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#1. How to keep wheels from "freezing" to hub? - from Steve Lilley
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:36:58 -0400 From: Steve Lilley <m3steve@earthlink.net> Subject: How to keep wheels from "freezing" to hub? Is there something you can apply to the wheel or the hub (where the wheel attaches to the car) to keep the wheel from "freezing" to the hub? (Please, no comments about KY or vaseline! I'm serious!) I flushed my brake fluid today, but (by far) the hardest part of the job was breaking free the two wheels which had become permanently attached to the car. It took several minutes of pulling, pushing, banging, and cursing to get those two wheels free. It looks like road salt was the biggest culprit... As usual, any advice is appreciated! Regards, Steve m3steve@earthlink.net ....getting ready for Lime Rock in mid-April...YES!... P.S. Mandatory M3 content: priced out the E46M3 today...$52K plus change on BMWUSA.com. Hmmm, a similarly equipped 330 can be had for about $14K less -- quite a premium for the M. That $14K could be used to justify a bunch of suspension mods, JC intake, exhaust, etc., etc. to the SO. Of course, a 330 is still not an M3, but since I'd end up swapping suspensions on the M3 anyway....ah, nevermind! :-)
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#2. Re: [E36M3] How to keep wheels from "freezing" to hub? - from Bora Akyol
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 17:03:49 -0700 From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to keep wheels from "freezing" to hub? I use anti-seize at points where I see rust formations on the hub, be careful not to get any of that stuff near the lug bolts or the holes for them on the hub. Bora On Sunday, April 1, 2001, at 04:50 PM, Steve Lilley wrote: > Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:36:58 -0400 > From: Steve Lilley <m3steve@earthlink.net> > Subject: How to keep wheels from "freezing" to hub? > > Is there something you can apply to the wheel or the hub (where the > wheel attaches to the car) to keep the wheel from "freezing" to the > hub? (Please, no comments about KY or vaseline! I'm serious!) > > I flushed my brake fluid today, but (by far) the hardest part > of the job was breaking free the two wheels which had become > permanently attached to the car. It took several minutes of > pulling, pushing, banging, and cursing to get those two wheels > free. It looks like road salt was the biggest culprit... > > As usual, any advice is appreciated! > > Regards, > Steve > m3steve@earthlink.net > ...getting ready for Lime Rock in mid-April...YES!... > > P.S. Mandatory M3 content: priced out the E46M3 today...$52K plus > change on BMWUSA.com. Hmmm, a similarly equipped 330 can be had > for about $14K less -- quite a premium for the M. That $14K could > be used to justify a bunch of suspension mods, JC intake, exhaust, > etc., etc. to the SO. Of course, a 330 is still not an M3, but > since I'd end up swapping suspensions on the M3 anyway....ah, > nevermind! :-) > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#3. Re: [E36M3] How to keep wheels from "freezing" to hub? - from Jay
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:19:25 -1000 From: Jay <jguzman@hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to keep wheels from "freezing" to hub? see inserts below Steve Lilley wrote: > Is there something you can apply to the wheel or the hub (where the > wheel attaches to the car) to keep the wheel from "freezing" to the > hub? (Please, no comments about KY or vaseline! I'm serious!) > hey steve, i asked this question a while back myself...the trick is to clean the wheel and hub with a wire brush to get off the dirt and rust that has formed...then use a little anti seize on the wheel and hub...anti seize is available at the local auto parts store for 3-5 bucks...no more stuck wheels!!! > It took several minutes of > pulling, pushing, banging, and cursing to get those two wheels > free. It looks like road salt was the biggest culprit... i did this myself, but a fellow lister (i forget who), reminded me how dangerous this is, especially if the car is up on a jack/jack stands...i wrapped my arms around the wheels and pulled- but imagine if the car came off the stands!!! my arms would have been crushed, or even severed...someone else said the trick was to put the lug bolts back on, finger tightened...then to move the car a few feet forward, this should be enough to loosen the wheel from the hub...of course, usual and legal disclaimers apply :D ...hope that helps...
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice - from Matt Henson
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 17:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice Peter, Which year? '95? Sounds like a water pump? Otherwise a mechanic will have to take a look.. -Matt --- Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> wrote: > Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:12:14 -0700 > From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> > Subject: Overheating Problem - Need Advice > > While I was driving on I-80 last night (at like 2am) > my wife's car started > overheating. I was able to get over to the shoulder > before it finally hit > the red. > > After giving the car a chance to cool, I restarted > her and the water temp > was okay. However, once I started to go again, it > started to overheat. If > the car was at idle it would cool off, if it was at > a driving RPM the temp > would climb. I was able to limp her home by staying > on the gas to get > momentum, then rolling along at idle to let her > cool. > > This is not behaving like any other overheating > issue I have ever had. I > just had the thermostat replaced, as it broke in the > open position. Bill > Arnold did it, so I'm doubtful that it's mechanic > error. > > Does anyone have any idea what could be causing > this? I was hoping to have > at least a general idea before calling a mechanic. > Any advice is > appreciated. > > - peterg > > P.S. As an aside, if there is someone with a tow > vehicle and trailer in the > SF East Bay or North Bay that would be willing to > help me get the car to a > mechanic, I would be very happy to pay for your > time, your gas, and buy you > a beer. You would also have my undying gratitude. > > The tow truck drivers are asking like $75-$150 to > tow the car to my usual > mechanics' and I'm loathe to pay those thieves > anything. Especially when I > called AAA last night and they were going to have me > wait by the side of the > road for an hour and half. > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:54:52 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice Dave, That's the first plausible explanation I've heard for MY overheating problem! I have never experienced overheating off the track, but after about three 20 minute track sessions, I experience sudden overheating. I have consulted with Dinan Engineers and they had no explanation. I even replaced a perfectly good water pump and a thermostat to correct the problem, and it occurred again. I suspect the amount of full throttle acceleration of track runs puts enough added stress on the head gasket that I'm getting hot spots. No problem ever on the street or autocross with my supercharged M3. My car may have had a hard life before I bought it from the Dinan General Manager. At least there's good evidence that it saw tracks (see July 97 R&T). Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 4:30 PM Subject: RE: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice | Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:26:15 -0400 | From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net> | Subject: RE: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice | | On the depressing side it could be a blown head gasket. Check everything | else first but if that fails it could be the head gasket. They can squeeze | out from blown the block and the head even without actually opening up a | passage between the oil inside and the coolant outside. What happens is the | bit that has squeezed out of place blocks enough of the coolant flow that | the car can run at very low work loads like idle but can't handle more than | that because regardless of the health of the pump and such the flow is just | too restricted. In lesser cases it can be the same except that the car will | overheat on the track but run fine at 70 mph on the highway. | | I hope this isn't the case but it happens with track driven 325's, 328's, | and E36 M3's. It happened to 4 cars in two days at a Watkins Glen BMW CCA | event last year. My 330is was one of them. :( | | Dave Spragg | dave@spragg.com | Natick, MA | 99 M3 Sharked | 92 330is Sharked and Supercharged (undergoing surgery) | | | -----Original Message----- | From: Bora Akyol [mailto:akyol@akyol.org] | Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:00 PM | To: E36M3 | Subject: Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice | | | Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:51:03 -0700 | From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> | Subject: Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice | | Pete | | It sounds like you may have one of the following: | | 1) Bad water pump | 2) Blocked radiator | 3) Bad thermostat | 4) Leaking coolant. | | Bora | | On Sunday, April 1, 2001, at 02:20 PM, Peter Guagenti wrote: | | > Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:12:14 -0700 | > From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> | > Subject: Overheating Problem - Need Advice | > | > While I was driving on I-80 last night (at like 2am) my wife's car | > started | > overheating. I was able to get over to the shoulder before it finally | > hit | > the red. | > | > After giving the car a chance to cool, I restarted her and the water | > temp | > was okay. However, once I started to go again, it started to | > overheat. If | > the car was at idle it would cool off, if it was at a driving RPM the | > temp | > would climb. I was able to limp her home by staying on the gas to get | > momentum, then rolling along at idle to let her cool. | > | > This is not behaving like any other overheating issue I have ever | > had. I | > just had the thermostat replaced, as it broke in the open position. | > Bill | > Arnold did it, so I'm doubtful that it's mechanic error. | > | > Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this? I was hoping to | > have | > at least a general idea before calling a mechanic. Any advice is | > appreciated. | > | > - peterg | > | > P.S. As an aside, if there is someone with a tow vehicle and trailer in | > the | > SF East Bay or North Bay that would be willing to help me get the car | > to a | > mechanic, I would be very happy to pay for your time, your gas, and buy | > you | > a beer. You would also have my undying gratitude. | > | > The tow truck drivers are asking like $75-$150 to tow the car to my | > usual | > mechanics' and I'm loathe to pay those thieves anything. Especially | > when I | > called AAA last night and they were going to have me wait by the side | > of the | > road for an hour and half. | > | > | > ************************************************************* | > List Commands | > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | > | > To issue a command/request to the server: | > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | > subject of the message. | > ************************************************************* | > | > | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message. | ************************************************************* | | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message. | ************************************************************* | | |
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice - from Sean Hester
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:14:37 -0700 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice oh my god! de-ja vu!!! it's the first day of the story that pretty much broke my M3 completly. ;-( one day my M3's thermostat broke open. i had it fixed. the next day i had the exact same overheating problem. fine at idle, bad at high rpms. i called the place that fixed it and complained. (it was obviously their faulght right?) well it wasn't their fault. the problem was the water pump. it had broken. but only partly broken. it worked at low rpm. at high rpm, it would slip and not pump water. leading to the overheating. i had the water pump fixed the next day. and everything was fine. (so it seemed) the rest of the story is not so good. the head was warped. (aluminum heads become warped easily, even in small cases like this where the temp only climbs a little bit) but, it wasn't warped enough to notice. this warp led to the gasket finally breaking and the entire top of my engine being re-done. total bill? about $5000. P.S. if your car starts blowing coolant out of the radiator cap, without overheating, then you have a warped head. that's the symptom. if you EVER SEE ONE TINY BIT of coolant coming form the radiator cap, (or find dried coolant on the underside of the hood) get it fixed (new head gasket at least) as soon as possible. DON'T keep driving your car because all the mechanics tell you "it's no problem" until your engine blows up. that's what i did. don't do it. --------------------- i always thought that the thermostat being broken open (causing the water pump to work extra hard?) caused the problem. but everyone dismissed that as "just a coincidence". "sorry you had bad luck". "it doesn't matter that one broke right before the other one". well... it has now happend the exact same way to another car. the odds of the coincidence are diminishing. though i'm sure everyone will still deny any correlation between the two problems. maybe the thromostat being broken open hurts the water pump? maybe it's easy to damage the water pump when you replace a thermostat? (the water pump is right there!!!) i dunno. but two cases of the exact same thing is too wierd to be a coincidence in my opinion. >Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:12:14 -0700 >From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> >Subject: Overheating Problem - Need Advice > >While I was driving on I-80 last night (at like 2am) my wife's car started >overheating. I was able to get over to the shoulder before it finally hit >the red. > >After giving the car a chance to cool, I restarted her and the water temp >was okay. However, once I started to go again, it started to overheat. If >the car was at idle it would cool off, if it was at a driving RPM the temp >would climb. I was able to limp her home by staying on the gas to get >momentum, then rolling along at idle to let her cool. > >This is not behaving like any other overheating issue I have ever had. I >just had the thermostat replaced, as it broke in the open position. Bill >Arnold did it, so I'm doubtful that it's mechanic error. > >Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this? I was hoping to have >at least a general idea before calling a mechanic. Any advice is >appreciated. > >- peterg > >P.S. As an aside, if there is someone with a tow vehicle and trailer in the >SF East Bay or North Bay that would be willing to help me get the car to a >mechanic, I would be very happy to pay for your time, your gas, and buy you >a beer. You would also have my undying gratitude. > >The tow truck drivers are asking like $75-$150 to tow the car to my usual >mechanics' and I'm loathe to pay those thieves anything. Especially when I >called AAA last night and they were going to have me wait by the side of >the >road for an hour and half. > > >************************************************************* >List Commands >UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. >GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > >To issue a command/request to the server: >Send a message with the command you wish executed as the >subject of the message. >************************************************************* > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice - from Sean Hester
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:15:32 -0700 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice >> If >>the car was at idle it would cool off, if it was at a driving RPM the temp >>would climb. > >Could it be that the impeller is slipping on the water pump's shaft? >Or that the exterior belt is slipping? Either way, there'd be enough >grip to move some coolant at idle, but at higher speeds the required >flow just wouldn't be there ... yes that's it. get it fixed before you start the enging again. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice - from Sean Hester
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:20:43 -0700 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice >On the depressing side it could be a blown head gasket. Check everything >else first but if that fails it could be the head gasket. They can squeeze >out from blown the block and the head even without actually opening up a >passage between the oil inside and the coolant outside. What happens is >the >bit that has squeezed out of place blocks enough of the coolant flow that >the car can run at very low work loads like idle but can't handle more than >that because regardless of the health of the pump and such the flow is just >too restricted. In lesser cases it can be the same except that the car >will >overheat on the track but run fine at 70 mph on the highway. > >I hope this isn't the case but it happens with track driven 325's, 328's, >and E36 M3's. It happened to 4 cars in two days at a Watkins Glen BMW CCA >event last year. My 330is was one of them. :( i'm keeping a semi-formal list of these occurances. (head gasket leaking) this has happend to (and pretty much destroyed) the M3s of 34 close friends of mine, and my own M3. i had only heard of 2 other cases, but now i hear of anoth 4 in 2 days. that brings my total to 10. enough for it to make my list of "common thigns to watch out for if you own an M3 (especially if you take it to the track" if anyone else knows of these occurances, can youplease e-mail me (privately or not) so i can keep my list groring. thanks! P.S. this is one of the rumors i heard that was holding up the new M3, (head gasket problems.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice - from Sean Hester
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:28:58 -0700 From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice oh god! get it fixed now!!!!! don't drive again, or at least don't TRACK the car again, until it's fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i've watched this story unfold on 4 M3s in the seattle area. my own, and those of three close friends. it takes about a year to unfold. at first it only happens on really long/hard track sessions when it's hot outside. then it happens on long/hard sessions even in cool weather. then you progress to it happenning on every track session. then you progress to it happenning on long street drives. then every drive. then you buy a new engine (or the top half of a new engine) in the four cases i know of, two M3s were just dumped (traded in), one was half heartedly fixed (new head gasket nothing else) and still has problems, one was fixed well (many many thousands and thousands of dollars) and runs fine for now. get it fixed now!!!!! before it gets worse! or, if you're morally challenged and bitter like myself, get rid of the car now, and buy another one. (M3 or otherwise depending on how bitter you are) noone will notice the problem on a test drive, or compression check, or exaust gas in the coolant test. trust me. noone will notice. joe, dubious congratulations on being #11 on my list of head gasket problem M3s. ;-( >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:54:52 -0700 >From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@home.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice > >Dave, > >That's the first plausible explanation I've heard for MY overheating >problem! I have never experienced overheating off the track, but after >about three 20 minute track sessions, I experience sudden overheating. I >have consulted with Dinan Engineers and they had no explanation. I even >replaced a perfectly good water pump and a thermostat to correct the >problem, and it occurred again. I suspect the amount of full throttle >acceleration of track runs puts enough added stress on the head gasket that >I'm getting hot spots. No problem ever on the street or autocross with my >supercharged M3. My car may have had a hard life before I bought it from >the Dinan General Manager. At least there's good evidence that it saw >tracks (see July 97 R&T). > >Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:35:14 -0700 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Overheating Problem - Need Advice on 4/1/01 7:20 PM, Sean Hester at seanh_race@hotmail.com wrote: > the rest of the story is not so good. the head was warped. (aluminum heads > become warped easily, even in small cases like this where the temp only > climbs a little bit) The car is my wife's, which happens to be a 328i. I didn't think the 328i had an aluminum head, but others on this list can advise. I have seen this happen on other cars, so the moment I started climbing like I did, I pulled off. I didn't let it get near the red again, more like the temp you see an an M in texas ;-) > P.S. if your car starts blowing coolant out of the radiator cap, without > overheating, then you have a warped head. that's the symptom. Thanks for the tip. I'll be very watchful for this kind of thing. > i always thought that the thermostat being broken open (causing the water > pump to work extra hard?) caused the problem. but everyone dismissed that > as "just a coincidence". I agree with you. One thing can't have no effect on the other. I drove with the thermostat open for about 20 miles in traffic to get to the shop to have it repaired. More than enough time to do damage. BTW, before I paid a $5K repair bill on the 328i motor, I'd be dropping that cash on a 3.2L engine from a wreck. ;-) -peterg