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#1. Re: E46 M3 drive details - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:16:26 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: E46 M3 drive details on 3/26/01 6:46 PM, Josh <eurosprt@xmission.com> wrote: > Nevertheless, the chassis is stiffer, stronger, and lighter in all the right > ways. The E46 has more potential than the E36 because of the chassis innate > skeletal and suspension superiority. I was up at Tire Rack recently picking up some new track tires and talking to a friend who works there. As part of their tire testing they have relays of drivers flogging cars around a test track with different tire/wheel combos. He said that the E46 chassis still feels solid as new at the end of one of these test sessions, where the E36 starts to get loose and rattling. > Oh well, I guess come April 15th when I take delivery of my new E46 M3 I will > just have to suffer the agony/pain of E46 M3 ownership ;-). > > Josh MacMurray > Eurosport Oh Josh, I feel your pain! Neil 96 M3
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#2. E46 M3 Test Drive - from Lew Becker
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:17:54 -0800 From: "Lew Becker" <lmbeckercfls@earthlink.net> Subject: E46 M3 Test Drive Thanks to Rob (and Jon) for passing on his impressions; this sort of feedback is much more meaningful for me personally when its coming from an experienced E36 M3 owner. At present, I can't see jumping into the E46 M car when the 8 is almost certainly coming; although, I'm not too keen about the mini M5 (i.e. bigger/heavier) syndrome under any circumstances (can you say Mercedes Benz -- AMG's cars always had power, along with mass). At present, I agree that a supercharger or Eurosport/JC cam kit may be the most sensible course (at least for me). Lew Becker
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#3. Religious E46 M3 Experience - from Milotaks1@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:17:59 EST From: Milotaks1@aol.com Subject: Religious E46 M3 Experience So the word on the street is that there is a light blue E46 at Vista, the local BMW dealership. This is the only one they got and this is South Florida we are dealing with. I charge up the old video camera and head down hoping to get my hand on it because I know a few guys over there. When I get there I hear it is already sold. (Big Surprise) I do a walk around and up comes my buddy who is 18 years old. I figure he is there for the same reasons I am, but I learn quickly that he just finished signing the papers for it. A 18 YEAR OLD WITH THE ONLY M3 IN FT LAUDERDALE. I don't know how he did it or who he had to kill but I am so jealous. I don't know if he knows how lucky he is but I am going to make it my goal to let him know every day. What I would give . . . . . Milo 95 M3 - M3 are like fine wine, they get better with age (maybe not but I still love my M)
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#4. Re: Track Wheels - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:36:35 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Track Wheels on 3/26/01 9:56 PM, Peter Fanning <pfanning@premier1.net> wrote: > I don't know if the SSR's are fully forged or part forged or only kinda > forged. There are several BBS wheels where one part is forged, the other is > not. Please refer to my "may". > Peter Fanning Here's what the Tire Rack web site says about it: "In a specialized process perfected by Alumax, uniquely structured alloy billets are heated to a semi solid state (the consistency of soft butter) and molded in a specifically engineered forging press. Through an exclusive contract with Alumax, SSR has further developed this technology and is the only manufacturer in the world today producing Semi-Solid Forged alloy wheels. This ultra high tech forging technology creates a very strong and light weight wheel ideal for street or track." The object of forging (either hot or cold) is to develop a grain structure in the metal which adds to its strength. Cast products have no such grain structure, as the liquid metal solidifies randomly. It's impossible to say how strong the SSR wheels may be. Only experience will tell. Having handled one while at tire Rack recently, I can tell you that they are phenomenally light, and beautifully finished. Neil 96 M3
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#5. my m3 is better than the e46 M3 - from Jay Guzman
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:56:33 -1000 From: Jay Guzman <jguzman@hawaii.edu> Subject: my m3 is better than the e46 M3 i'll give you the truth right now...my E36 M3 is better than any E46 M3...is it mods, no...is it the color, no...still guessing? well, i'll tell you...its because i already have the E36 M3 and cant afford to trade in my car and buy an E46 M3...lets face it...the E46 M3 is coming and we no longer have the "better" 3-series... jay- sucking on sour grapes and secretly longing for an E46 M3 or an E39 M5 or even an E30 M3... :)
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#6. Rear-view mirror mount removal - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:16:28 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Rear-view mirror mount removal Anybody know how to remove the disc-shaped thingy that's glued to the inside of the windshield? Turns out that it wasn't attached in the right orientation when the windshield was replaced, and I'd like to fix that. Thansk, -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Alignment Problem: Camberless M3 - from Matt Henson
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:38:32 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Alignment Problem: Camberless M3 -1.0 of camber up front isn't unusual. I thought the spec was supposed to be around -1.5->0.8? I think you're okay. If you want more up front then add some shims, a crash bolt or get plates. -Matt --- Preston Carey <pcarey@babson.edu> wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:06:02 -0500 > From: "Preston Carey" <pcarey@babson.edu> > Subject: Alignment Problem: Camberless M3 > > > I took my 98 M3/4 (49,993 miles, X brace, UUC > shifter, > Sharked&Intake...thats it) to the dealer to get an > alignment done after > swapping off my snow tires. I return to pick it up > and they ask me if the > car has been in an accident because they aren't able > to get the alignment > into spec. Car has never been in an accident, sees > a couple of track days a > year but nothing exceptional. Boston roads are > pretty bad is the only other > thing I can think of. > > Anyone make anything from these specs. Camber is > off on all 4 wheels and > Caster is slightly off on Left Front which puts the > Cross Caster out of > spec. What would make the camber off on all 4 > wheels? > > LF Camber -1.1 (spec -2.5->-1.5) Caster 7.6 (spec > 6.5->7.5) > RF Camber -0.8 Caster 6.7 > LR Camber -1.5 (spec -2.9->-2.5) > RR Camber -2.0 > > Any help would be much appreciated. Dealer kind of > shrugged when I asked > them what the problem could be, they are going to > take the car back tomorrow > to "measure suspension pieces to see if they are in > spec". They are saying > that alignment isn't covered under warranty (which > is true) but is this an > alignment issue, or something else? > > Regards, > Preston > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text
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#8. Re: [E36M3] my m3 is better than the e46 M3 - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:08:52 -0800 From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] my m3 is better than the e46 M3 This may be bad to say, but I found my dream car and it ain't an E46 M3. It is a Porsche 911 GT2 and it retails for $176K if you could get one. I certainly can't. In the meantime, I just love my E36 M3 and will hopefully get an E46 M3 to fill the space next to it in the garage sometime in the next two years. Bora On Monday, March 26, 2001, at 07:56 PM, Jay Guzman wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:56:33 -1000 > From: Jay Guzman <jguzman@hawaii.edu> > Subject: my m3 is better than the e46 M3 > > i'll give you the truth right now...my E36 M3 is better than any E46 > M3...is it > mods, no...is it the color, no...still guessing? well, i'll tell > you...its > because i already have the E36 M3 and cant afford to trade in my car > and buy an > E46 M3...lets face it...the E46 M3 is coming and we no longer have the > "better" > 3-series... > > jay- sucking on sour grapes and secretly longing for an E46 M3 or an > E39 M5 or > even an E30 M3... :) > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Alignment Problem: Camberless M3 - from Rex Tener
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:08:41 -0800 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Alignment Problem: Camberless M3 At 04:06 PM 3/26/2001 -0600, Preston Carey wrote: >Anyone make anything from these specs. Camber is off on all 4 wheels and >Caster is slightly off on Left Front which puts the Cross Caster out of >spec. What would make the camber off on all 4 wheels? > >LF Camber -1.1 (spec -2.5->-1.5) Caster 7.6 (spec 6.5->7.5) >RF Camber -0.8 Caster 6.7 >LR Camber -1.5 (spec -2.9->-2.5) >RR Camber -2.0 > >Any help would be much appreciated. Hi Preston, Their alignment specification looks way off!!! If I could get 2.5 degrees of negative camber in the front of a stock M3, then I would still be racing mine. A stock '95 M3 should be able to get .8 to .9 degrees of negative camber in the front. A '96+ m3 should be able to get .6 to .8 degrees of negative camber in the front. My street alignment with a full tank of gas and 160 lbs in the driver's seat is .8 degrees negative camber front and 1.1 degrees negative camber in the rear. My race alignment with a 1/4 tank of gas, 160 lbs in the driver's seat, and BMW crash bolts in the front struts, is 1.3 degrees negative camber in the front and 1.8 degrees negative camber in the rear. It sounds like you need to take it to a real alignment shop in your area. I hope that helps. -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com 1995 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo II A-Stock #173 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels - from Dave Spragg
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:58:36 -0500 From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels Please don't take offense, I was not flaming... if I did I am sorry as I didn't mean too. Saying they "may" be stronger comes across as if one think they are more likely stronger than not. With changing technology comes changing specs... there may well be something out there better than one piece hot forged... there may be 50 different kinds of hot forging techniques with one of them being 10 times stronger than the next. Who knows. Without a test or some decent data one can't draw a conclusion. Folks are posting about various experiences and what they have seen as well. That still is not enough data for me... same hit might have done in any wheel. Fact is that most of them are good enough that they are fine or we are too small a market for an independent testing body to form and be worth while or something like that. If the IFG and SSR were the same price and weight I would probably go IFG since they would look cooler on my black car. I like to hear what has broken and how though... it's kinda fun to read. :) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fanning [mailto:pfanning@premier1.net] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 9:17 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:15:16 -0800 From: Peter Fanning <pfanning@premier1.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: track wheels I know the IFG's are a one piece hot forged wheel. I don't know if the SSR's are fully forged or part forged or only kinda forged. There are several BBS wheels where one part is forged, the other is not. Please refer to my "may". Peter Fanning At 04:24 PM 3/26/2001 -0500, Dave Spragg wrote: >What would make you think they might not be as strong? They might be >stronger. ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************