great car that will be faster and better than its
predecessor.  That is exactly what everybody's car on this list is to the
E30 M3.  And you guys remember all the grief this car we all say is so
great(E36) got when it came out and was compared to the best M car
ever(E30).

Plus do you all remember how much we all complained about not having a real
M motor.  It really sucked that the Europeans got to enjoy those 6-great
throttle bodied motors.  Now we get it and all you can say is that it is
comparable to a crappy single throttle bodied US motor.  Wrong answer in my
book.  What are we comparing here.  Sounds to me like we are comparing the
one thing that we all say is for the Camaro and Mustang crowd, straight line
acceleration.  Well yes the cars are going to feel the same.  We are only
talking about a few tenths of a second difference in the acceleration
figures of the two cars.  But now lets get the cars on a racetrack and now
we are talking seconds difference.  That is a big difference in our so
beloved belief in road racing.  Lets not all become hypocrites here and
complain about the very thing that we have wanted for years.  Let me tell
you that a stock Euro motored E36 or E46 M3 will spank any stock US motored
M3.  That is what we need to keep in mind.  If you want to compare a
modified US M3 then think how great the new E46 will be when all these mods
start coming out for it.  Remember to keep this apples to apples.

Do I look forward to getting my E46 M3?  Hell yes!!!!!!!!  How do I think it
will compare to my Euro-motored M3LTW?  I think they will be very comparable
but I think the E46 will have the edge as it is a bettered engineered car.
Remember BMW keeps building upon what they learned with the previous
version.  That is why our E36s are a lot better than a E30.   Maybe they
don't have the so called fun factor but I will be sure wave at you all when
I pass you in my E46 while you are having fun in your E36.

I apologize for this rant but I think we all need to keep things in
perspective here.

Seth Thomas
www.m3ltw.com
www.m3power.com

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