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#1. RE: [E36M3] Model Comparisons - from david tow
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:44:48 -0700 From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Model Comparisons Let's just disagree on the matter, since there is no new definition for a sports car. I could use your "golf cart" inference to assume that a truck could be a sports car because it has two seats, and there are races for these types. Yeah, IMO, the current Porsche is a high performance GT. David >From: "DiVincenti, A.J." <ADiVin@lsuhsc.edu> >To: e36m3@bmw-m.net >CC: "'david_tow@hotmail.com'" <david_tow@hotmail.com> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Model Comparisons >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:53:13 -0500 > >We'll have to agree to disagree. IMO your old school definition of a >sports >car doesn't work in today's world. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#2. RE: [E36M3] brake pads for schools - from Tom Tice
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:04:41 -0400 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] brake pads for schools Just to throw out another opinion. PF-90s are great on the track! I did one school in my totally stock '98 M3 with Stock Pads and quickly determined that I wouldn't do that again. I have a fair amount of experience on the track but even a beginner can generate quite a bit of speed in an E36 M3 so pads would be the first thing I would upgrade for track use (PF-90 Front only pads is an acceptable setup IMHO - stock or better on the rear will work fine). It appeared to me that after the stock pads got really hot they just weren't effective at stopping the car - and it only took 2 or 3 good laps to get to that point. I also couldn't live with the dust and squealing of the PF-90s for an everyday driver. It seems that some could live with that but my tolerance isn't quite that high for black wheels and squealing pigs. So I swap them out for track events. I really would like a better street pad with even less dust than the stock pads and a little more bite - does one exist??? Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '99 540/6 > At 04:50 AM 4/4/01, reed nicholson wrote: > >Okay, I don't wanna start a big debate about brake pads again, > but I need > >some advice on the best pads for my needs. I just wanna do > probably 4 or > >5 track days this year, not racing, just driver schools and lapping days > >at an intermediate pace, and I will probably keep the pads on all > >season. The car is my daily driver/commuter. Would I be better > off with > >something like the R4S, rather than the PF-90? > > PF-90 is a great pad for this purpose, IMO (although I've not > tried the R4 > or R4S). > > >I don't need ultimate braking force, just something that will > survive the > >track and not ruin my rotors, but work on the street and not be > incredibly > >noisy. > > Although, based on this criteria, stock pads would the ticket. > :-) See, the > PF-90s don't have rattle clips on the inboard pad, and > anti-squeal compound > burns off after one track session (BTDT). So they will rattle and squeal > like stuck pigs on the street. But the work fine on the street (I tend to > run them for weeks at a time on the street between track events), and > aren't too hard on rotors. > > So 3 out of 4 isn't bad :-)
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Track pad setup question... - from Donna Seeley
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:14:57 -0800 From: Donna Seeley <dseeley@infoasis.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Track pad setup question... Ok, now that we've been thoroughly Hestered I'll chime in. :) Before my last trip to Thill (in the E30), I swapped my front Hawk Blues for KFP Gold (has _anyone_ besides Roger Krause ever used these??) and didn't change the Hawks on the back. So I'm slow - it took me half the day to figure out why braking into 10 and 14 was so squirrelly. The KFPs are very linear and softer than the Hawks. So the rears heated up quickly and were at full braking force while the fronts were only halfway there. Not dangerous but really unpleasant and I never did get the nice balanced feel I'm used to. It might be an extreme example, but be prepared to adjust your braking style at 1, 10 and 14. Donna ------- 88 M3, "Guido," JP #41 95 330isA, super-commuter > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:51:02 -0700 > From: "Sean Hester" <seanh_race@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Track pad setup question... > >> O.k, I just ordered PF90's for the front of my 95 M3 for an upcoming track >> event at Thunderhill. >> >> The rear pads are Porterfield R4's and they are not worn out yet, about 1/2 >> remaining or a bit more. The fronts were R4's and a few days at Laguna Seca >> finished them off. >> >> My question is: Is there any issue with running PF90's in the front and >> R4's >> in the rear? >> >> Granted, it's not perfect- but is it stupid? > > well... i did this once but it was because i could not get matching pads in > time. here's what happened to me. > > becasue of the different bias i got, the rears got hotter then they normally > would have. so i was getting fade when i shouldn't have been. it was fade > in the rear, so it wasn't MUCH fade, but it was enough to notice. but since > i coudl still drive, because the fronts were fine, i kept going, heating up > the rears ever MORE. so i burned out my rears (half pads remaining) in one > day. so i basically wasted those rear pads. and it didn't make the rear > calipers very happy either, getting so overheated, cracking the dust boots > and making me rebuild the rear calipers sooner then i might have. > > if you have the time to get a full set of pf-90s do it. despite the > "initial cost" analysis, you'll probably SAVE money in the end. > > i'd only mismatch them if you had to (like they sent you the wrong pads > friday night, and you NEED to go to the track saturday morning) and if you > DO go with mismatched pads, take it easy. and ifyou get a little fade, let > the brakes cool down becuase you're probably cooking the rears. > > thankfully, t-hill is pretty easy on brakes though, so it'll be better they > trying this a laguna. ;-) > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > >
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#4. Sharked and Intaked!! - from Vern Anderson
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:20:31 -0400 From: Vern Anderson <VAnderson@IVW.com> Subject: Sharked and Intaked!! I successfully installed the Conforti Cold-Air Intake and Sharked the car tonight. Everything was very smooth and I had no major difficulties. Initial impressions are a bit more horsepower, especially above 5000 rpms. We're going to install the exhaust next Wednesday. After I return from Mid-Ohio over Easter weekend (love that track!!), I'll dyno the car on the same dyno as last November and get a good comparison over the stock drivetrain. I know I can at least use the higher rev limiter in a few place at Mid-Ohio, so that will be a big bonus. A side benefit is that the intake sound under full throttle is really cool =:O The only problem I had is the battery charger ended up blowing the center rear brakelight fuse. We didn't have a trickle charger, so we had to use a big battery charger turned down to its lowest setting. Probably my fault for using the big juice box. Vern Anderson 98 M3/2 Coil-overed, Swayed, Rollbarred, Cambered, Braced, Sharked and Intaked Soon to be Exhausted then off to chase P-cars in Ohio....;
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Received the camber adjustment bolts! Pics./Where do they go? - from Chris Teague
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:25:52 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Received the camber adjustment bolts! Pics./Where do they go? Bob, If you put shims in the 2 lower strut bolts to increase camber, then you probably remember the upper bolt, last of the 3 that connect the strut to the hub carrier. It replaces that upper bolt. This is the same location as the BMW "Crash Bolt" that the dealer sells. The crash bolt is just smaller, creating slop allowing camber adjustment. This bolt fills up the slop, but still allows the adjustment. This is what BMW should be selling, and listing in the manual so we can use it in SCCA Stock class. Make sense? Chris 97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:46:14 EDT > From: Mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Received the camber adjustment bolts! Pics. > > Hey...nice pictures, but where do these bolts go? I use the shims for > added > camber, which fit between the lower strut housing attachment points to > the > wheel hub. One washer on each of the two lower bolts gave me about 0.4 > degrees more negative camber. >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Its time for track tires... - from Chris Teague
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:30:50 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Its time for track tires... Chris, I run the stock 7.5" wheels with the 245/45 Kumho's. They are close to the strut in OEM configuration, but I run a 5 mm spacers, and have no rubbing problems at all. It's close in back though. I would recommend the Kumho's. With the 8" wheels, I would go with the 245 Kumho's. Chris Teague 97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Brown" <ChrisB@Drextec.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:19 AM Subject: [E36M3] Its time for track tires... > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:17:14 -0400 > From: "Chris Brown" <ChrisB@Drextec.com> > Subject: Its time for track tires... > > Hi Folks - > > Yes, that season has finally reached us here in the Northeast. So now I need some new track tires. I've got 17x8 TSW wheels to > mount 'em on, but the R1's on those wheels are _very_ beat. I was running 225/40/17's last year, but I'd like to get a little bit > larger if possible. I took a look at Khumo's web site, and the closest I got in the V700 was 225/45/17 ($130 from Tire Rack > uncycled/145 cycled). They also had a 245/45/17 ($135/150), but I'm concerned about rubbing with that size. >
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#7. Re: [E36] M3 Brake Pads - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 03:37:20 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36] M3 Brake Pads Colin, Not to take anything away from autox, but you can't equally compare braking requirements for autox and a driver's school. Hitting the brakes a few times during a 50-100 second autox run is nothing compared to 15-30 hot laps around a race track (20-25 minute session). In fact, in many autox runs you probably won't even heat up a good track pad (like a PF90) enough to really get 100% effectiveness from it. You're probably better off with a good street pad for autox. -rb >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:14:18 -0400 >From: Colin_S_Whelan@rrfc.raytheon.com >Subject: Re: [E36] M3 Brake Pads > >Gruppe, > >I just went through the same decision making process when I replaced my >brake pads and rotors last week. I was looking for a 90% street pad and >10% an autocross pad. After looking into OEM, Pagids, MetalMasters, and >R4-S, I went with the R4-S. They've only be in for ~400 miles, but this is >my initial impression (on Euro M3 rotors): > >1) slightly less cold bite than stock (although my pads are just seating, >so this should improve with time) >2) Improved fade resistance than stock when hot (this may be the rotors >too) >3) much less dust >4) slightly squeaky under very light braking pressure, sometimes > >After the Boston autocross in a few weeks, I'll have more input. > >Thanks, >Colin >'98 M3/2 Sharked, ITG, X-brace, Euro rotors, R4-S _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#8. Re: Handling - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 03:44:43 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Handling Ed, Based on your description of the experience, the only thing I can offer is... Sign up for some driver's schools and learn to properly drive your car before you kill yourself! If you're satisfied with "adequate" driving capabilities, sell your M3 immediately and buy yourself an "adequate" driving appliance. GM has plenty of Pontiacs available. Seriously, just because an M3 has incredible performance capabilities, it doesn't mean that you have the ability to utilize them. If you think that you've gained these abilities by nine months of street driving, you're seriously fooling yourself. Sign up for a school...TODAY! -rb >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:00:28 -0400 >From: "ENF" <enf@iglou.com> >Subject: Handling > >I have had my 97 M3 for almost 9 months now and feel that I know the car >and it's feel and handling adequately. Now before I go on I must say that a >drivers school would open up a whole new paradigm on this subject, but >given the general usage and occasional need to push myself and the car, for >my standard I am comfortable. > > Well that was until today, I was driving home enjoying the nice weather >and came upon my usual on ramp to take me home, today the only difference >was....there was no one around anywhere. So I decided to have some fun. The >Ramp is a gradual incline banking to the left around 90 degrees then >straightening out, nothing major. > >My question is this, into the bank at a pretty good rate of speed (let's >just say above 65) the car seemed to buffet on the tires (not sure how to >describe this in type). There was no tire squall and the car stuck to the >turn without problem. The front end didn't try to turn in and the back end >didn't try to swing around. However it didn't feel like normal tire flex. >What might this be? Car is stock other than X-Brace. Now with the winter >just ending I haven't got to do this for some time and it may have always >been like this, I just don't remember this sort of bouncing feeling in the >corner that I did today. > >Thanks in advance for any responses and suggestions. > >Ed Frank > >97 M3/4 X-Brace _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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#9. Re: [E36M3] G-Cube / ExtremeGeez - from Ron Katona
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:45:03 -0400 From: "Ron Katona" <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] G-Cube / ExtremeGeez I have one and I'm very pleased with it. I use it with a Palm III at the 10 Hz rate and find that's more than adequate. The latest versions have the ability to record up to 25 minutes on a Palm which means multiple laps of short track sessions can be recorded. Here's a screen shot on Photopoint of an autocross run I made in Philly this winter (freezing rain if you're wondering): http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1519434&a=11485873&p=40524824. The data can be played back real time, or stepped forward or backward in 1/10th second increments. The tick marks on this run are set at 1 second. All the views, gauges, charts, and graphs are customizable and can show an amazing wealth of data. In fact, if anything there's such a great amount of data and various ways to display it that learning to really interpret it all and put it to use is a bit of an art. I wouldn't worry about sampling rates and other technical numbers as much as your willingness to learn the system and apply the lessons learned to your driving. Sort of like buying the fastest car, or going to drivers' schools first. And sometimes the errors you made do just jump out at you without much interpretation. The maps it produces aren't always perfect... but this is a moot point. The real value in the system lies in comparing different segments of different runs and seeing what made you faster and where. You can tweak the maps to look perfect, but it's really not necessary. -- Ron Katona
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#10. Re: Brake Pad for School - from Krit Poonsirivong
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:48:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Krit Poonsirivong <m3bimmer@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Brake Pad for School So what is a proper procedure to bedding in the R4? I check out porterfield website, but it didn't help that much. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, Krit __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/