E36M3 #1107

Thursday, March 29, 2001 08:51:22

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: rear shock tower brace - part 2 - from Bryan Watts
#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: camber bolts and rubbing problems - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
#3. Re: [E36M3] 3.0 vs. 3.2 and sedan vs. coupe - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: rear shock tower brace - part 2 - from Joe Dyer
#5. Re: [E36M3] engine fan removal solution - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
#6. Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Strut Replacements? - from Rex Tener
#7. RE: [E36M3] 3.0 vs. 3.2 and sedan vs. coupe - from Dave Spragg
#8. Re: [E36M3] 3.0 vs. 3.2 and sedan vs. coupe - from John Van Houten
#9. RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 Market Adjustments - from Dave Spragg
#10. Tranny grind / hard shifting? - from Rob Verenna

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#1. Re: rear shock tower brace - part 2 - from Bryan Watts
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:10:03 -0500 From: "Bryan Watts" <wattba02@wfu.edu> Subject: Re: rear shock tower brace - part 2 Joe wrote: > But Bob --- YOU advertise in your signature that you are AS!!!!! With regards to Bob's signature: > | Bob Gill > | 97 ///M3 coupe > | Philly Region SCCA > | AS Champion 1997 & 2000 > | #13 BSP 2001 Hey Joe. Bob advertises that he was Philly Region AS champion in 1997 & 2000. However, if you care to look at the next line, you'll see that he lists his car as BSP for 2001. -Bryan Watts

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: camber bolts and rubbing problems - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:36:33 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: camber bolts and rubbing problems I've tried both the BMW stock and crash bolts. I'm curious about these mystery eccentric bolts. Please do report back your results when you get them. They could be a neat little way to vary the camber. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 Magnus writes: I'll keep you posted about the results (and origin) of the eccentric bolts when I get them.

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#3. Re: [E36M3] 3.0 vs. 3.2 and sedan vs. coupe - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:59:47 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] 3.0 vs. 3.2 and sedan vs. coupe Seth, welcome to the E36M3 list. I've got a 3.0L (aka '95) M3 with several easy engine mods. It is fairly strong for a 3.0L model, i.e., 231 hp & 222 ft-lb torque measured at the rear wheels. However, I'd recommend the 3.2L. It has so much more torque and hp at 6,000 rpm and below compared to the 3.0L that it will beat the pants off the 3.0L. For 99.8% of the driving you will do (unless you are 100% racing), the 3.2L will be the better engine. Only time 3.0L has an advantage is above about 6,000 rpm. Plus 3.2L is newer model and likely less miles. And Silver is a pretty color. Sedan vs. coupe is really personal. Performance wise, there can't be enough difference to worry about. I wouldn't mind having a 4dr myself. Sounds like a nice car. Most important though is to have fun driving your M3! Lowell Seaton '95 M3/2 Dallas, Texas

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: rear shock tower brace - part 2 - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:07:38 -0800 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: rear shock tower brace - part 2 Yeah! I later caught my mistake! sorry. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Watts" <wattba02@wfu.edu> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:20 PM Subject: [E36M3] Re: rear shock tower brace - part 2 | Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:10:03 -0500 | From: "Bryan Watts" <wattba02@wfu.edu> | Subject: Re: rear shock tower brace - part 2 | | | Joe wrote: | > But Bob --- YOU advertise in your signature that you are AS!!!!! | | With regards to Bob's signature: | > | Bob Gill | > | 97 ///M3 coupe | > | Philly Region SCCA | > | AS Champion 1997 & 2000 | > | #13 BSP 2001 | | Hey Joe. Bob advertises that he was Philly Region AS champion in 1997 & | 2000. However, if you care to look at the next line, you'll see that he | lists his car as BSP for 2001. | | -Bryan Watts | | | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message. | ************************************************************* | | |

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#5. Re: [E36M3] engine fan removal solution - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 03:17:45 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] engine fan removal solution Huh! I learn something every day. I never paid attention to that electric fan in front of the radiator. Silly - I must have thought it was for the A/C. I'll have to take my engine fan off and go for a drive. Anybody ever remove the electric fan? It looks like it blocks more of the radiator than not. Lowell Seaton '95 M3

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Strut Replacements? - from Rex Tener
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:00:12 -0800 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Strut Replacements? At 10:40 PM 3/28/2001 -0600, Tom Tice wrote: >I would like hear from anyone who has Bilsteins and is happy with them for a >compromise car (street & track) and especially with the stock springs. Hi Tom, I have run Bilsteins with stock springs for almost all of the last four years on my '95 M3. In my experience they are an excellent compromise for street and autox. With stocks springs, they aren't too harsh on the street, only a slightly stiffer ride . They do a really good job of keeping the car under control on the autocross course. I was really worried about the ride on the street when I got them several years ago, but discovered after I got them that the ride was actual better than a Boxster with the M030 suspension option. IMHO, if I could only make one modification to an M3, then it would be shocks. The stock shocks are underdamped when new and the Bilstiens totally transform the car. This is how the car should have come from the factory. When you are ready to get the last 5% out of the car on the track/autocross, get some Koni DA's, they take the car to the next level over the Bilstiens (in performance and price). -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com 1995 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo II A-Stock #173 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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#7. RE: [E36M3] 3.0 vs. 3.2 and sedan vs. coupe - from Dave Spragg
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:16:39 -0500 From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 3.0 vs. 3.2 and sedan vs. coupe Not too mention that even if you disagree with Lowell on the torque with regards to the two engines you can not deny that the 3.15 rear end in the 95 makes it less punchy around town. On the other hand if you do a lot of highway driving the 95 rear end is nicer as it runs lower rpms... and at the 80-85mph I usually cruise at the difference is noticeable and desirable. I have never driven a 95 with a 96+ diff, it would be interesting though as this may be a good part of the perceived difference between the two cars. Dave Spragg dave@spragg.com Natick, MA 99 M3 Sharked 92 330is Sharked and Supercharged (undergoing surgery) -----Original Message----- From: LoweSeaton@aol.com [mailto:LoweSeaton@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 3:00 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] 3.0 vs. 3.2 and sedan vs. coupe Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:59:47 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] 3.0 vs. 3.2 and sedan vs. coupe Seth, welcome to the E36M3 list. I've got a 3.0L (aka '95) M3 with several easy engine mods. It is fairly strong for a 3.0L model, i.e., 231 hp & 222 ft-lb torque measured at the rear wheels. However, I'd recommend the 3.2L. It has so much more torque and hp at 6,000 rpm and below compared to the 3.0L that it will beat the pants off the 3.0L. For 99.8% of the driving you will do (unless you are 100% racing), the 3.2L will be the better engine. Only time 3.0L has an advantage is above about 6,000 rpm. Plus 3.2L is newer model and likely less miles. And Silver is a pretty color. Sedan vs. coupe is really personal. Performance wise, there can't be enough difference to worry about. I wouldn't mind having a 4dr myself. Sounds like a nice car. Most important though is to have fun driving your M3! Lowell Seaton '95 M3/2 Dallas, Texas ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************

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#8. Re: [E36M3] 3.0 vs. 3.2 and sedan vs. coupe - from John Van Houten
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:18:51 -0600 From: "John Van Houten" <jvanhouten@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 3.0 vs. 3.2 and sedan vs. coupe As the owner of both a modified (slightly ;-) 95 M3 and a 97 M3/4, they are both great cars. The driving you intend to do should impact your decision. I've had the 95 for about a year and a half and the 97 since August. For around town driving, especially in the city, i.e., stop and go traffic in Chicago, etc., the 97 is much easier to drive because of the extra torque. The four doors are really nice when you want to take more than one other person with you. It also is in much better shape and is our city car. For any track work (I've driven both on the track) the 95 is the winner, even making an engine to engine comparison. I feel the 3.0 revs much better, especially in the 4500-6700 range you will be in at the track--the 3.2 feels a little choked up. This is probably due 95 has the relatively inexpensive chip/hfm/intake upgrade that helps this significantly and the large intake plenum on the 95s. I love both of the cars, but for daily driving, go with the 4 door 3.2. If you're a track junkie, or one in waiting, go with the 95. The 95's have tanked in price and have more engine mods available, so there is an advantage there. On the other hand, we got a great deal on a CPO silver 97 M3/4 and love it for around town with the comfort of another 50K miles of warranty until 10/03. HTH, John 95 M3 - Ice9 - Injured, DMod on the horizon??? 97 M3/4 - Hers - daily driver www.jvanhouten.com/bmw

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#9. RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 Market Adjustments - from Dave Spragg
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:27:38 -0500 From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 Market Adjustments Sure could be the case but let me tell you one thing my dealer does that may surprise you, it surprised me. Your car is considered a high mileage car! Even for a 95. This shocked me but the price difference on the market (according to them) of a 95 M3 with 20K miles compared to a 50K mile one is a very large difference. This is what they are able to sell them for so it's customer driven, not dealer imposed. Wild huh? As for the rest of your thoughts I think they sound pretty right on too me . And... if you want I have a supercharger that I am removing to sell. It's GREAT on the street but not really designed for the track which is where the car lives now. Anyone want to see it running perfectly in the car before I pull it out. It's a 95 motor and man is this thing fast. :) Dave -----Original Message----- From: LoweSeaton@aol.com [mailto:LoweSeaton@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:51 AM To: dspragg@mediaone.net; e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 M3 Market Adjustments This might happen. But since it is a totally new body style, the older style loses value fast. I felt the same way with my '95 M3. The '95's didn't lose a lot of resale value for a couple three years since the '95 looked the same as the new models. In fact, some of the early model '95 M3's might have even gone up in value. Remember BMW priced the M3 at $34,800 at first? I don't know if any cars ever sold for this price. Almost immediately the list price went up to $35,800. And by the end of the '95 model year the list price was $37,950. But '95 M3's are dropping in price fast now - I know :( Friday I may stop by the dealer to look at the new M3 and ask what my 50K mile '95 M3 would get for trade in. I expect the dealer to quote me about $14K trade in. Don't think I will be trading. Someday if I get jealous of the new E46M3, I may turbocharge my E36M3. That would give me about the same hp as the E46 for a lot less than the $40K difference between the E46 and my trade in. I still like the body style of the E36. I'll keep her. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 It makes me happy though as once this sinks in I think my 99 M3 (which may be sold to purchase a tow vehicle for my track obsession) will soon have greater value.

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#10. Tranny grind / hard shifting? - from Rob Verenna
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:44:11 -0500 From: Rob Verenna <rob@willraceforbeer.com> Subject: Tranny grind / hard shifting? I think this has been covered before but I can't find anything on it in the archives. My '95 M3 5-speed grinds when I shift it into third gear (and only third gear). This used to only occur when the car was cold; after the fluids warmed up things were fine. Well, it got worse with the cold weather so I had the dealer "service" the transmission when I had it in for an oil change a few months ago. They said they did a drain & fill of the tranny fluid and that I was about a pint low on fluid. The car has mostly sat since then but I drove the car for a while today and even after a significant warm-up period, 3rd still grinds if I don't baby the shift. It seems worse than before I let the dealer touch it. Any suggestions? I seem to remember others having a similar problem and a drain and fill with Redline (?) ATF (?) was the answer? Any advice is appreciated! - rob

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